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Kim
Monday, May 23, 2011, 10:28am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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All the testimonials and the abundance of healthy people from being on this program for years is enough for me.  All of Dr. D's information makes sense and the proof is in the results that come from it.
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As Dr. D said more than once, he wrote books for lay people. He couldn't put the scientific evidence in the books for mass publication. He has all the scientific evidence anyone would like to look at here on the web site and in his text book.  
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The problem with naysayers is that there is usually way too much nay and not enough say.


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A gem. Thanks for posting that Lola!


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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I'm so glad to read this thread.  I deal with this a lot.  I have a friend who is an authority on EVERYTHING!  When I first started the diet, back in October, we had some friends over for dinner, including Mr. Authority.  I made a fully compliant meal, with other foods for people who could not eat what I could eat.  As we sat around the table, I began to describe the basics of the BTD and why I had chosen it.  Mr. Authority told me that he had read everything about the diet and that it was bunk.  There was no scientific evidence and it didn't work.  One of my friends got really upset at him and told him off in my kitchen, which I was unaware of at the time.

He is a big proponent of the Paleo Diet (he is an O).  Of course, as an O, the Paleo Diet would be pretty good for me as well.  However, when I said that not all people descend from the Paleolithic people, that some descend from Neolithic, it actually shut him up.  He had not response to that.  The funny thing is, too, is that the other people around the table thought that the BTD made more sense because it is not a "one size fits all" diet.

Also, I think it is important to understand that diets like the 90 day diet, for example, are only meant to stay on for 90 days.  It is not a lifestyle eating plan that you can follow for the rest of your life.

People are creatures of habit.  I had dinner at friends' house the other night and sat next to a woman I don't know very well.  I told her about some of my food restrictions and my diet, as there were a lot of things laid out for appetizers I could not eat, so I brought my own Manchego cheese and rice crackers to share.  She started telling me all of the stomach problems she has and all the medication she is on and the pain she suffers after eating.  She had too much stomach acid. She has arthritis as well.  I told her that she should figure out her blood type (I assume she is an O) and consider the BTD, as it will help her to eliminate the foods that bother her and be anti-inflammatory as well.  She told me she could never give up coffee or bread.  I told her about tea with caffeine and non-wheat bread, but forget it.  She would rather suffer and be able to eat what she wants to eat.  Who knows, maybe she will get fed up some time in the future and decide to contact me.  You can lead a horse to water . . .

I chose the BTD because I have read so many diet and nutrition books out there.  I still read them and have a stack of them on my nightstand.  However, while I may gain insight and understanding from the other books, to me, the one size fits none approach is best.

Oh, and by the way, Mr. Authority has lost ZERO weight on the Paleo Diet, while I have lost eight pounds and can only probably lose a pound or two more.  As we all know, those last ten pounds are the hardest and I am just about there.  Mr. Authority has at least 50 pounds to lose, so that is proof enough for me!


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Great thread.....bottom line is that it works!
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Quoted from Freyja
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...the 90 day diet ... alows you one day a week in which you can stuff yourself with cake and one day of carbs, one day of meat and so on. You don't have to give up anything.
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Is there really such a diet!??!  Amazing!  I was eating like that before I turned to the BTD.  That my diet!



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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To be honest with u guys there not all ignorant, most people that dont knw anything about it are IGNORANT! There like man, oranges and tomatoes are good for u! and look at u like ur crazy! I mean i have immediate reactions when i eat those foods u dont know my body?!! But anyways, people that tried it they will be like, man, it works but whole organic foods & eating in variety, fits all and will not harm u but u wouldn't benefit the most of ur body though like when ur on btd. Which to be honest with u, is true. I mean go ask any of the old guys out there that are 90-99 that are healthy they would tell u, eat in variety and simply dont eat too much! Also some people say that eating avoids will benefit you somehow (they tried BTD) although having some bloating and stuff but still we will benefit from it, for example like eating an orange ill get the vit c in it or eating a steak ill get some iron in me and so on! That being said, VARIETY & WHOLE oragnic Foods is key. What do you guys think???

PS; Most people i meet are in the gym, pls every time u go to the gym talk to atleast 1 person after ur workout about btd, i find overweight people and obese people respond better than skinny or muscular lol.


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The more desparate the person, sometimes the more open they are. Or if they are on a journey that has eliminated lots of other possible solutions.  


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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"Plenty of scientific evidence. Zero peer-approved proof. Testimonials claim amazing results."

That is how it should read whenever someone wants to be a skeptic.
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If you build something based on something that works, is it ethical to subject a control group to something that doesn't? Wouldn't it be more ecological to share what works? Why, me thinks, yes it would-- especially when the results are both short and long term and the size and magnatude to account for individual variables would be ridiculous. Oh, wait, most of the studies are based on the premise that we are all the same or different in one way.  

Perhaps a shift in thought will take time for some...

The studies of genes themselves are now clearly pointing to changing the approach. Other people will catch up in the thought process.

Macro/micro maps on my mind.  

Perhaps tracking SWAMI with outcomes would be useful. Maybe this is being done in Pro?


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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There is no place to track anything in Swami except body weight and current medical issues.

We are waiting for the conceptual tide to come in, AKArtlover.  

I wish some enterprising lawyer could start a class-action law suit against the use of the Food Pyramid.  Dieticians have a lot to answer for ...  


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Quoted from Dr. D
Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.


Oh, thank you, Dr. D. I am having a bit of a rough night, so I popped onto the board (usually a good idea if one needs perking up) and I saw this post. It made me laugh. Thank you.

Btw, here's a little science for anyone who wants any:  I've lost 85 lbs on the GTD and I'm not done yet. I've kept it ("it" being defined as the original 73 lbs I wanted to lose, plus the extra I've lost since then) off for over a year. I've had not ONE craving, not one major slipping out of feeling in balance and strong, and just this very evening, it's a scientific fact that a neighbor I hadn't seen in a while almost fell over when he saw me out walking, and he said "Ed!  I'm proud of you!"

It's science, baby.  


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Yes, I procrastinated, brain overload and other priorities, but been thinking a lot and listening to CD's while driving. I see an easier essay test question to condense down to 500-1500 words, but I think this might be the most practical one. There is sooooo much though to this as the ER series books just scratch the surface.

Need to say some prayers and instruct my unconscious to construct this for me tonight and point me to the right resources when I sit down to type. And to chunk up and down as necessary.

PT, you rock! Like Dr. D says, you did the work. He gave you a map, but you took the journey.  

This is a great community (with a great person behind it, who's unintentional intention shows through ).   Thank you all for helping me learn and grow! And giving me some laughs on the way!



Jumping ship on that question with regards to the test, too much to squeeze down. A few hours of work. Letting it float on the hard drive for now.  


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14

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Yea the more i learn about myself, the more i realize that most grains, breads, and starchy noodles i used to eat a lot were not good for me.  

I ate a lot of this and my blood sugar would crash, leaving me irritable.  I leaned  up and added muscle eating mostly meats, fruits, and veggies and breaking a sweat!  

So the grains in the food pyramid are not optimal, at least for me.  I never consumed milk or much dairy every in my life.  Dairy sits heavier in me than any other food group by far.

I believe that the lower protein and plant intake and higher grain and sugar intake today causes most of todays "killer" diseases of aging.

If you look at the health of industrialized socieities, it is evident that the typical lifestyle is not conducive to health.
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I dispute what i said earlier!  I need to read the actual gt book more and talk less!  The book does say that many grains and seeds and dairy can interfere with explorer detox (which is why i have have been feeling better overall, cuz i cut them down a lot) other GT's do well with them.  I still feel like plants and various meats (depending on GT) are the prime foods for health though.

Different strokes for different folks!
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It's odd how the whole "scientific study" thing gets thrown around. Truly, how many diets out there have "scientific studies" behind them?  It is ridiculously difficult to do a study of diets, because it is nearly impossible to control what people eat. Oh sure, they will report their food diary, but rarely is that what they actually ate!


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PT, you rock! Like Dr. D says, you did the work. He gave you a map, but you took the journey.  

  



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Truly, how many diets out there have "scientific studies" behind them?  It is ridiculously difficult to do a study of diets, because it is nearly impossible to control what people eat. Oh sure, they will report their food diary, but rarely is that what they actually ate!


Studies from well known universities is what we are talking about, when dieters are supervised 24/7. I mean youtube the Atkins diet, u'll find couple of documentaries just studying the Atkins diet, they bring a bunch of people, feed them the diet and weight & blood test them. They are supervised 24/7, giving at the end of the documentary the experience and evidence the dear viewer needs to knw  . If only Dr.D does a documentary like this, but it needs money! I mean if only a couple of camera men walk around in Dadamo's clinic and ask patients about there experience using D's diet and stuff will do it, people love to see, they need this.


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I think there may be a couple of things in the works. I'm working on something related, and I was chatting with Eric at IFHI.

One thing about the Atkins thing you mentioned, very short term. Also, giving up the grains, from what I have learned, is probably going to drop weight on most people.

There is a lot more thought process behind Dr. D's work than most people realize from the mass market books.

There is a lot of info on this website, but seeing Dr. D speak and listening to the IFHI conference CD's absolutely floored me.  


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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In my line of previous work I knew various food sensitivity testers that would periodically visit the store I was working in. One chap, a genuinely nice fellow, though was nevertheless quite opinionated in that he thought everyone should be lacto vegetarians. He picked up my Genotype Diet book, literally flicked through it very quickly, screwed his face up then put it down.

Now, if he had still thought that everyone should be lacto vegetarian but was himself willing to exercise an open mind then that would have been very different. Fair enough in that regard I say / feel. I know lots of people that have gained some benefit from trying out various school of thought, that's great, I don't shove this down their throat, neither do they try to force their experiences and views on me.

I'll be honest, if I could be a successful type O vegetarian, live on several sources of vegetable proteins a day, I would. I've tried it and for me, it doesn't work - I just get over weight. I look very well on it but weight control is very hard. Also eating a lot of just one food group gets a bit 'gutty' after a while in my experience.


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Oh, do tell what "gutty" means, Azure. I'm not familiar with the term.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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Oh, do tell what "gutty" means, Azure. I'm not familiar with the term.


Plain bloody boring. A 'chore' would be another way of describing it.


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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
With some people if they don't know you can't tell them.  


Ain't that the truth???? I live with some of those kinds and work with some. It can be frustrating, but I don't let it. I just say, oh well! All I can do is the best I can do, take care of myself by doing the diet and show them! Then, if they choose to bury their heads in the sand and ignore the results, it's just too bad so sad!


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I don't put a lot of stock in science but I know this diet is scientific because it  does seem to work for people.  I can push dairy & wheat through my system; I gain a little, usually in terms of body fat.  Many Os say they eat these two types of food with no problems & refuse to discontinue.  Why do so if there's no "proof".  The symptoms are more subtle, harder to admit I think if you like to think of yourself as healthy.  People don't want to hear about dietary restrictions other than calories..... that sounds more "scientific" to most people.  Like Weight Watchers.  That diet has huge appeal because it let's you eat a little bit of everything & people do lose weight on it.  I've argued with people on other boards who say WW has "scientific" studies to back it.  I always go back to blood type because I like how my tissues un-bloat so quickly.  WW people would rather count points and log exercise sessions.  They think it makes more "sense".
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