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kescah
Monday, July 12, 2010, 8:26pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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kescah,
In your case, I would probably agree with you...

In the cases I've seen with myself (and several others), there isn't the same cause / effect relationship.


Don't mean to irritate you, but it seems that it would be hard to tell in most cases. We don't usually recognize where bacteria go to after antibiotic treatment nor do most people have knowledge of what homeopathics to treat with later in a disease that they never dreamed came from maybe a childhood course of antibiotics.


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Don't mean to irritate you, but it seems that it would be hard to tell in most cases. We don't usually recognize where bacteria go to after antibiotic treatment nor do most people have knowledge of what homeopathics to treat with later in a disease that they never dreamed came from maybe a childhood course of antibiotics.

I agree...  I know that bacteria and virii can hide in other cells and fatty tissues.  If we can't determine what the original "bug" was however, but can determine that the body thinks it is allergic to an organ, there isn't really anything to do except treat it as an allergy (or sensitivity), since I know how to eliminate those effects with a non-invasive treatment...  


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Kescah, I have a question then.  If certain foods cause acne/boils/cysts, then you would recommend eating them to cleanse out something in the system?  You believe they're good because they're cleaning out something bad?  Or are they bad in and of themselves?  I'm not sure I understand what you're saying exactly.


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I agree...  I know that bacteria and virii can hide in other cells and fatty tissues.  If we can't determine what the original "bug" was however, but can determine that the body thinks it is allergic to an organ, there isn't really anything to do except treat it as an allergy (or sensitivity), since I know how to eliminate those effects with a non-invasive treatment...  


That is good if you get the effects you want. If not, the homeopath takes a list of your symptoms and chooses the remedy in accord with the "symptom picture". That is how I arrived at the knowledge that my thyroid was invaded by gonococcus. Because the symptoms told me that the remedy was Medorrhinum. That can be the only cause for the need for that remedy unless you inherit the condition from an ancestor who had gonorrhea. I just assumed that it was, in my case, my own case of gonorrhea since I had had an active case.



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Kescah, I have a question then.  If certain foods cause acne/boils/cysts, then you would recommend eating them to cleanse out something in the system?  You believe they're good because they're cleaning out something bad?  Or are they bad in and of themselves?  I'm not sure I understand what you're saying exactly.


I would say that in many cases it would be a cleansing reaction if it is a beneficial food causing it. Of course, I can't know that that is true in every case. But yes, in many cases disease leaves the body through the skin. The skin clears up when the toxins are gone.



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Ah.  Okay.  Because my skin problems are for the most part caused by foods I'm supposed to avoid anyway.  Now if I could just figure out what's causing it the rest of the time...


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I've had a setback yesterday and today , just feeling ill all over.  I suspect it's the whey protein (again).  That does NOT make me happy!  I want protein to rebuild!  But I do have to heal up my gut first.  Anyway, I worked out my legs Saturday, and immediately after the workout I drank one mixed scoop of whey powder (~21 grams of protein).  Then I went home and had another scoop (now total of 42 grams of protein).

I felt ok when I got up yesterday, but I drank some milk (yes, I know) right after breakfast, then shortly after church started I got a headache and started feeling icky--maybe 20-30 minutes after drinking the milk.  I bet I was in for a bad day regardless, but drinking the milk hurried it along.  Still icky and tired today, kind of like a gluten reaction.  A leftover from yesterday?  I haven't had anything suspect today, so I expect to be well again tomorrow!

One more thing muddies the water.  I ate dinner at mom's house Saturday evening.  She knows I can't deal with gluten, but her kitchen is inundated with it.  I probably had some get into my food accidentally.  I hate to say it but I think it would be best if I don't eat anything prepared in a kitchen where gluten is used unless I do it myself, cleaning etc.
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So you have three things as possibles for the ickies...  You'll have to stay away from all three for a time, then try them individually, but not too close together...  

You know there are going to be days like this...


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Ah.  Okay.  Because my skin problems are for the most part caused by foods I'm supposed to avoid anyway.  Now if I could just figure out what's causing it the rest of the time...


Ribbit, all you need to do is wean and your health problems will magically go away. That baby needs more HFCS, soybean oil, and milk proteins in her diet anyway.  

Seriously, I think you should see if there are any toxins in your environment that could be contributing to your health problems- even with the "perfect" diet, your body can only clear so many toxins at once, and if you keep re-poisoning yourself (from carpets offgassing, or mold, or something in the well water, etc) then your body just can't keep up and things start to break down. I just read Clean, Green, and Lean (the book recomended to you on the other thread) and I think this may be one of the keys to health in your case.


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You know there are going to be days like this...
Ain't that the truth.

I think I'm going to go "black flag" on corn too.  Nomads are prone to celiac-type gut damage from lectins other than gluten...maybe they can provoke a similar reaction.  I am only permitting traces of corn presently, like starch in meds and supplements.

It would be nice to know which foods have lectins that are prone to causing this effect so I could "black flag" them too.
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Ack, my "edit post" with comments for TJ didn't go through.

OK, second try:

TJ, it could have  been the combination- the whey might be fine by itself without the milk, or the dairy might be fine without the gluten contamination. (Or just the whey might be fine without the gluten.)

I'd suggest you look for non-dairy sources of protein for "rebuilding" while you do another whey-free trial. I'd suggest you eat clean for a few weeks, then try the whey  by itself (no milk or anything from Mom's kitchen) to see how you respond. In the meantime, try using rice protein, egg white protein, or the NAP protein powder for another blood type (so it's free of whey) as long as the ingredients are compliant for you.


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Thank you, Ruth--you made me laugh.  

TJ, you're eating things with CORN??????  DUDE!


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Personally I think it just goes back to leaky gut: maybe items that should be fine for me according to blood type and genotype -- like eggs and whey protein -- are getting outside my digestive tract, and they are NOT fine there!
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TJ, you're eating things with CORN??????  DUDE!
Yes, I have been.  My multivitamin, vitamin C, digestive enzyme, and occasionally generic Advil or Benadryl.  But as of tomorrow, NO MORE!
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Good boy.


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I ate dinner at mom's house Saturday evening.  She knows I can't deal with gluten, but her kitchen is inundated with it.  I probably had some get into my food accidentally.  I hate to say it but I think it would be best if I don't eat anything prepared in a kitchen where gluten is used unless I do it myself, cleaning etc.
That's no good re the setback!!! Hope you get over it soon...
Re the gluten & your Mum's kitchen being contaminated, some places take it so seriously that they have an entire separate gluten free kitchen
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TJ, I'm always kind of surprised when I hear that you are drinking milk.  

I could not drink milk ever, without suffering greatly. For me, milk always has to be cultured, as in Kefir or Yogurt.



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I think it's safe to say that I am turning into an extrovert again.  I've said it before here, and I'm glad I can say it now!  All the time at home alone is grating now.  Even with all the drama and with the kind of boring dreary work I do, I've reached the point that I'd (usually) rather be at work in the morning than at home sleeping in or taking it easy.

ps: I just posted a thread on a surprising twist--now I'm an Explorer!
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If you are truly an explorer, look in the area of glutathione or boosting any of the detoxing enzymes.  Cytochrome 450, or whatever it's called.  N-acetyl-cysteine.  What's the others?  I know there are a ton of them, well, just read the explorer profile in swami and you'll see.  

I will tell you this, you and I have some similarities.  My IGg said no onions for me.  And they, like caffeine, trigger my heart arrhythmia.  I still eat garlic and always wonder, but it doesn't seem to do it like onions.  Once I started cutting out the onions, it happened waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less. And I can remember times when I got my heart arrhythmia that I had onions close to it.  Many times.  I love onions, and they're a good food, but they're not good for everyone.  It may be part of the leaky gut also.  Meaning, if our guts were in tip top shape, we wouldn't have a problem with them, but since it's getting in the bloodstream, it'll play some havoc.  They're strong.  I've heard of some people getting loopy from eating them raw.  

Corn is just no good, imho.  Maybe some A's can get away with it, but, us B's and AB's are just better off without it.  My doctor even told us to keep my A son off of it.  Corn/Dairy/wheat/sugar.  How do you do on goat dairy?  My family seems to do very well on it.  Or make yourself some rice milk.  


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I haven't tried goat milk yet.  Cow's milk whey proteins are horribly provocative for me.  I hope goat milk isn't the same way.

The change to Explorer chopped my dairy superfoods down to very little:
    Ghee, Clarified Butter ◊
    Mozzarella Cheese ◊
    Paneer Cheese ◊
    Ricotta Cheese ◊
    Whey Protein Powder ◊ (which is personally terrible for me)
It makes better sense for now, all things considered.

I'm not sure about garlic either, but I'm steering clear just in case.  Once I have the money to spare for it, I'm going to buy some Hepatigard.  Maybe other supps later (Malic acid esp., so I can do the Explorer overnight detox w/o drinking apple juice )
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If you take artichoke leaf extract, it does the same thing.  I would also look into getting silymarin (milk thistle)  There's no way I could get away with drinking as much apple juice as he recommends for doing that cleanse.  It would be, well, very bad.  I remember eating just one apple about a year ago and it messed with me big time.





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