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My Diabetes book finally arrived. I read that today.


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(For those who need outsider things to guide them.. think of finding BTD/GENO as divine intervention.. )

Food sensitivity form having been exposed to (milk) for a long time is much easier to understand than any other hypothesis.. heal the gut and heal the mind.. M is so responsive that it is easy to heal her.. heal her and heal HER family ,, the shock of seeing her react to everyday foods was scary, discovering the good and then letting go of that fear is the right thing to do.. Letting her eat those things that leave her comfortable for a while will heal the spirit of the whole family.  Her reactions seem to be diminishing as you learned that she is on individual, a person in her own rights, a girl walking her own path.. what a wonderful discovery so simply shown/done with foods that are good for her.  So easy fixed and so much learned from it.. and in a year or two when her innards have healed somewhat ( on simple good food) then she will reach out and partake of life and show the world that healing from within is possible..  no need for more than that.. she is well on her way and as she grows she will discover her own value, her own love for some things and her own discarding of others.. the chin may be her guide.. and later some day she will discover some book that will explain her reason for doing that selecting and then she will come and join this chat group and pose some question or another, having long forgotten why her dad was so frantic at first, and why he became so trusting and relaxed that M would find her way.. I trust BTD?GENO.. and I trust M.. with it she has spunk, she has what it takes to grab life and have fun with it...  

(and if her body has something that is truly there like mercury - or not.. like candida - or not.. like, like, like - or not .. her body (and your's) will heal with BTD/GENO ALL by it self, in its proper form and on its own proper scheduale..every time with Beneficial foods.. ( trust that too)

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Thanks Goldie darlin.

Diabetic book is a great read by the way i think every O should buy it. actually after reading it possibly everyone should buy it.


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I bought the footintol.com books regarding this, read them all last night. god what a mess mistakes all over the place, contradiction after contradiction.

asked thema  question on quinoa as there was no mention of it anywhere, there was reply suggested i buy a support version which cost loads and is probably rubbish so be warned

there 100 money back guarantee is very cleverly weighted against getting your money back.

i had to buy it but you shouldn't iif i knew what was in it i would have bought a proper book and saved a load of money.


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PC, I'm sorry to hear about you getting taken!  What a shame that people out there take advantage of those who are sick and searching for answers.
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They will getthe comupence in hell. lol


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They will getthe comupence in hell. lol
I thought that read "computance" some sort of computer hell... isn't there some Bill Gates joke re that....along those lines??!!
Sorry re your bad experience pc!! Bummmer!!
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they are a distant memory already just had some organic beef fillet with broccoli - feel much better now lol


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lol
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hi tj , just re reading diabetic book at the mo and turned to type B page 107. suggest you read that chapter if you haven't already .

notice you are a non secretor too.

talks about B and metabolic syndrome, hypOglycemia, triglycerides, and odema - how compliant are you and how much of the following do yo eat (if you don't mind me asking)

chicken
lentils, peanuts, sesame seeds,
corn potatoes
wheat, buck wheat
processed sugar.



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I don't have the diabetes book.

These are basically the "red flags".  Out of that list, I have traces of potato (potato starch in the shredded mozzarella cheese), occasional small amounts of sugar, and traces of corn starch as an additive to supplements and a few foods.  None of the rest!
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as a matter of interest what small amounts of sugar say for example over a week. and how about listing the fruit you would eat over a week (if you don't mind.)


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there 100 money back guarantee is very cleverly weighted against getting your money back.

i had to buy it but you shouldn't iif i knew what was in it i would have bought a proper book and saved a load of money.


dID YOU PAY BY CREDIT CARD?? SOMETIMES THAT AFFORDS YOU 3 MONTH TO RETURN..


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p/c WHAT HAS IMPRESSED YOU SO FAR IN THAT BOOK??


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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The money is just not that important to me, life is too short and what goes around come around, and maybe they are not dishonest but merely arrogant or stupid. either way they do not deserve my time.

since checking everything in the books form that site actually nothing impresses me. it would be useful for someone who has no idea and is possibly better than knowing nothing - but dangerous because of all the hot air about being the only this and the only that about food intolerances. but it is flawed and full of obvious errors a that a child would spot. so i don't trust the advice and without trust it is worse than useless. one page warns you never to eat x, 3 pages later x is on a menu and these types of errors are all over the place which makes me think that it is designed to get you to get the more expensive option that includes support. real amateurs.


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By the way - Emily's face id clear as a whistle. no problems with food, although some issues still around re environmental air issues. perfume, and dust today at the library. also a problem with the dust and inks in books which is quiet common. but compared to what we have been through it a breeze.

so another week and a half of low sugar diet and we then look to see thresholds to confirm our thinking. (very slowly. and we are also seeing a highly recommended paediatric allergies consultant. jst to cover all the bases.

made her some home made paneer cheese tonight for a picnic on Sunday "jazz in the park" now that will be a test. grass, sun (hopefully). to go along with her home made lamb meatball and turkey sausages (again all 100 compliant and home made and organic.

we are also having roast organic lamb before we go so she will be filled up a bit. hope she likes it as I'm missing the Spanish grand pix for it. no contest lol.


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as a matter of interest what small amounts of sugar say for example over a week. and how about listing the fruit you would eat over a week (if you don't mind.)
Most weeks no sugar.  It's very much an occasional thing.  The steak on Tuesday had some can sugar in the marinade.  I wouldn't have had that if I'd know it was there.  (If you're interested in that story, it's posted at the end of the "Eye-opening articles about Celiac Disease" thread).  Occasionally my brother makes gluten-free baked goods that are moderately compliant for me, but he lives on the other end of NC!

I haven't been eating much fruit lately, either.  I had a kiwi at lunch.  It didn't agree with me.  If I'd eaten only half I think I would have been ok, but I can't say for sure.  I've also allowed myself banana, grapefruit, lime, blueberry, and strawberry.  But max two servings per day lately.

PC, glad to hear that Emily is making progress!

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By the way - Emily's face id clear as a whistle. Wonderful

...made her some home made paneer cheese tonight for a picnic on Sunday "jazz in the park" now that will be a test. grass, sun (hopefully)....hope she likes it as I'm missing the Spanish grand pix for it. no contest lol.
What a great Dad you are - all the research you do & effort you go to!! I'm glad you are getting results!! I am also amazed lately how the lack of "sugar" or carbs in any form is the only thing that really helps me!!

Again heaps of thanks to you TJ for alerting me to this malabsorption thing in the first place
I am almost convinced from reactions I get, (& an article I read) of the possibility that they pump the cheaper cuts of beef full of sugar water to increase the weight before mincing it
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I would half the fruit you eat and see if it gets half better for a week.

interesting idea about the beef - I'll add a bit of research into that -



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I would half the fruit you eat and see if it gets half better for a week.
Hmmm half of nothing??!! Let's see...still nothing
I am not even thinking of reintroducing any fruit until my skin settles down again  Latest reaction was from a so called "antioxidant" (preservative 385) in some rice bran mayonnaise, which now that I look again at the label, does have "lemon juice from concentrate" in it also
I was, at the same time, trying to get into a morning habit of organic lemon juice in water...maybe all combined wasn't good...
Btw that article on beef was a UK one...
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At least the ingredients have to be listed on the beef.  I just didn't read them because I didn't expect there to be a "list" of ingredients--just "beef".
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P/C TJ... I for my self.. I don't buy precooked or manufactured and messed with anything.. (as a rule-- going out is another issue -- but then I KNOW what the issue is-- it's me making bad choices... )

I find that making my own everything fresh is all I need.. in meat I just cut it in small thin strips with a fine knife.. or a cuisine type machine..  even meat might have water added, salt added, to keep it looking red???  ..  but fresh at least it cooks out??

BUT THE SUGAR issue is interesting...  I wonder if being on the diabetic BTD is the trick there?? but truth I would not have thought that even fruit could be that much of on issue..  

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I haven't been eating much fruit lately, either.  I had a kiwi at lunch.  It didn't agree with me.  If I'd eaten only half I think I would have been ok, but I can't say for sure.  I've also allowed myself banana, grapefruit, lime, blueberry, and strawberry.  But max two servings per day lately.


just as a precaution.. some of the fruits TJ ate is not on E list for O..   But you know many 30 years ago I started no sugar over night and a blue depression I had (totally unaware till then) went away.. totally accidentally.. just wanted to loose weight.. then I read that this is indeed so.. depression gone..  

but then for year before BTD I followed DR Atkins diet suggestions of meat and LOW carb foods.. fruit where the highest carbs so I just seldom ate them.. I did not even know HOW much GOOD I did my self...

I am certain had I not done all these things instinctively and then converted to BTD I would have been much worse health wise ... many years earlier..

so the good you do -- is now is steeped in my 32 years of belli aches and then fighting all the docs for the right to eat meat--- E is a lucky girl..

now how did you make the Paneer?? what does it taste like? that is not on the BTD.. but have you tested her ?? is she btd or geno? if you answered I never saw it..
  how do you make your own sausages??


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paneerr is on both mine and Amber's Swami, so we figured if we are going to stop fruit for a while we'll let a tiny amount of home made cottage /Paneer cheese) actually it rather bland, but you can spice it up or cook it it 's a bit like tofu in looks and Emily had a bit on turkey, just a tiny cude she thought it was wonderful. bless.

of course after i said that Emily's face was perfect last night, she scratched her face sometime during the night. the one noght that her scratch mites were forgotten to be washed. so again our fault you just can't be thorough and careful enough.

the cheese is easy peasy to make. goggle "show me the curry paneer" and watch the video it's to indian ladies and they are great.


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/C thanks for the info.. but keep all new food away from all other known non reactive foods.. inbetween..in the morning at 10 or so would be best .. so that you really can see the results before she goes to sleep then if she has a reaction give her water to wash it out.. then by night she should be ok again..

what exactly is her non reactive foods she can eat so far without restricktion and what with restrictions?? do you mind typing it up again as it has changed.. and I would like to just look at it for some commom thread..  

p/s Mitts for mits..   


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the list is basically allowable meats, poultry and fish, non fructose veg or low, no sugars at the mo although she seems okay with glucose, but we only tried tiny tiny amount. and she had just drank a large glass of sparkling water. so difficult to be sure. which one helped. quinoa seems not to annoy her but we are limiting carbs a bit too. jst until we gaet to the bottom of this.

but basically it's eitehr carbs or just specifically fructose. this of course is in a ddition to her reacting to perfumes, chemical and then the dust mites not allowing the skin to recover unless she is soaked in olive oil and the more expensive the less they go near her. so we get cold pressed, unfiltered organic extra virgin olive oil. from Italy Il Casolare.

the base veg that we give her are broccoli, abd green beans. oh and beef is now reduced, as is chicken. again for the moemnt since she tested intolerant ot beef and her moods are shocking when she eats chicken. we left them both for about a months and then introduced one meal a week. the beef was slighly better but the chicken is now just gven once a week. beef once a month to see what happens. banana 1/3 is now once every two weeks. lemon and lime seems good, but she only gets a twist with her sparklling water alternated every otherd day and sometoimes this is skipped too. tomorrow is a slightly relaxed day becasue sf the picnic. and of course if england beat germany she can have a grape lol. if Jenson Button wins the Spanish Grand prix she can have and ise cream. so that at least is possible.

with all my research i missed that on our swami Dr D had already had Fructose as an avoid in the albeit in the condiments section.missed beacuase we never use any stuff like that but it has to go toward the sugar thing and FM.


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