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favor vegetable glycerin over other .....


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criptic as ever Lola. oxo


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I assumed she meant you should favour veg glycerin over the other
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Vegetable glycerin did NOT agree with me when I tried it, but it's a great sweetener alternative for many.
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Glycerine in a humectant. It is not a 'main ingredient' in the bar formula, since by far the main ingredient is the protein blend (egg/rice). Glycerine(ol) is a trihydric alcohol, (not a carbohydrate) and is the building block of all plant oils and nearly all animal fats. Without a humectant to hold moisture, any bar would be a rock-solid brick within hours of production. Glycerine is the only effective humectant that can be used by non-secretors, since it can be shunted to either fat metabolism or glucose production, depending on metabolic status. Glycerine can be a carb on occasion, a fat precursor on occasion, a phosphoglyceride precursor on occasion, and it can simply pass through the body unused. For non-secretors, this is perfect. Thus, although it is there for moisture retention, it also tends to optimize fat<->carb<->fat conversion which is genetically a problem with non-secretors.
The mentor that introduced me to the concept that lectins can exert metabolic effects in hampering weight loss was fond of having his patients drink glycerine as a way 'prime' the conversion of fat cell bound glycerol back to glycogen-glucose.


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I haven't read every post in this thread, but I wanted to say something to Policy Checker that somebody else might have already caught (so forgive me if I'm repeating): It's no surprise that she's hungry that often--she needs protein.  A banana is the last thing you want to feed somebody in the morning.


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Thanks ribit - not sure where the banana came in without re reading the whole post again - but she is a protein eating machine anyway. Emily only has banana rarely and will continue to have it now that we know she can eat it without a problem in small amounts. lately this has been maybe once evry couple of weeks or less.

i have listed what she eats in detail and it amazes me how much protein she eats.

if i were to say anything it would be that she is satisfied the most i.e not so hungry when she eats quinoa.

today she went a bit funny after eating a whole haddock. at 5 pm. this was her 8th meal of the day. the only fruit she had was literally a 1/5 of a banana in the morning, but  after she had eaten twice already including having a boiled egg. 3 white grapes, and an ice cube size of pomegranateand that was mid afternoon as it was so hot. juice frozen oh and if you count a squeeze of lime in sparkling water. today she ate cod in the morning followed by turkey, lamb stew (strained), more turkey. by the way she does not put on much weight but looks healthy enough. thrown in there was a tiny amount of broccoli, a few green beans.


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Ribbit, just found the bit you were possibly looking at, if you look closely that menu was dated in February of this year and was just an example of how we were keeping records - long beofer we realised the true issues she had. we now have moved on quiete a bit and don't give her much fruit at all really. but thanks anyway for tyring to help. kind regards PC.


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Glycerine is a humectant. It is not a 'main ingredient' in the bar formula, since by far the main ingredient is the protein blend (egg/rice). Glycerine(ol) is a trihydric alcohol, (not a carbohydrate) and is the building block of all plant oils and nearly all animal fats. Without a humectant to hold moisture, any bar would be a rock-solid brick within hours of production. Glycerine is the only effective humectant that can be used by non-secretors, since it can be shunted to either fat metabolism or glucose production, depending on metabolic status. Glycerine can be a carb on occasion, a fat precursor on occasion, a phosphoglyceride precursor on occasion, and it can simply pass through the body unused. For non-secretors, this is perfect. Thus, although it is there for moisture retention, it also tends to optimize fat<->carb<->fat conversion which is genetically a problem with non-secretors.
The mentor that introduced me to the concept that lectins can exert metabolic effects in hampering weight loss was fond of having his patients drink glycerine as a way 'prime' the conversion of fat cell bound glycerol back to glycogen-glucose.  


I thought this was worht repeating, as I had missed it..


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Lola - favor vegetable glycerin over other ..... please elaborate. in simple terms for me thanks oxo

for example say "take on xyz amount of gglerserin tablet available fro xyz stoe and give a link. and coplete instructions


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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=jeremy-nicholsons-gut-instincts&posted=1

And your work has shown that the environment makes a huge contribution to your health.
People talk about the genes that make you fat, but really, if you sit on your butt eating pork rinds and Big Macs and watching television, you will get fat, no matter what your genes say. What you do to yourself is really important. Metabolism captures environmental signatures as well as genetic. Your environment involves things like drugs you're exposed to, the pollutants you're exposed to, the products of your gut microbes, the metabolic products of your diet—so when we do a broad-screen metabolic profile, we're capturing all of that information, plus information that links to genome variation. For me, metabonomics is the most holistic of the "-omics." In principle, it can capture the signature of everything.


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Okay a very short version of my take on fructose or the main points.

Banana is handelled better when NOT ripe. it seems fruit contains less fructose when under ripe.

fructose seems to either cause insulin resistance or makes it worse mayv=be both

if you are having issues with fructose - stoping intake for two weeks can help a lot after that go easy and possibly eat fructose veg first then fructose fruit but at low levels - leave the sugary . sweets choc etc alone unless you want to be ill or worse.

stop drinking bear - get  into a modest amount of red wine if tjhat's compliant for you i guess.

when cooking vegetables don't (sweetify them) i.e sweet potato chips and the like.

obviously any kind of high fructose rubbish or anything else that's artificial should be avoided - some people don't agree with this and say you can eat detrose or what ever - doesn't make sense to me that! avoid it all!


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Okay a very short version of my take on fructose or the main points.

Banana is handelled better when NOT ripe. it seems fruit contains less fructose when under ripe.

fructose seems to either cause insulin resistance or makes it worse mayv=be both

if you are having issues with fructose - stoping intake for two weeks can help a lot after that go easy and possibly eat fructose veg first then fructose fruit but at low levels - leave the sugary . sweets choc etc alone unless you want to be ill or worse.

stop drinking bear - get  into a modest amount of red wine if tjhat's compliant for you i guess.

when cooking vegetables don't (sweetify them) i.e sweet potato chips and the like.

obviously any kind of high fructose rubbish or anything else that's artificial should be avoided - some people don't agree with this and say you can eat detrose or what ever - doesn't make sense to me that! avoid it all!
Good summary pc!! Cheers... Yeah I still can't get my head around eating sucrose/dextrose to combat the effect of frusctose???

Oh & btw I have heard that "bears" are definitely high frustose - it's prob'ly all the honey they eat
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"bears" are definitely high frustose


you mean fustose, from fussy wussy???
he was a bear!!!


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lol, dextrose really is fine--as long as corn is okay for you!  Dextrose=glucose, which is absorbed quite easily without any transports necessary.  I don't seem to have trouble with ripe bananas.  That's the only way I want them anyway.

Also, watch out for grapefruit juice.  I bought some and it didn't agree with me.  Turns out it had apple juice in it too.
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the problem is that all the FM stuff doesn't take into account blood type. so for example corn is an avoid for me.

and once you have a few health issues you quickly run out ofthings to choose from.

I'm hoping the kick start theory will raise the threshold for M. or maybe increasing the exercises helps but between us we'll get there.



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P/C and all who made this journey... Yes, some people have a natural ability not to need sugar stuff, just like some have a great need for added salt, and some can eat cake and say I did not even have any cake for weeks.. and than there is me I fit all at different times.. but BTD is my savior.. without it there would be so little hope as I would never have gotten stronger/healthy.. even years later I get to feeling better for some discovery of on old or new interpretation or another..  small changes sometimes, small adjustments, make a big difference.  what is natural today may not be good tomorrow, and sometimes the reverse is possible, but allowing for self regulating once you only have beneficial foods in the house will bring out the best eating habits.   kids and some adults will eat right if they are given a chance to choose from super and from beneficials. . I see them as holding the building blocks together, while the neutrals are the stuff one can not avoid in so called polite society.  

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to the op, have you considered that mercury poisoning is known to cause intolerance to gluten and casein. ( as per andrew cutler's book - amalgam illness)

policychecker, in cutler's book he has a unique method for interpreting hair mineral ratios to indicate toxicities of certain heavy metals.

i am not advocating to rush out and start chelating because it has its own set of problems especially for children. but of the many hundreds of health books i have read, this book stands up there with the best of them. andrew cutler is no slouch as he has a ph.d. in biochemistry.

many researchers have proposed the theory that mothers, like large fish (just kidding), are generationally accumulating heavy metals, and passing them intrauterinely and via breastmilk to children.
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I tried taking that into account with cilantro and other remedies regarding heavy metals but Emily reacted to them. so my priority is to get her to be able to eat without worry then we'll address the next issue.

I'll get his book next although i have quite a few to read still and I'm still waiting for the diabetic book which is now holding me up. still it gives me time to read more and more on FM. and yeast.

Personally i think Emily is over rthe worst of this thanks to our changing and being aware of her diet. but the next few weeks will tell for sure.




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to the op [Original Poster?], have you considered that mercury poisoning is known to cause intolerance to gluten and casein. ( as per andrew cutler's book - amalgam illness)
I assume this was directed at me.  I've never had a dental cavity, my mother never had amalgam fillings until after I was weaned, and I don't eat a lot of seafood.  Nevertheless, I have done some mercury cleansing type stuff in the past--mainly taking chlorella and milk thistle while trying to purge candida (i.e. no-carb diet).
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Personally i think Emily is over rthe worst of this thanks to our changing and being aware of her diet. but the next few weeks will tell for sure.

I think she may still have some toxin stored in the body that will come out over time, and she may have small reactions as that happens...  I think you're doing a great job assessing what is proper for her.  Although, things can change as she heals.


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I don't believe as this author...  

Having been through serious allergy/sensitivity issues, anything that causes the body to become overly toxic will cause allergic/sensitivity symptoms.  This can include trauma, chemical exposure, drugs - prescription or not, wrong foods, disease, gut flora imbalance, etc...

Most of what you list are or can be symptoms, rather than causes...



I agree 100%. My problems all seemed to have stemmed from metal toxicity.  Get rid of the metals, get rid of stomach problems.  That's how it's been going for me.


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  Let me reassure you that most mental problems are just physical problems.  The mind = body + spirit/soul.  Our souls don't get depression, anxiety, paranoia, hallucinations, or any other kind of "crazy": those arise from weaknesses in the flesh.

I agree with this.  To a point.  But I disagree in totality.  Emotional and mental Trauma, negative thoughts, Unforgiveness, too much fear, can all set up chemical processes that affect your body negatively.  Your physical body.  It's a package deal.  Why do you think the Bible warns us to forgive 70 x 70?  Is it because the person that may have hurt us deserves it?  I guess I'll dig up some scripture to make my point clearer.  I would be careful to always point the finger at something physical.  Even in my case, being metal toxic is what caused a lot of my problems, but dealing with some "emotional and mental" issues has also been very healing.  Your mileage may vary, but I'm telling you my experience.


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