I suck at math!!!!

66 definitely isn t an age to die!!!
Atkins at least had an excuse!!! a hit in the head does kill anyone, but MM?
most natural Drs down here are totally into orthomolecular advice and see no further...
it s like they have these eye shields and only have eyes for MM......frustrating to say the least.....they all simply dismiss any mention of BT/GT physiological, genetic individualized advice given by Dr D.

I seriously consider OM advice extremely one size all fitting......
many of you following his teachings, what exactly is so absolutely fantastic about OM?
that isn t already included in Dr D s guidelines......

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I suck at math!!!!

You may suck at math - your words not mine but I sure do suck at abbreviations... What is MM & OM???

Michel Montignac
Orthomolecular  

Ah Cheers...It is so obvious when you have it explained...

Just been reading on the Salicyalte Sensitive forum & there may be a link to fructose intolerance here...this post is edited from a couple of contributions by one person...

"Here is what my dietician suggested - that salicylate sensitivity is genetically passed down. She attributes the cause of the problem as being poor B6, B12 and/or folate conversion problems which in turn causes a build up of the amino acid cysteine. This acid can't be correctly metabolized by the digestive tract and causes trouble with the liver.

Further research has revealed that poor B6, B12 absorption can be caused by several things including a deficiency in pancreatic enzymes, low hydrocloric acid, low intrinsic factor output, and calcium deficiency which is needed to process B12. Salicylates can damage the stomach lining which produces intrinsic factor causing poor B12 absorption.

There might also be a link between salicylates and candida. Salicylates are hormones which can act as a mild antibiotic which can throw off the balance of good to bad intestinal bacteria. The symptoms of salicylate sensitivity and candida are strikingly similar. This could be why you have those other weird symptoms like hives. Time to give up the sugar! But only for a while.

I have read that the fruit now being grown is genetically selected to have higher levels of salicylates. Salicylates are the hormones that plants produce to keep them from bacteria and fungus. This new generation of fruit have a longer shelf life."

Just in case any of you are interested...

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Just been reading on the Salicyalte Sensitive forum & there may be a link to fructose intolerance here...this post is edited from a couple of contributions by one person...

"Here is what my dietician suggested - that salicylate sensitivity is genetically passed down. She attributes the cause of the problem as being poor B6, B12 and/or folate conversion problems which in turn causes a build up of the amino acid cysteine. This acid can't be correctly metabolized by the digestive tract and causes trouble with the liver.

Further research has revealed that poor B6, B12 absorption can be caused by several things including a deficiency in pancreatic enzymes, low hydrocloric acid, low intrinsic factor output, and calcium deficiency which is needed to process B12. Salicylates can damage the stomach lining which produces intrinsic factor causing poor B12 absorption.

There might also be a link between salicylates and candida. Salicylates are hormones which can act as a mild antibiotic which can throw off the balance of good to bad intestinal bacteria. The symptoms of salicylate sensitivity and candida are strikingly similar. This could be why you have those other weird symptoms like hives. Time to give up the sugar! But only for a while.

I have read that the fruit now being grown is genetically selected to have higher levels of salicylates. Salicylates are the hormones that plants produce to keep them from bacteria and fungus. This new generation of fruit have a longer shelf life."

Just in case any of you are interested...  

Possum interesting.. I always knew that I need B6 and have often tested for low B12 .. now I wonder if I ate fruits when that happened ???

I looked at BIG plums yesterday and refused to buy them thinking they are 'modified'?  I think I was right .. I bought small prune plums instead, but my habits usually is not to eat much fruit, now maybe that is something to look at in a different light according to your writing.. interesting..

Don't get me started on Sugar .

P/C did you see this thread

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-nonnie/m-1283554403/

Diabetes/Alzheimer connection x10 at 25 year old..  needing to start planning  

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Don't get me started on Sugar .

I wouldn't dream of it...   Interestingly enough sugar (not that I would eat it ever) is low in salicylates compared to fruit...So eating tinned pears in syrup rather than fruit juice is recommended Now where have I heard that before?   See, compares to theories relating to fructose malabsorption

fruit in any shape I think is less harmful..I buy them now in slices, so I eat one slice instead of half..

fruit juices are to concentrated and to many in a glass..

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Interestingly enough sugar (not that I would eat it ever) is low in salicylates compared to fruit.

interestingly I never felt that sugar was any issue with me.. if I have other stuff I never crave sugar, when I drank it in coffee, it never bothered me half so much as a drop of milk might..

I never felt worse with choc fudge stuff around a devils food cake.. the fat content might have made it a S U P E R  FOOD!?????    the sugar I have in my cupboards is for guest only, I never crave it.. (30 years)

I also like 85% choc better now then reg milk choc..so the sugar ..... how the body knows!!!

interesting..

yes read that thread Goldie. old news oxo

Some fruits are very high in salicylates others are not. some people can eat one high salicylate fruit or veg and not another, so it's not that easy. like wise with amines.

but it's not necessarily all about salicylates just because there is a lot of people who think they have a salicylate problem.

they key is the absorption. hence the low fodmaps. yawn...... peace and love.

What's the yawn for? Bored with the discussion? Disagree/disinterested? Or what?

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fruit in any shape I think is less harmful..I buy them now in slices, so I eat one slice instead of half..

Just be careful of the "preservatives they use on fruits and veggies...which is apparently called "stay fresh"." Check Frosty's last comment on the thread on fast food... Might be better (& non doubt cheaper) for you to slice the apple or whatever, & brush it with lemon

sorry possum not aimed at you , just been going on about fodmaps for so long, with the same questions that keep being repeated, the same doubts being brought up, it's a bit repetitive. no offence meant.

but i think I'll stop re-posting and let people discover for them selves.

PC thanks..    the lemon is good.. I use it in a fine spray bottle and it works fine to keep fruits sliced..  

but the best for me is still meat broth and green leaves for breakfast.. then meat and veg twice after, and seeds/nuts in-between.

Getting used to the idea all over again.  adherence to a sparten life..?? OR???

Spartan as in warrior to keep on .....!  imagine the years Dr D put in? he is a good lead for perseverance..  

Found this site while researching stuff for M, somemight find it useful.

http://www.lactofree.co.uk/lactose-detector/

PC In the end : what did you get out of BTD/GENO.. curious because you had a hard case to fix..  

I would expect that SUPER BENEFICIALS act as medicinal foods that heal the gut.. as a point of interest how many fruit/sugar things are on BDT/GENO/SWAMI?  is it little enogh not to cause issues to flare??

how compatable are the suggested fruits?


some where I wonder what heals fisrst. super B or elimination?

thanks for letting me know.  

I know (all too well) that brown rice is definitely bad for fructmal, but does anyone know if that includes brown rice protein?  I'm figuring it does (isn't it just the "coat" of the rice grain that contains fructans?), but I'm just trying to find a variety of protein sources.

Could you point me to your source?  I looked all over trying to find support for that claim.

How do you react when you eat brown rice?  I can't make a call on whether rice protein contains fructans because I don't yet believe rice contains fructans.

@TJ
I have no specific source - everything I've ever seen/read about fructose malabsorption lists brown rice as being a food to definitely avoid.  It's very true; I react to brown rice the same as I would react to high fructose corn syrup  

I think I just decided that cocoa is a neutral not good for me   I get a water retention effect from it?? can not be possible.. could it be that I need something with it?? besides hot water..

It goes away after about 4 hours.. interesting..

I never knew choc to do that, nor choc icecream .. hmmm?

the coffeemate you are adding to your drink is causing the retention......