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Good news TJ, did you do a low fodmap for a time?


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This link is on other threads but I think it explains the Fructose malabsorption / intolerance / reaction/ syndrome x etc.

Our bodies metabolize Fructose differently than Glucose.  I think this explains a lot of what this thread is about.

Sugar: The Bitter Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM


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I thought i put that thread on her as well as other threads,


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I thought i put that thread on her as well as other threads,


If you did, I'm just trying to spread the word.
I'm not trying to step on your toes


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hey no woriies lol, didn't mean it like that, I was worried i had forgotten. spread on...


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Quoted from PCUK-Positive
Good news TJ, did you do a low fodmap for a time?
More or less.
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Here's a new word for me: FODMAPs. (Hi P.C.!)
Fermentable
Oligo-
Di-
And
Mono
Polyols.
Meaning: Certain people don't tolerate foods that contain short-chained carbohydrates called FODMAPs. If you google it you'll find food lists of the worst offenders.

Now, I have ulcerative colitis and I am hoping that Dr.D has considered the FODMAPS in SWAMI.
Does anybody know?
Or....if I stick to the SWAMI diet, are FODMAPS an issue at all then????

Thanks, guys!
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Here is a basic flowchart of the food selection and physiologic quantifiers that were used in the GTD food selection algorithms. Most of the software was/is of my own construction.

http://www.dadamo.com/GenoType/7GTDflowchart.jpg

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1202698596/s-13/highlight-Glycemic/#num13
factors that Dr. D. uses in classfying the foods for each genotype.
gtd forum
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/

and now his new textbook which just came out, and more on the way.....there s no stopping him!


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I don't think 'glycemic index' is the same. FODMAPs are not only about sugar. Apparently they are flagged for being osmotically active, fermentable, may interfere with absorption of fructose (hence aggravating symptoms of fructose malabsorption)

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I think I spoke too soon.  I very quickly got overrun with candida after starting back on fruits!   Between the freakin' candida and the celiac and other protein intolerances, I sure don't have much to choose from lately.
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glad you also saw the rest of the links......
am putting your thread together with PC s, also dealing with fodmaps....
together you might want to discuss it
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1276358380/s-178/#num178


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It is not new information that certain carbohydrates such as raffinose, are difficult people to digest. Or that some people are not able to digest particular sugars that other people can.

The SWAMI database contains information on the composition of foods.

In the consumer version of SWAMI (Xpress) the program identifies what substances in foods that you might have problems with based on the data you enter on the data intake form. Also identifies nutrients that you may benefit from.

It then goes through the foods database to determine what foods contain things you need or do not need as indicated in the chart and listings Lola references above.

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In the version of SWAMI(GenoType) used by practitioners, The practitioner can set how it handles particular carbohydrates, such as, Fructose, Galactose, Glucose, Lactose, Maltose, Sucrose  ....

as necessary to meet the health needs of a particular client.



The Xpress version is doing this process for you automatically so you do not have to think about individuals sugars and starches.


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I think I spoke too soon.  I very quickly got overrun with candida after starting back on fruits!   Between the freakin' candida and the celiac and other protein intolerances, I sure don't have much to choose from lately.

Fruit sugars will definitely help Candida run, but I found that there may be other reasons that the Candida runs when you have enough energy to clean house...

When I finally got enough energy from the healing gut to power the cells properly, they detoxed enough junk to make the Candida run profusely.  I had to continue to provide adequate energy while aiding the body in detoxing the "junk" to be able to continue to "power-up" the cells gradually and clear all of the pent up garbage from them to not overload the filtering system...  I've had the benefit of working with a practitioner to help me get through this, so passing along the knowledge - inn case you're having the same issue.  During this time, I just had to allow the Candida to run while detox progressed.


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The FODMAP info that will be important to you is the latest foods that have been tested, like in the last few weeks. these tests cost a fortune something like £10,000 per food item. so be wary of suitable lists.

but also a guiding hand into making sure they are necessary I speak with Jaci Barrett about this and i rate her - she is  at least aware of BTD also allows me (as such lol) to run her foods that also are BTD complaint for Emily.

her link is here http://dietsolutions.net.au/ and worth a chat. or you can read all hers and her colleagues research and every bit of similar research,  like i did also. took a while but worth it. but be warned the list on the INTERNET are often wrong completely or at best out of date.


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Now, I have ulcerative colitis
but further help here
http://dietsolutions.net.au/specialities/inflammatory-bowel-disease/





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NOW you have UC or now is when your existing UC from the past
starts flaring up???

my best gf just cured her UC by adhering strictly to her swami
she can t stop praising GTD enough.....
all she regrets is not having listened to me way before, less damage would
have occurred, less flareups and unnecessary pain


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I am seriously confused about what happened to this thread.  What was combined with it???
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When I finally got enough energy from the healing gut to power the cells properly, they detoxed enough junk to make the Candida run profusely.  I had to continue to provide adequate energy while aiding the body in detoxing the "junk" to be able to continue to "power-up" the cells gradually and clear all of the pent up garbage from them to not overload the filtering system...
Thanks, good point Joe!
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who know.....


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I posted this one before, but a glitch made it disappear, so here it is again:

FODMAPs are new to me (Hi pc!) They are short chained carbohydrates which cannot be tolerated by some people resulting in bloating, diarrhea, constipation, gas etc. - all familiar symptoms for people with IBD.
Having colitis myself I am very interested if FODMAPs are taken into account in SWAMI or...
if by eating a SWAMI diet are FODMAPs still a consideration at all!

Lola, you answered this before with a link to Dr.D's complete list of criteria highlighting the glycemic points.

My answer to that was, that FODMAPs are not only about their sugar connection.

They are also 'osmotically active', meaning they draw water into your intestines causing diarrhea
And they are 'fermentable', meaning they make a lot of gas as they are digested causing bloating.

Some of the worst FODMAP foods are on my superfood list and are even diamonds!

FODMAP stands for:
F ermentable
O ligo-
D i- and
M onosaccarines (all three are sugars)
A nd
P olyols (sugar alcohols)

FODMAPS include wheat, onions, artichokes, legumes (soy, beans, lentils, chickpeas), cabbage, brussel sprouts, dairy products including chocolate, honey, dried fruit (prunes, figs, dates, raisins), apples, pears, sweet cherries, peaches, agave syrup, watermelon, papaya,fructose corn syrup, sorbitol (naturally found in peaches, apricots, plums), xylitol (in some berries).
Sometimes these foods cause problems too: asparagus, leeks, garlic, chicory roots, chicory based coffee substitutes.

I don't think this is a complete list- maybe pc can help out there! Thanks!!

PS: Because FODMAP foods are full of all kinds of goodness nevertheless, any of the websites I visited to look this up stressed the need to eat a FODMAP diet only under the supervision of a nutritionist to balance out the shortfall that must result from cutting out these foods.




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Any foods that you cannot tolerate, do avoid.  

You will have no shortage of choices on the BTD/GTD by avoiding those particular foods.  Most of them are neutral/avoid, anyway.  

As you heal, I would definitely try adding ghee to your diet.  The milk proteins are removed leaving just the milk fat.  
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what s up with FODMAPs and the Irish???
there must be some form of connection.....
according to your variables, Dr D s swami provides what your body needs.
personal allergic reactions or intolerances to a food, you need to monitor on your own, until your gut heals, then reintroduce gradually, with the help of a food log.


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These are my thoughts on FODMAPs and SWAMI:

(Shared in an earlier thread on this topic)

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It is not new information that certain carbohydrates such as raffinose, are difficult people to digest. Or that some people are not able to digest particular sugars that other people can.

The SWAMI database contains information on the composition of foods.

In the consumer version of SWAMI (Xpress) the program identifies what substances in foods that you might have problems with based on the data you enter on the data intake form. Also identifies nutrients that you may benefit from.

It then goes through the foods database to determine what foods contain things you need or do not need as indicated in the chart and listings Lola references above.

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The Xpress version is doing this process for you automatically so you do not have to think about individuals sugars and starches.


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I think in some instances the fluid lost is a quick bathroom visit is not bad as it flushes out some things ..

I think with a little care we should be able to see how we respond when still not healed..

fluid retention is a big issue in some.. so if a fruit could help ..not so bad??

for me most of those things are not on my diet plane anyway ..


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