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"Galactans, also called galacto-oligosaccharides, are chains of galactose molecules.  Like fructans, they are poorly absorbed and fermented by gut flora.  This is because the human small intestine doesn't produce the enzymes needed to cut up these chains into their individual sugars, which could be absorbed.  Also like fructans, galactans are not much of a problem alone, but mostly when eaten in conjuction* with fructose.  Here are some foods that contain galactans: navy bean, kidney bean, green/string bean, black-eyed pea, chickpea (i.e. garbanzo bean), butter bean, lentil, cabbage, yellow bean, and Brussels sprout." *conjunction
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I would've expected a higher number on dates and grapes.  That's good to know.  I know apples don't usually sit right with me.  And they're supposed to be OK for my BTD.  

I don't doubt that not digesting fructose will mess with you.  And what you wrote up all makes sense.  But again, I don't believe it is the root of the problem.  I think there is a reason someone doesn't digest fructose properly.  As you said, there is a normal range of fructose absorption.  The question is, why is that happening?  One possibility is that adrenals need to be healed.  Which from what I understand help you produce your digestive enzymes that come from your pancreas.  Obviously it will differ for others.  Or also being metal toxic will set up a breeding ground for bad bacteria.   Which would in turn upset the whole digestive system.  I believe Dr.D has stated that Explorers will typically battle yeast issues because of this.  

Anyways, just my 2 cents but I think what you put together is very good and following those guidelines will most likely help when there is an upset in the GI tract.  In my experience, staying away from sugars to a large degree helps.


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A few random toughts on this subject- from notes while on holiday.

The Liver seems to be an issue that keeps coming up - also in the sense that people have a dark circles under their eyes. what actually caused hat effect?

and also on the heavy metal line of things - why are some people affected with inherited fructose intolerance but others of the same blood type and secretor status only suffering (possibly) from fructose malabsorption.

I can see the obvious yeast link. but not how to get rid of the fructose issue - which is my goal - regardless of how impossible that seems at the moment.

forgive me for asking a silly question - but can you get a heavy metal test done to find out if that actually is an issue? and if so can you link nme to what people have done after having this test - and do they also have fructose malabsorption.

I'm still working on all the sugars at the moment but my next line would be the why question i.e. what actually causes it i just need to confirm it first. seeing consultant on Tuesday to discuss and i now have a contact for a paediatric gastrointerologist.

I'm also getting a reaction with Emily from vitamins tablets. and at a very low dose like one tenth adult tablet on food. but checking this in a few days.


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Are you directing those questions to me?  My doctor did a stool test that showed how much I was dumping.  He normally would start off with a hair test to see if there is a problem, but he instead started with a genetic test to see about my detox system.  It's a detoxigenomic test done by Genova Diagnostics.  It showed that I lacked glutathione S transferase in my liver and kidneys, therefore I wasn't getting rid of metals like I should.  Then he put me on glutathione orally and topically over my liver and kidneys.  That was a big key for me to start feeling better.  The levels of mercury I was dumping that the stool test showed was VERY HIGH, according to him.  

But you could simply get a hair test done I believe.

And yes, I have dark circles.  My liver has needed a lot of work and probably much to go.  And my kidneys too.  I take silymarin, and artichoke leaf extract to aid those, among other things.  And I take a kidney builder called renatrophin.  


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not directed especially at you abnoway but your welcome to reply and very helpful. i think we will all end up looking at similar areas, we just have to get there are own way. I have a cholesterol problem, but had no issues for 40 years (that were obvoius at least) except i had a sweet tooth?

I find it hard to understand why only some people, taking into account blood types, only get these problems and why some are so much worse than others, and why for example my daughter is reacting n such a strange way. if it is indeed the mercury or a vacinne issue.

maybe she is only reacting a small amount compared to some because she was so healthy and feed breast milk. etc.

it the not being able to put my finger on it quickly that is so frustrating fro me, and I'm on this full time now. i can't imagine how frustrating it is for others without that ability to delve into it in as much details as i am.

If Dr D lived in even the same timezone I'd be knocking at his door. but ill have to wait till he come to the UK. or maybe arrange to meet in Spain. (hint for the good doctor to take a holiday in Spain. lol


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not sure if you have seen this link, but you may like it. it's very long, but a must see.

https://www.the9steps.com/video7_view.php


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Quoted from JJR
I would've expected a higher number on dates and grapes.  That's good to know.  I know apples don't usually sit right with me.  And they're supposed to be OK for my BTD.
Same story here re: apples.  The numbers can vary, depending on the source.
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I think there is a reason someone doesn't digest fructose properly.  As you said, there is a normal range of fructose absorption.  The question is, why is that happening
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I can see the obvious yeast link. but not how to get rid of the fructose issue - which is my goal - regardless of how impossible that seems at the moment.

I agree that I wish it wouldn't be like that.  But there's nothing I can do to fix the fructose problem immediately.  My purpose in writing the primer isn't curing it but managing it.  I don't expect that I'll ever be cured of Celiac disease, but if I manage it properly, I won't need to.  In the short term, we just have to deal with things the way they are!  In the long run, you may find that healing the gut helps the situation.

I don't know if heavy metals or any other kind of toxicity has a role, but it's rarely a bad idea to get rid of toxins.

Hereditary fructose intolerance acts through an entirely different mechanism.  It is an "on or off" condition, where the liver is unable to process fructose, causing fructose to build up in and damage the liver.

ABNoWay, you are in a rather unique position here with your inability to produce glutathione S transferase.  That's likely to affect everything for you!
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True, and very good points. I didn't see the fructose malabsorption thing as a genetic thing.  But if that is the case, I understand your work with this completely.  Just like my problem with metals.


  Now go eat a snickers.  JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Ineed to know more acout the following;

FRUCTANS-
FRUCTO-OLIGO SACCHARIDES (FOS) = Articicial fibre added to some nutritional supplements.

RAFFINOSE- e.g green beans,



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FOS also comes natural not artificial
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Arabinoglactan
there are no artificial fos in any of Dr D s supplements
and all are gluten free
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-pres/m-1124825149/s-25/#num35


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I don't expect that I'll ever be cured of Celiac disease, but if I manage it properly, I won't need to.  In the short term, we just have to deal with things the way they are!  In the long run, you may find that healing the gut helps the situation.
Glutamine helps to protect the lining of the gastrointestinal tract known as the mucosa. Glutamine is important for removing excess ammonia (a common waste product in the body). It also helps your immune system function and appears to be needed for normal brain function and digestion.
Home > Medical Reference > Complementary Medicine



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FOS also comes natural not artificial
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Arabinoglactan
there are no artificial fos in any of Dr D s supplements
and all are gluten free
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-pres/m-1124825149/s-25/#num35


Thanks I read that but Emily is off Fructans full stop. also raffinose, sorbitol and foods with excess fructose. for a period of time. and since I'm mirroring her diet to a large degree, what supps fall into line with this.

I suppose what i would like to know is what supps are better for this short term action and would it be better or even relevant to open caps and poor over food rather that swallowing caps.



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Spotted a disclaimer regarding fodmap, just to keep all informed...

Can a Low-FODMAP Diet Be Dangerous?

Low-FODMAP diet should not be introduced by any person with diabetes, hypoglycemia or other metabolic disorders, or in malnutrition, without prior consultation with a doctor.

It may be necessary to interrupt Low-FODMAP diet in any severe acute disease, after injury or surgery and in other urgent situations


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TJ, thanks for links, I will read carefully as I've gluten and casein intolerance and candida/yeast problems
and working on the immune system.  I have to say once I dropped gluten/dairy the hayfever I suffered with since age 3 almost disappeared.  
Lin


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I pour my caps over food constantly.....
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Confucius say! lol


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I do that for the children.  Right now they're all taking ProBerry sprinkled over applesauce.


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I do that for the children.  Right now they're all taking ProBerry sprinkled over applesauce.


lol not such a good idea for a four year old fructose malabsorbant that's type O.


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PC, I haven't done the research on raffinose or stacchiose, and I figured my article was getting too long already.  I don't see how allowing small amounts of FOS could be bad.  Fructans and galactans can be troublesome by themselves in large amounts, but according to the articles I've read, their biggest problem is the inhibitory effect on fructose, i.e. if you don't eat them with fructose they are much of a problem.
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It would seem that limiting is the key, but not for 4 weeks as a lot of sites seem to recommend but for up to 8 weeks. so cabbage, brussel sprouts green beans asparagus, chickpeas, lentils, red kidney beans and baked beans which all made Emily react should be avoided before or after blood type diet, maybe just in extremely sensitive people, but my theory would be if it effects them it will effect everyone but maybe not appear to.

and I'm looking at all Fodmaps. I have to cover everything as I'm not a doctor so don't want to miss anything even if trivial.

as all the sites seem to disagree, and I've read hundreds of reports, i have to rely on what Emily has reacted to, and a broad overlay of different diets including blood type and low fodmaps. Emily circles under her eyes are getting worse so i have to cover everything and have to do it fairly quickly so if I'm being overly cautious that's not a bad thing. my diet for her is a worst case diet.

tomorrow is her third day of pretty much protein only so low fodmap foods come back tomorrow after seeing paediatric specialist. also speaking to several dietitians and gastro people, all giving different information.

some say 3 days to clear stuff from her system I thinks it's longer but i don't want her off carbs for longer than absolutely necessary. especially as she can't seem to take supplements.

lots to read before tomorrow

again you might be different due to blood type or any number of things also.


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quote from notes (ref date Aug 2007). (just arranged chat with author of report tomorrow afternoon, after speaking with colleague - sounds encouraging).

sources of GALACTANS (such as raffinose and stacchyose)

are baked beans lentils, chickpeas, kidney beans, black eyed beans, borlotti beans, 4 bean mix, cabbage, brussel sprouts, green beans, yellow beans, butter beans. (up to date at aug 2007).


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