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I recently found a page whose author believes that all food sensitivities arise from only four basic problems:
    1) gluten intolerance
    2) dairy intolerance (casein allergy and lactose intolerance)
    3) fructose malabsorption
    4) yeast sensitivity
(registration required): http://foodintol.com/matrix.as.....amp;utm_campaign=FU1

From what I've learned so far, it makes better sense to me to reorganize those problems into:
    1) gluten intolerance
    2) casein intolerance
    3) sugar malabsorption (including lactose and fructose)
The first two cause leaky gut directly, and the last causing either bacterial overgrowth, or yeast overgrowth which then causes leaky gut.


So right now, I'm gluten-free, and I've gone casein-free to check for casein intolerance.  While I'm at it, I'm trying to kill off any yeast overgrowth AND do a colon cleanse.  With this new point of view, I'm going to be a bit more careful with how I reintroduce foods into my diet.

As much benefit as I've gotten from the BTD and GTD, I'm certain there is still something I haven't addressed yet, and I hope this will help me get to the bottom of it soon!  For you who are still "missing" something, I hope this will be useful to you also.
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Quoted from TJ
I recently found a page whose author believes that all food sensitivities arise from only four basic problems...

I don't believe as this author...  

Having been through serious allergy/sensitivity issues, anything that causes the body to become overly toxic will cause allergic/sensitivity symptoms.  This can include trauma, chemical exposure, drugs - prescription or not, wrong foods, disease, gut flora imbalance, etc...

Most of what you list are or can be symptoms, rather than causes...


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I recently found a page whose author believes that all food sensitivities arise from only four basic problems...
I don't believe as this author...  


It might be a good beginning.. to convince sufferers to at least try something.. new like BTD.. as they get interested (away from MD's ) then they will learn as they go.. p/s  I did not listen to the tape..


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Tj- Thanks for the insight. This was beneficial information, and much needed. I am also very cautious ( as other o's) about how much, what kind and when to digest specific fruits because of the high fructose amount. I noticed that pears are pretty high in fructose versus plums. I wonder if this is why I have some digestive issues after I eat a pear which do not seem normal.

Thanks again.
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Having been through serious allergy/sensitivity issues, anything that causes the body to become overly toxic will cause allergic/sensitivity symptoms.  This can include trauma, chemical exposure, drugs - prescription or not, wrong foods, disease, gut flora imbalance, etc...
To clarify, I meant to say non-allergy sensitivities (the author includes "casein allergy" but I think "casein intolerance" is more appropriate).  I wouldn't include chemicals, drugs, or trauma in this discussion.  Since gluten and casein intolerance and yeast overgrowth can cause leaky gut, they open the way for other food sensitivities (i.e. my problem with eggs).
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I am also very cautious ( as other o's) about how much, what kind and when to digest specific fruits because of the high fructose amount. I noticed that pears are pretty high in fructose versus plums. I wonder if this is why I have some digestive issues after I eat a pear which do not seem normal.
Are you referring to that wikipedia link on fructose malabsorption (however valid it may be )?  There is a nice example of foods that are are and not ok (including pears!).
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To clarify, I meant to say non-allergy sensitivities (the author includes "casein allergy" but I think "casein intolerance" is more appropriate).  I wouldn't include chemicals, drugs, or trauma in this discussion.  Since gluten and casein intolerance and yeast overgrowth can cause leaky gut, they open the way for other food sensitivities (i.e. my problem with eggs).
If you cut out all of the real problems, all you are dealing with are the symptoms of those problems and still not going to get to the root of the problem...  It doesn't appear that you are looking deep enough!



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very helpful, just another line to follow that fits M.

can i buy a breath hydrogen tester, how does that work exactly.

i will shortly have all Dr D's Books and one of his dads to, there all in the post ay the mo - but does the diabetic book suggest lowering foods high in fructose.



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google those......around 2000 dollars the one recommended by Dr D for clinical use.

Andrea got hers used for much less, you need to ask or google around for opportunities arising.


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but does the diabetic book suggest lowering foods high in fructose.


I would say it advocates fruits as every so often .. but experience for me( very limited) I find that it makes me ravenously hungry, and then I eat all things in sight.. for MY ADULT sugar issues .. .. I feel much better without all the sweets, even without the fruits reccomended.

but a child is maybe different.. I really don't know, but I would try only one item at a time.. and even then only limited to fruits highly or super beneficial to start..

Pineapple is the one fruit in both BTD and Gatherer.. beneficial .. so that would be easy..  maybe for a while it may be enough,, in juice,  or whole..  




  


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If you cut out all of the real problems....
Joe, my apologies that I didn't grasp your point the first time.

Toxins, other allergies, and trauma are NOT the only ways to develop other kinds of food sensitivities.  For some, those sensitivities are root causes in themselves.  If my small intestine is unable to transport fructose efficiently, or if it gets shredded by gluten or casein, does that necessarily imply that I have other hygienic issues to deal with?  It may be true for some, but others are simply "made that way".  As far as candida goes, you do have to dig deeper for that--perhaps down to fructose malabsorption.
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can i buy a breath hydrogen tester, how does that work exactly.

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Pineapple is the one fruit in both BTD and Gatherer.. beneficial .. so that would be easy..  maybe for a while it may be enough,, in juice,  or whole..
Interestingly, pineapple is listed as safe for those with fructose malabsorption, because it has more glucose than fructose, and the glucose facilitates the transport of fructose out of the gut.
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Oh My Goodness!!!! Thankyou again TJ!!! I so love to add up/connect the dots & I am tempted to feel stoked as I think my problems (ok not the mental ones, but then again  maybe even those too* ) seem connected to fructose malabsorption... & with diabetes in the family, this is no surprise...

(To me) it all makes so much sense - all my problem foods are high in fructose even (!!!) onions
The list is: leeks, onion, spring onion, asparagus, sorbitol, xylitol, dried fruit, honey, coconut, red ripe tomato, fruit juices, apple, pear, guava, honeydew melon, nashi fruit, pawpaw, papaya, quince, star fruit, watermelon...
Apparently, some effects of fructose malabsorption are decreased tryptophan*, folic acid and zinc in the blood...Interesting
& symptoms can be: diarrhea and/or constipation (at the risk of TMI... I don't get the former but I do sometimes fluctuate b/n being too loose, constipated & normal) & my Mother suffered from IBS...from the same types of food...

"Incidentally, the diagnostic test, is similar to that used to diagnose lactose intolerance. It is called a hydrogen breath test and is the method currently used for a clinical diagnosis. When a breath test cannot be performed, a stool test may be used."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose_malabsorption)
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Can someone join the dots - Emily seemed to have a copper deficiency and an Isoflavonoids deficiency. does that tie in at all.

Although i think with M, she has a few issues, chemical, fruit and veg and pollen / dust mites.

how do i supplement this area without adding to the problem?

specifically from hair test but not an exhaustive list below.

Avocado     Barley flour     Beef     Butter fat     Chickory     Cranberry     Eel     Fennel fresh     Green pepper     Hazel nut     Herring     Honey     Linseed     Oat flour     Papaya     Plum     Radish
Sardines     Sesame seed  
  

Non food items Non food items found to show an intolerance
-Ampicilloyl Is used in penicillin based drugs
-Budgie droppings
-Chicken droppings
-Duck feathers
-Formaldehyde Used as a preservative in vaccines. Can be applied in medicine to dry the skin, such as in the treatment of warts. Many aquarists use formaldehyde as a treatment for parasites.
-Isocyanate Used in the production of polyurethane. They create polyurethane foams, elastomers, paints or adhesives
-Marguerite
-Pepper tree
-Pigeon droppings
-Timothy pollen A type of grass pollen
-Storage Mite Linked to house dust mite normally found in more agricultural surroundings
-Swine Epithelium Epithelium is skin or cells
-Trichophyton A fungus found in athletes foot etc.
-Trimellitic anhydride A highly reactive chemical used commonly in the production of paints and plastics. It is also used in the production of dyes, insecticides and polyester resin.

Nutrition Deficiencies
The information is given just as a guideline not as a diagnosis.

Copper
Isoflavonoids




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I edited my first post to reflect the idea that yeast overgrowth stems from sugar malabsorption.
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Oh My Goodness!!!! Thankyou again TJ!!! I so love to add up/connect the dots & I am tempted to feel stoked as I think my problems (ok not the mental ones, but then again  maybe even those too* ) seem connected to fructose malabsorption... & with diabetes in the family, this is no surprise...
Lol, I have nine websites on fructose malabsorption open in my other browser window!  There's a lot of info to sift through!  Let me reassure you that most mental problems are just physical problems.  The mind = body + spirit/soul.  Our souls don't get depression, anxiety, paranoia, hallucinations, or any other kind of "crazy": those arise from weaknesses in the flesh.
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Can someone join the dots - Emily seemed to have a copper deficiency and an Isoflavonoids deficiency. does that tie in at all.
PC, I wish I could but I don't know much about hair testing.  Is Emily your partner?  Green peppers, papaya, honey, and chicory for some, are FM problem foods, so it may be part of the picture.


I plan to put together a little primer on FM, seeing how this is likely an issue not only for me but also for my brothers.  I've got to finish looking through what I've found, "digest" it , organize it, and connect some more of those dots.  I will plan on posting it here if/when I finish!  That will save others a lot of trouble researching.
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Thanks, Emily is my 4 year old daughter. very bad skin reaction to a few things - polyester, fruit, some vegetables and at some times pretty well everything upset her. she has calmed down a lot since BTD but reacts badly to fruit and carbs generally.
main skin issue on left cheek, but this is a weak area from scratching, neck, back, arms legs chest all can be spotty. apart from that a very healthy actie bright child.

eats like a horse and drinks like a fish. get very bad tempered shen noy instantly fed. lol


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For some, those sensitivities are root causes in themselves.  If my small intestine is unable to transport fructose efficiently, or if it gets shredded by gluten or casein, does that necessarily imply that I have other hygienic issues to deal with?  It may be true for some, but others are simply "made that way".
I hope you find the answer following this line of thinking...


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Pineapple is the one fruit in both BTD and Gatherer.. beneficial .. so that would be easy..  maybe for a while it may be enough,, in juice,  or whole..




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Interestingly, pineapple is listed as safe for those with fructose malabsorption, because it has more glucose than fructose, and the glucose facilitates the transport of fructose out of the gut


Interesting.. so there may be a difference between sugar and sugar???



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Avocado     Barley flour     Beef     Butter fat     Chickory     Cranberry     Eel     Fennel fresh     Green pepper     Hazel nut     Herring     Honey     Linseed     Oat flour     Papaya     Plum     Radish
Sardines     Sesame seed


am I to understand that these are NOT good for M?? My answer.. she has no need for any.. so why would it matter..

The same for the other stuff you mentioned.. no need for that either.. so in my mind what is the problem??.. ONCE you know the issue then stay away.. simple?? or am I not getting it??


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eats like a horse and drinks like a fish. get very bad tempered she not instantly fed.



I find that completely compatible with HYPOglycemia..    you can have that even without the diabetes marker.. and I would expect severe cases of it to be re-active to all sort of 'stimulants' ..
//// then again Hyperglycemia .. but she is so young and I am certain you did a 'fasting blood sugar' test already.. to rule out pre-diabetes!

I used to say if I have a vile temper.. then just feed me.. do it fast and it does not matter what it is.. any food.. wait 5 min and I will be fine..


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Oh, lightbulb!  "M" = "Emily", right?  That makes a lot more sense than "Menopause".

PC, could you fill me in on this hair testing and how it's used to determine sensitivities?
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I hope you find the answer following this line of thinking...
Who knows what the future holds.  This may be the bottom line for me, or it may be that I have to follow this road for a time before deeper problems can be uncovered and addressed.
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Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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In what way Goldie?
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thanks goldie very helful


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Hair test website

http://www.testyourintolerance.com/default.html

By the way these items listed below we got a reaction to using detailed exclusion diet. facial rupture and raised skin on other parts of bidy too.

Again pleae note that i think Emily has at least two issues one of which is fructose - have have her off wheat, dairy, corn, anyway and have had an improvement - we also follow BTD fairly compliantly except for birthday parties - which is when we get reaction the most.

actual tested challenge reaction from food include some may have underlying reaction form other things mixed with the food of course.

rainbow trout, Kale, Spinach, Parsley, Bananas, Butter, Avocado, chicory, peach, pear, apple, papaya, flax seed oil, carrots, parsnips, celery, leek, red grapefruit, Orange, melon, kiwi, strawberries, figs, guava, watermelon, sardines, sunflower oil (on anything = major reactions), some nuts, sometimes - almond but okay when roasted and small amount, walnuts the same, pumpkin seeds okay when Small amount. eggs sometimes depends on how cooked boiled get least reaction. spelt flour, some porridge, spring onions, onions, ginger, rice - depending on how much. brown rice even less. anything with citric acid or MSG, vinegar spice, bouillon cubes, even vegan supplement tals with b12 (thought to be "natural flavour or dextrose, sugar,), pizza, olives, baked beans, stock cubes, corn flour, raisins, dried apricots, some brands of puffed rice.

the list goes on.... but i think you get the idea.

things she does not generally react to are BTD - meat, fish, quinoa, not much else.


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actual tested challenge reaction from food include some may have underlying reaction form other things mixed with the food of course.

rainbow trout, Kale, Spinach, Parsley, Bananas, Butter, Avocado, chicory, peach, pear, apple, papaya, flax seed oil, carrots, parsnips, celery, leek, red grapefruit, Orange, melon, kiwi, strawberries, figs, guava, watermelon, sardines, sunflower oil (on anything = major reactions), some nuts, sometimes - almond but okay when roasted and small amount, walnuts the same, pumpkin seeds okay when Small amount. eggs sometimes depends on how cooked boiled get least reaction. spelt flour, some porridge, spring onions, onions, ginger, rice - depending on how much. brown rice even less. anything with citric acid or MSG, vinegar spice, bouillon cubes, even vegan supplementals with b12 (thought to be "natural flavour or dextrose, sugar,), pizza, olives, baked beans, stock cubes, corn flour, raisins, dried apricots, some brands of puffed rice.
Hmmm sounds like my list...So is this the list after the hair analysis? Any chance you could please PM the whole list, just for curiosity? Cheers...

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Difficult the list is embedded in eight months of food diary, detailed every fifteen minutes, you can imagine there is files and files of info. we just took the food item off out initial list of BTD foods. so kinda did it in reverse for information purposes. didn't think it would take so long.

we also have files on all sorts of other diets from vegan to fiengold salicylte etc all coded but the list are massive and mainly in paper format.

example below

25/02/2010
                                  Immediate             decryption                             other
time                             reaction Y/N         of reaction or observation      coments          notes
wake                                                        L CHEEK CLEAR R CHK RED
7.00 WATER                        N    

7.15 BANANA                      N?                   ROSY CHEEKS                                              TOILET 1
       (ORGANIC SALISBURY'S)

7.30                                                        
7.45
8.00 PORRIDGE                   N                                                                                         TOILET 2
8.15
830                                                         DRY LEFT CHEEK                     AQUEOUS CREAM +
8.45
9.00 HUNGRY                                           TANTRUM - VERY HOT
9.15 WATER                                                                                          DRY SPOT ON RIGHT
9.30                                                            
9.45 PORRIDGE ANOTHER FULL BOWL                                                    SHOULDER
10.00 APPLE (NO SKIN)           N               EYES GLAZED TIRED


JUST A SAMPLE TOO DIFFICULT TO FILL IN TABLES ON THIS BOARD.



26/02/2010
7.00 mIN LOVELY MOOD           RED BELOW LEFT EYE FROM SCRATVH LEFT CHEEK SLIGHTLY RED BUT SKIN NOT SCRATCHED, RIGHT CHEEK VERY SLIGHTLY RED BUT SKIN NOT BROKEN LIPS CHAPPED. SLIGHT COUGH AFTER BANANA AT 7.15 (ALSO POSSIBLE REACTION TO BANANA CONFIRMED





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