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Major
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Has anyone considered doing a Blood Type Diet/ Nutrient Value Encyclopedia for edible wild plants? You know - like wild potato vine, sassafras, acorns (white oak only), blue violets, the mallows, etc.

(OK, so you now know I'm a survivalist nut!)


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You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name.

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anything not listed, you can consider neutral unless you experience an adverse reaction

try the search feature right top corner of the page

sweet potato leaves have been tested and other cool varieties....not added to typebase though.....
new ratings appear in the GTD book and swami software

read all about these new things


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You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name.


Again, this question has nothing to do with any specific blood type, so...


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anything not listed, you can consider neutral unless you experience an adverse reaction


OK, so apparently the answer seems to be NO... would be something to consider in case the food chain (to some the local grocer, heh, heh) is "interrupted" and you must live off the land (the forests will be devoid of 'meat' quickly, then there's the cannibalism phase which soon expires...)


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(the forests will be devoid of 'meat' quickly, then there's the cannibalism phase which soon expires...)
maybe but most of the city folk would not know how to use a gun on anything other than another human to save their lives and they are so noisey the animals in q would hear them miles away. the biggest prob would be the city folk themselves converging on the country folk who know how to live and have their own supplys at hand. you might add brier tips to your list, they taste like asperagus.


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If this should happen (not saying it well) I don't think anyone is going to worry about what food is for what BT they will just be looking for food. I'm sorry I feel Lola is correct in asking about you blood type. If  wild foods get tested, it would help to know what blood type your were.

I'll be off this thread because I'd don't talk to strangers on the web.


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If this should happen (not saying it will) I don't think anyone is going to worry about what food is for what BT they will just be looking for food...


If it becomes long term and you want to actually survive to an old age or even if you are already old and want to stay healthy, then nutrition will become more important than just "findin' somethin' to eat"  



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...you might add brier tips to your list, they taste like asperagus.


Greenbrier shoots can be cooked and served like asparagus, the roots made into a gelatin substitute and into jellies, leaves make a good salad or cooked greens, their powder can be made into flour or sweetened into a tea - be prepared.



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FINALLY got a blood test lab requisition form from my doctor to get the Lewis Antigen test done. Had to educate the 'q u a c k' on what this is all about before he'd cooperate. He tried to say these 'anytest' walk-in labs could do any blood test I might need, but even those guys are clueless and once explained they don't do that type test (only the more commonly used tests that make money, apparently...).

OK, the next thing is "why not just do the saliva test" - EVERY time I brush, my old fart gums bleed a bit and any blood in the saliva WILL cause a false 'secretor' test result if one happens to be a non-secretor... and I don't have much money to waste being retired and all.

Anyway, perhaps some day in the future I'll have a question where my blood type is pertinent and this great mystery will be solved for ya


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Probably wouldn't be too hard to guess your type Major, lol.

As far as the wild plants go, I think I'd probably look at the Latin names for them and compare to the Latin names for the domesticated variety, after all, the domesticated plant came from the wild one in the first place.

Next thing I might try is experiment on myself, I have a pretty good gauge as to what my body likes/dislikes.

BTW, I lived my life for 25 years ready for the world to end, finally decided I'd rather just LIVE MY LIFE!!!!!   


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...I think I'd probably look at the Latin names for them and compare to the Latin names for the domesticated variety, after all, the domesticated plant came from the wild one in the first place...


So something like the white oak acorn became the domesticated plant know as...

btw - it's not the 'end of the world' most survivalists actually prepare for - it's economic collapse, national disasters, a need to 'bug-out', and generally things which last a long time but not necessarily mean the "end of times"... but of course none of these things could EVER happen, eh?


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So something like the white oak acorn became the domesticated plant know as...

btw - it's not the 'end of the world' most survivalists actually prepare for - it's economic collapse, national disasters, a need to 'bug-out', and generally things which last a long time but not necessarily mean the "end of times"... but of course none of these things could EVER happen, eh?


There are some plants that weren't domesticated or changed such as your example of Quercus alba, & cattail, Indian potato, etc. but I bet you could figure out quite a bit if you started to study. Many other plants are the wild version of our domesticated crops, like wild onion (be careful you pick the right one!), mushrooms, grains, fruits....

You don't need my permission to 'bug-out', do what you want, I just got tired of worrying about it. I also remember meeting (and liking) a family of "survivalists", a short time after I met them the wife died in a flash flood - I hope she lived her life the way she wanted.


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A few edible wild plants are also medicinal wild plants - another 'survival' concern (especially in 'surviving' this world of pharmaceutical nightmares...) and helpful in supplementing the homeopathic and herbal remedies of one's prepardness kit. True there's probably not a big demand for this area of BTD research, but perhaps there should be.  


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sounds like you already have a BT encyclopedia, right?


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who needs Greenbrier shoots when you ve got BROCCOLI RAAB, RAPINI to enjoy!!


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they don't sell eather of those items here lola. if i wanted raab or rapini i would have to grow it myself.
having my own food is why i raise goats. i did not know you could make gelatin from the roots. how dose that work? do you have a recape? is this something you do with the roots powdered?
see here is one of the places bt comes in becuse gelatin is an avoid for o's, as you can see from my sheild i am one, and i look for subs for many things i have used in the past. if i asked for this answer in paticular every one could give me dozzens of answers and waist alot of time becuse half or more would not work for me. but if you like secracy that is your bussnes.
if i were to make the list you propose i would first test them on me and right down as a diary how my body reacted, then i might try the same things on friends of differnt blood types and record their bodies reactons. dr.d has been doing this with more coventional foods for years becuse the more obscure or lesser known foods are not accesable to every one. i have seen many q's about asian foods i have never heard of and even people who live here would eye ball us if we told them about all the local foods in their own back yards they could eat.
this is, medacly speaking, a new line of medacine and there are litterly thousands of things out there that people eat to test. hopefully as this is recognised by the rest of the med comunaty more people will begin adding to the already huge body of research and available data. in the mean time we will just have to do a little testing on our own...and oh look at this useful and freindly forrum  were we can share out results!


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I had them at the CT conference.....excellent!


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Battle Dwarf: The Greenbriar roots produce an edible gelatin (or just used as some type of thickener for other food dishes) when they are crushed and strained, cleaned and dried. The gelatin may also be combined with tannic acid for use as an ointment for burns and abrasions.  Greenbriar berries can also be used in the creation of inks and dyes.

Lola: A "BT encyclopedia" is online as: Blood Type Diet/ Nutrient Value Encyclopedia...(http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typeindexer.htm)
Also, as far as "who needs Greenbrier shoots when you ve got BROCCOLI RAAB, RAPINI to enjoy" - well, we're talking about "wild plants" found during survival efforts (or at least I think that's what this thread was about).


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Lola: A "BT encyclopedia" is online as: Blood Type Diet/ Nutrient Value Encyclopedia...(http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typeindexer.htm)


That's not the same as the book, check it out http://www.amazon.com/Right-Yo.....272719444&sr=1-1


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ok great, but I really like concentrating on the now.....
my biggest concern is following my plan according to Dr D s principles and making good use of all his invaluable science, that alone keeps me real busy!!

and as far as who needs wild plants......we are all free to try whatever isn t listed......consider neutral, and do our own investigation...

here s a bit of wild for you, but it refers to the genoma line of skin care products......
skin is our biggest organ

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Carefully blended with all-natural, wild-crafted, and organic botanicals

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my mother has the encyclpedia. it is very exstenive on more than just food. it also covers health protocals and suplaments for many problems.it also tells some of the resones certain foods are avaoided by differnt blood types. after we read the bt book and before we got geno we bought the encylopedea to use as our referance becuse we have a couple of deiffernt blood types to work with and each of us had differnt health related problems to sort out. it is bt based so when mom got geno she went through and made all the changes and additions for that so it realy could be a one need book.


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it s like having the BT/GT, and all the health series yellow pages at your fingertips.....

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That's not the same as the book, check it out http://www.amazon.com/Right-Yo.....272719444&sr=1-1


So, is the online food list more current than the book - or vice versa?


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I believe the food lists in the encyclopedia coincide with the online typebase

errata from the books are also found online, just use your search feature


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maybe we just like "real" pages to turn, but it always seems faster to open the book and find the whole protocal or supplament base, and a better chance of seeing somthing else you might have missed before while thumbing through.


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It is also all very relative, there are plants you find in supermarkets in some countries that  grow in the wild and in some cases may be even be considered weeds in others.  Some had already find their way into the BT typebase and our lists: Kudzu, dandelion, taro, tahitian spinach, ....  So, even in survavilist situations, some of us could still be true to type.  

We are also always encouraged to submit names of plants and weeds and herbs that are consumed by anyone in our local area.  There is a sticky thread you will find in these forums 'Food choices for all' where you have the opportunity to submit your feedback relating to any food item you know of that is not on the list.  It can then be put into the summary table 'Summary table for Food choices for all' (I think that is the correct name of the thread) to be considered for analysis and typing in due time.     




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yeah, I ve become an expert in kudzu spotting since the release of GTD....
soon I ll be ready to raid my mom s garden for the elephant ears!!!


also the turnip greens and sweet potato leaves and beet greens.....all are thrown away in the large traditional market places down here......and those don t even arrive into the more sophisticated supermarkets......greens are all chopped off before

I d have to roam around the country farms and orchards and pick those up directly from the farmers.....

we all need to go back to Voltaire's own view on gardening
an important pastime of his own, it being an extraordinarily effective way to keep busy.

many of you are blessed having your own produce


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tahitian spinach? would that be like our spinace only more heat tolerent? if so i'll take some!


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bd, it is a tropical vegetable from the Taro family.  You will find further details in my last post in the 'Research on Food choices for All' thread.  




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won't grow here then? i got tarro from kroger and it started to grow befor i could eat them all. i was almost tempted to just plant the last ones for the summer.


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May be you can.  I find this link that identifies it as predominantly suitable for an alpine, continental, mediterranean plant?  Some suggestions to grow it in containers.  No photos, but it is indicating the right scientific name.  Not sure what your climate is like there ...  
http://www.gardening.eu/arc/plants/Apartment-Plants/Xanthosoma-brasiliense-Desf.-Engl/73352/




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elephant ears?
kind of ambiguous


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right now it is warm and humid with cooler nights latter it will juse be hot and humid and then we will go back to winter and freeze over for a couple of weeks with very little snow but probly a good deal of ice. summer=good for plants excepte for that couple of months of drought, winter=fairly mild exsept for those three or four weeks of freezzing cold and ice storms.
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elephant ears?
kind of ambiguous


It looks like it, apparently there are many different species of Taro, this is one of them, the one with the least toxicity!  I still will only harvest the leaves from the young plant, or the new shoots on the older plant.




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two separate listings for me
Malanga, Tannier, Xanthosoma carbs
Taro Leaves, Shoots live foods


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Correct!  The first three are the tubers (roots)
Leaves and shoots (greens).     In Sync here Lola:    




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so if I dig under my mom s elephant ears, I get my taro?


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There is an invasive weed called Russian Garlic Mustard which I've been pulling up (carefully, cause the root snaps off easily ) for years that I just got around to googling and found out it is edible. I figure it's neutral for me but. I ate some raw after the day I had it sautee'd with apparently no problem and while I'm not sure, the day I ate it raw I felt blockage on my left side at night and into the next day. There is old appendix lore about this vestigial organ being needed for vegetation digestion in forebears. Left side...Hmmmm Don't know perhaps I activated it or something.
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so if I dig under my mom s elephant ears, I get my taro?

or you can tag and pull at her young elephant ears, give them a good wash, cook and enjoy them!!  

Throughly research wild plants before consuming!!  The story of this young man that decided to live in the Alaskan or Canadian wildeners (my memory fails me here), surviving on just what he could collect, comes to mind.  For days he was eating these wild weeds believing it to be something else, when in reality he was slowly poisoning himself with a very look-alike plant!!  By the time he realised it was too late, the damage was irreversible and fatal.  They find him dimised one or two days after the last entry in his dairy!!     Nature provides for all creatures  great and small, but it is up to us to pick wisely from its pantry ..   




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... the day I ate it raw I felt blockage on my left side at night and into the next day. There is old appendix lore about this vestigial organ being needed for vegetation digestion in forebears. Left side...Hmmmm Don't know perhaps I activated it or something.
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The appendix is usually on the right side of the lower abdomen...


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those stems resemble sponge according to Kent.....
not yet there


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see here is one of the places bt comes in becuse gelatin is an avoid for o's, as you can see from my sheild i am one, and i look for subs for many things i have used in the past.


Gelatin isn't an avoid for Os. It's neutral.http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?51


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try finding a kosher kind other than pork based.


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I've seen kosher fish gelatin in some mail-order places, but I've never actually bought any. Mostly it's listed as an ingredient in things like marshmallows.

Gelatin is also a natural component of bone broths- I get plenty of gelatin in my diet but without actually buying it as a refined powder.


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Appendix. Right side. Got it. Thanks ABJoe! Not sure why I thought it was the left. right side, right side, right side.......
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pretty sure it was avoid for gatherers. i think it ment the jello pudding type stuff   i don't know, not really a fan of it any how.


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Appendix. Right side.


Yep, that's where my scar is and so I no longer have one



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wonder what would be on the left side to hurt? just above the hip joint but not the joint itself and to the right of the hip bone.


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I've gotten gas pains in that spot. Also maybe your ovary? Perhaps you ovulated the day you ate the raw greens and it was just a coincidence?


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wonder what would be on the left side to hurt? just above the hip joint but not the joint itself and to the right of the hip bone.


The colon descends there and the small intestine has parts there...


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Very interesting thread... Slightly off on a tangent (ok I know I'm good at that ) but... What about insects?
Watched a cooking show last night & they were serving different courses of protein in the form of insects... Wonder if in the future this might ever have to sustain us
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Chocolate covered ants. remember those. Guess we'd want Dark Chocolate today.


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in places in africa peaple catch a kind of mayfly and make fried patties out of them. saposed to tase a bit like pop corn. they also eat fried trmintes.
i think i would be desperat to try it with all the wildlife running around me here.  


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