perhaps you might wish to google aeronautics and compare the formula???

I am only interested in the one added to my food.....

as with vegetable glycerin......who knew it is the same as the one added to facial cream and cosmetics???

by comparing the formula, or chemical composition, you can know if it s one and the same
in this case, it is glycerol.....

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Dr D
Glycerine is the only effective humectant that can be used by non-secretors, since it can be shunted to either fat metabolism or glucose production, depending on metabolic status. Glycerine can be a carb on occasion, a fat precursor on occasion, a phosphoglyceride precursor on occasion, and it can simply pass through the body unused. [In other words, it fills the body's energy need of the moment, without jarring serum sugar levels or stimulating fat storage.] For non-secretors, this is perfect. Thus, although it is there [in the food bars] for moisture retention,
it also tends to optimize fat<->carb<->fat conversion which is genetically a problem with non-secretors.

Glycerine is plain old CH2OHCHOHCH2OH or glycerol, nothing more

I am sure Dr D is only listing the food grade Carrageenan ??  

perhaps Dr D uses it to fly his swami Boeing!!!

Quoted from Maja

The factual distinction is whether there is a difference between food-grade carrageenan and carrageenan used for de-icing airplane wings!

There are several species of seaweed used for carrageenan production. Their different characteristics influence the suitability of derived carrageenan in food manufacturing. A food technologist will specify the type of seaweed and the processing to create a desired product.

The difference between carrageenan for food products and industrial products is related to the purity of product and what else is put with it.

For instance, carrageenan products use for airplane deicing contain only a small amount of carrageenan (usually 5% or less). The products are mostly glycol. Making it unsuitable for use in food.

Greetings all:

Lola and C_Sharp . . . you both have an impressive amount of information about this stuff --

Thanks for making it available to the rest of us.

Regards,

Maja

So if a food item says "carrageenan from Irish Moss", does that make it OK since Irish Moss is OK?

If Carrageenan is an avoid in your list and Irish Moss is an allowed food, I will still avoid anything that lists Carrageenan (even though it comes from Irish Moss ) and only include in my diet the live version of Irish Moss.  Countless times Dr D has noted the difference in ratings for live foods and concentrated food ... Carrageenan being a Condiment/additive is a concentrated food that obviously changes its rating compare to the live source ...  

Carrageenan is always from Irish Moss.

Quoted from C_sharp

Carrageenan is always from Irish Moss.

That's what I thought

Ok, I updated my last post to say 'even though it comes from Irish Moss' instead of 'whether it comes from Irish Moss or not'  

Has anyone actually seen Irish Moss available fresh?

Quoted from Drea

Has anyone actually seen Irish Moss available fresh?

Never. I presumed that was because I did not live in Ireland. It actually grows other place along the Atlantic coast (but no Atlantic coast in Indiana).

Here it is dried:

http://www.amazon.com/Fresh-Whole-Irish-Raw-Wildcrafted/dp/B002EUZEVY

The same as with sun-dried tomatoes, dried apricots, spirulina, wakame ... irish moss can be eating dried ...  

correction, maybe I should say that it can be purchased dried, then soaked ...

The fact that carageen is used to de-ice airplane wings has absolutely nothing to do with its suitability as a food. Water is used as an industrial solvent and coolant, yet I include it in my diet!

Hopefully not tap water?
Don't you think that water is a little less innocuous than a substance that de-ices aeroplane wings
Isn't that a little like comparing water to coke yet coke can (or certainly could)  be used to strip grease of overalls...

I've seen (and eaten) fresh Irish Moss at Cafe Gratitude.  They use it in many of their vegan recipes...my son loves that place because he can eat all the desserts.  

My son reacts badly to carrageenan (tummy ache and diarrhea) but didn't have any trouble after eating (and eating a lot of) the desserts there.

I just am looking at this Organic Good Karma brand - Whole Grain Ricemilk I've been drinking and it has this Carrageenan as one of the last ingredients.  So how much can possibly be in this milk?  Must be a very small amount.  

I'll have to wean myself off it slowly if I need to as it's the only alternative milk source I use and I sadly don't have time to make homemade rice milk right now.  

I can't have soy and almond milk has the same issues.  I'm thinking I"ll check into the Rice Dream someone mentioned in this thread not containing this Carrageenan anymore.

We all need to make this diet work with our lives. If you're overall in good health, and don't see any obvious ill effects from the carrageenan, then this may be a compromise you're willing to live with. But if you have health issues that aren't resolving, you may need to be more strict. Certainly, if there's a brand available that's healthier, you should get that one.

Carrageenan is a fairly concentrated food; it's always used in small amounts (fractions of a teaspoon per cup of liquid) so the fact that it's listed last in the ingredient list doesn't mean much. How much salt, in volume, do you need to make a food high in sodium?

I feel differently about the avoid oils found in some rice milks. Oils are usually consumed by the tablespoonful, so a gram of oil per cup of rice milk truly is a tiny portion (and we dont' even know how much of the oil content may be from the natural rice oil to begin with.) I avoid the "avoid" oils if I can (which is why I personally make my own, well, that plus saving money) but I  don't feel so strongly about consuming it occasionally.

Good points Ruthiegirl

the bigger the issue, in your case, arthritis, the more compliant you should try being, for your swami to work right for you!!
the tiny amounts of avoids may be hindering your positive results.....think about it

I haven't noticed that ricemilk (Rice Dream) contains carrageenan. Instead it has sunflower oil.

In the package of Finnish organic cream:
"Carrageenan is a gum of plant which make the homogenizing of the milk (or cream) unnecessary."

As we say in Finland:
"Swamp there, squishy here."

What do you say about (opti-)MSM? That should be a healthy sulfur product.

use the search window top right.....
like so, and decide
http://www.google.com/custom?q.....itesearch=dadamo.com

First time on the forum...  Question: Is the SWAMI for anyone to use or is it just for the professional folks like ND's & nutritionists, etc?