Vegetarian capsules typically are made out cellulose, but as with anything else one needs to check the ingredients to know.

Aaah of course...they usually say that... Cheers C_sharp

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used "in the making of rennet-free gelatin (carrageen), preferred by vegetarians, since true gelatin is an animal product."

one of the many reasons to choose DPN over so many caps out there.....

I stopped eating ANYTHING with carrageenan in it about a year ago.  It gives me crazy gastrointestinal unhappiness.  I definitely have a sensitive digestive system, but it is known to cause problems in "normal" people as well.  I've read some nasty things about it.   Be sure to read labels for everything, not just foods; carageenan is in a lot of supplements too.  It can also be found in toothpaste, but unless you're dining on oral hygiene products , I don't know that toothpaste would be a problem.

well............................  For weeks now I have not had any icecream.. so maybe I can say I no longer eat any unless its in mayo?? need to look?? should not have that anyway.. I am looking to replace salad dressings.. even though I have given up most .. I still wish for some here and there..

But to think we feed kids with store bought foods becomes ever more ridiculous!  buy fresh.. cook fresh it does not take long to cook fresh.. fo O's no more then 10 minutes on the outside for a fam of 4..

saves me money in every way..

as O I can talk but for other types.. I still say save money buy fresh.. cook fresh.. its worth it..

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It's in practically EVERYTHING. How in the world do you eat a balanced diet--on a tiny budget no less--and stay away from this stuff? Kroger has a natural foods section, but most of it is horrendously expensive. And there's still carrageenan in some of it.

By not using many packaged products. A bag of almonds, which can make 2 gallons of almond milk, is cheaper than buying 2 quarts of carageenan-laced almond milk in a box. There are no weird additives in fresh produce, eggs, meat, dried beans, uncooked grains, or flours. Many frozen vegetables and fruits,  and canned goods (fruits, veggies, fish) are also "clean," but you have to read labels carefully. Chocoolate chips are fairly "clean" and rather inexpensive, and they make homemade baked goods much more appealing to the kids.

Since giving up sugar and wheat, I also (inadvertently) gave up processed foods. I'm with ruthie, buy foods in their purest forms and you'll not have to worry about additives or avoids sneaking in where you don't want them. Also, I read labels on everything, whether ingested or not. It's become habit.

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..and their body is used to compromising from the abuse..almost freaks when there's nothing there to abuse it anymore, and we start getting anxiety, depression and angry. The body is an interesting little house for our souls isn't it?

It sure is, Mayflowers.  We store so much bad stuff in our bodies over the years, toxic feelings and toxic substances, that if we took it all away at once we might disintegrate.  Fortunately, the body has its own wisdom.  Dr. D.'s advice to start out by concentrating on eating beneficials before taking away avoids seems intelligent.  We have to start building up before we can start tearing down.  I'm a cold turkey type myself - because my personality is "I want it right now!"  I'm impatient for the next event, but a step at a time and being attentive to our bodies in the here and now is the healthier way to go.  I did a clean sweep of my pantry a couple of weeks ago and got rid of most of the packaged/prepared foods.  The Boys Scouts were doing a food drive so I bagged it up for them.  I felt kind of guilty about it because I knew they weren't really healthy - Rice a roni and Zatarains beans & rice, Near East Cous Cous, boxes of pasta, jars of sauce, stuff like that.  Not unhealthy things in themselves, BT depending of course, but who knows what additives throw in.  Throwing it away when there are so many hungry people now seemed a crime, though, in view of the increasingly difficult to meet demands on our city food pantry.    I suppose one would tolerate carageenen or citric acid when there's no other choice...but I don't like that the fact that there is no other choice, nor the attitude of, "Here's my junk, it's good enough for you," even though I doubt many of the food pantry's clients are doing BTD anyway.  Gah!  I'm feeling a little depressed today about the state of our society.

Greetings all:

I am perplexed by this thread and the research quoted . . .

I wonder if distinctions are being lost . .

Edensoy (whose products I do not use), posted information about carrageenan distinguishing between food-grade and non-food grade products.  

According to this source (and I don't know how credible it is), food grade carrageenan is perfectly safe; it is the non-food grade carrageenan that has been shown --  when ingested in huge quantities -- to be a carcinogen.

Carrageenan may be an avoid for most or all of us .  .. but is a bit of jelly from seaweed really so dangerous as this discussion implies . . .?

Remember, apple seeds contain arsenic.

Regards,

Maja

your body knows best!

to each their own......some perceive avoids drastically, other s less susceptible, do not

it is what it is, and again......individuality is here to stay!

no need for you to be perplexed.....simply consider the many nonnies posting,
and rejoice in your secretorhood!

Lola:

Thanks for this distinction -- one I don't usually think about -- the difference between secretor and non-secretor . . .

Emphasizes, as you say, how indvidual we are!

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Regards,

Maja

How can you realistically not?  

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Greetings all:

I am perplexed by this thread and the research quoted . . .

I wonder if distinctions are being lost . .

Edensoy (whose products I do not use), posted information about carrageenan distinguishing between food-grade and non-food grade products.  

According to this source (and I don't know how credible it is), food grade carrageenan is perfectly safe; it is the non-food grade carrageenan that has been shown --  when ingested in huge quantities -- to be a carcinogen.

Carrageenan may be an avoid for most or all of us .  .. but is a bit of jelly from seaweed really so dangerous as this discussion implies . . .?

If you are a nonnie then possibly (highly likely) yes, yes yes!! Also I always ask myself when reading info re products, additives, etc - is the response unbiased? Do Eden soy put carrageenan in their product? If the answer is yes, then you can assume they would defend it...

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How can you realistically not?  

how can you not what?

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The worst offender is the herb Irish moss
because it is pure carrageenan.

This is perplexing as Irish Moss is a diamond on my swami.

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This is perplexing as Irish Moss is a diamond on my swami.

See concurrent thread "You are unfortunate enough". It's exactly what I just posted! SWAMI/Dr. D'Adamo is calling it a superfood, while others say it's unmitigated poison that no one should ever ingest. Wow.

I think we are talking two different things.

Your SWAMI should have an entry for carragenan that has been processed to be used a food thickener and emulsifier.

There should be another entry for an unprocessed seaweed - Irish moss.

Same plant but it changes rating when it is processed.


I have never used the plant or the extracted product.

I have drank beverages with carrageenan and that does not agree with me.

Carrageenan is an avoid under carbohydrates
Iris Moss is a superfood under Live Foods

That is in my daughters Swami, she is A+, non-secretor, A2, MM and with thyroid issues...

like soy, good for some, toxic for others

and it s processed lecithin, also has different values....

I do not find this either perplexing or utterly alarming....
it is, what it is.....

I Moss is also a diamond in mine
and C a toxin, no biggie

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like soy, good for some, toxic for others

and it s processed lecithin, also has different values....

I do not find this either perplexing or utterly alarming....
it is, what it is.....

I Moss is also a diamond in mine
and C a toxin, no biggie

I'm with you!   A "toxin" doesn't have to be, as you say, a "biggie".

one man s toxin is another man s beneficial

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Anytime you want to induce mucosa inflammation (for example, to test an anti-inflammatory drug) you subcutaneous inject carageenan. Carrageenan-induced edema is a biphasic event, with early hyperemia due to the release of histamine and serotonin and the delayed oedema due to the release of bradykinin and prostaglandin.

So, if it does not amplify lectin mediated events, it induces the mucosal changes that eventually will provide the environment for lectin activity.
Dr. D

The thing to have clear in here is that we should not make the assumption that because Carraagenan is a toxic, Irish Moss should also be ... They are two different products/food items and Dr D is treating them as such ... it is Ok to ask too, it is all a learnig process for all of us ...  

Greetings all:

I think  there is a possible factual distinction not addressed in this discussion -- which is important for all who wish to learn -- and in addition to whether a particular food may be toxic for some and beneficial for others -- a point on which we all agree.

The factual distinction is whether there is a difference between food-grade carrageenan and carrageenan used for de-icing airplane wings!

Hoping to learn more.

Regards,

Maja