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What does "Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins." actually mean? what does it do to your body? Maybe this was answered in the book but I loaned my book out years ago and never have gotten it back.


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It means the proteins fall out of the serum (the blood).
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It means the proteins fall out of the serum (the blood).


And what does that do? What are the proteins doing in your blood?


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agglutination.....

http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Agglutinate

clumping can in fact lead to pathology, or inflammation.....


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And what does that do? What are the proteins doing in your blood?


The blood caries proteins and other things throughout the body to where it is needed. It is the primary means of moving nutrients, waste products and so on from where they are to where they are needed. If the proteins fall out of solution (blood) then they are not being moved where they need to be.

That would be a very basic and not entirely correct biology lesson. If you would care to study the subject further, there is much information on the net and in libraries.

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Thanks for you answers, I'm just wanting to understand this better in layman's terms. The science boggles me and I don't have patients for it. I guess I'm wondering what happens to these proteins that "fall out of the blood" were do they go? are they cleaned up by the liver and kidneys? are they floating around in the bloodstream and clogging up arteries? And does it matter if you loose some proteins if you have enough from other sources?


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Those would be good questions to do further research on if you have the interest.  
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Inflammation, elevated CRP and sed rates.


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Those would be good questions to do further research on if you have the interest.  


That is why I was asking the questions on "The Eat Right for (4)Your  Type Forums Page" under "Diet and Nutrition" hmmmmm, thought it would be a good place to ask, OH WELL.


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Right here on the tabs at the top.

http://www.dadamo.com/science.htm


or a simple search of medline produces these results, some of it is hard to understand but the more you read things like this the better you get at it.

fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=ws">http://scholar.google.com/scho.....amp;hl=en&tab=ws


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That is why I was asking the questions on "The Eat Right for (4)Your  Type Forums Page" under "Diet and Nutrition" hmmmmm, thought it would be a good place to ask, OH WELL.


Asking questions is one way to learn. Answering them is perhaps a better way. Since the questions you asked are not basic BTD but actually somewhat advanced biology, the person who does the research is the person who gets the most benefit. You have the option of reaping this benefit, rather than just accepting what someone else says.

Once you are pointed in the right direction, natural curiosity should be a motivating factor.
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hope this helps clarify
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Flocculation is really a precipitin reaction.

http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Precipitin

Precipitins mostly lead to immune complexes, combinations of antigen (mostly
but not always blood group antigens) and antibody.

http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Immune_complex

In addition to depositing in the tissues, immune complexes typically activate
complement, a series of corrosive enzymes that are an end-game for the immune
system:


http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Complement_System


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Lloyd do not be so hard on Samy and other newbies.   I have a science background and I have to read and re-read to understand some of these concepts.  It would be nice if there was a simplified basic explanation somewhere for the general public to grasp.  Most people have never heard the term flocculates before.  My 1st reaction was Say again, it does WHAT to my body?


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thanks RL
Those of us without a science background are at a disadvantage when browsing through the materials.
However, I find it an advantage when I'm reading labels at the grocery,if I cannot pronounce it I don't eat it!


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Lloyd do not be so hard on Samy and other newbies.   I have a science background and I have to read and re-read to understand some of these concepts.  It would be nice if there was a simplified basic explanation somewhere for the general public to grasp.  Most people have never heard the term flocculates before.  My 1st reaction was Say again, it does WHAT to my body?


Perhaps you would care to provide an explanation then.  

My point before, now and always is that it is best to do research of your own at the level you can do it at rather than ask people who don't understand it particularly well themselves.

Once a person shows enough interest to continue beyond a simple explanation it is better for them to spend the time on the research. I have encouraged that in my own, loveable way.  

Contributions are more valuable than complaints. If you have a complaint, PM me personally and we can discuss it further.
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OK, so I never intended to get anyone upset. I have been following the BTD for so long it just comes naturally for me, but if someone were to browse the site and see "flocculates...." They might just turn and run the other way, or not, don't know for sure. I"m following this way of eating based on my intuition rather than my knowledge of science. Still it would be nice to have some of the science translated into plain english. I can go to dictionary.com and find that:
Flocculates=v.   tr.

   1. To cause (soil) to form lumps or masses.
   2. To cause (clouds) to form fluffy masses.

v.   intr.
To form lumpy or fluffy masses.
serum=      the clear, pale-yellow liquid that separates from the clot in the coagulation of blood; blood serum.
precipitates=Chemistry, To cause (a solid substance) to be separated from a solution.
proteins=n.   Any of a group of complex organic macromolecules that contain carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and usually sulfur and are composed of one or more chains of amino acids. Proteins are fundamental components of all living cells and include many substances, such as enzymes, hormones, and antibodies, that are necessary for the proper functioning of an organism. They are essential in the diet of animals for the growth and repair of tissue and can be obtained from foods such as meat, fish, eggs, milk, and legumes.

String that altogether and it still doesn't give a clear picture as to what is happening in my body when I eat cassava chips.

This thread was an attempt to get someone to translate things. A key of some kind would be nice.
After all I know what it means to: sl2tog aiftk, k1, p2ssoo ssk on RS and ssp on WS. But would you be able to figure it out if you had no prior knowledge of simple knitting and no key to go by?
I don't mean to pick on you Lloyd, I'd just like the whole thing to be a bit more user friendly rather than "thou shalt not eat this because of blah, blah blah". Maybe more like, "you shouldn't eat this because it form clumps in your blood and they don't flow through your veins very well that way"-or whatever. I like the diet, it has worked for me and I believe in it. It's just a bit intimidating to have terms like "flocculates"(even the spell check on this board doesn't like floccualtes )used to describe what is happening.


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Samy, try this link. Maybe you can translate it down to understandable language.

http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Flocculation

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A precipitation reaction occurs as a result of the combination of antibodies in solution with soluble substances with which the antibodies react. If such a precipitation reaction occurs in vivo in the joints or the kidney, inflammation results because the immune complexes are filtered out in those areas, causing irritation.


That at least is a partial explanation. There is much more information on the net on other sites, as Andrea has shown. Lola has also provided similar information.

It would be nice to have a layman's translation of some of the things on the site. They take time and effort from someone, from someone who has the time and effort to give. We could always use more volunteers. When people have enough interest to research and to follow through on their own interests, that is where it starts.
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OK, so when I am really bored, which will be whenever it is snowing and I'm not working , I'll read these articles and try to make heads or tails out of them, but then I'm going to come back here and see if my translations are accurate or make any sense at all for that matter.


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there are a few u tube btd videos showing and explaining the flocculation, agglutination, pathology process of wrong lectins in the body.
besides all these videos being very nicely done and illustrative.

also fun to watch while learning something new at the same time!
check them out!


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"you shouldn't eat this because it agglutinates certain organs, causing inflammation and probably pathology.''

this is what keeps me away from consuming avoids free willingly!

this is easy for me to visualize......


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OK, when I'm somewhere with a great connection (like my favorite coffee shop) I'll check out the youtube videos, thanks!


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I thought I chimmed in on this but never saw the post I worked somewhat hard on so I'm going to try again because it hasn't been mentioned so far. If I'm mistaken I'm sure I'll be informed of my error but here goes:
I read in one of the BTD books about the kidneys and all the things we unknowingly end up doing to them before we die. Bad things. We start our existence with these amazing organs which have the filtration index of 100% and gradually let them loose function. We actively do this by eating many things which this diet gives us a heads up on to avoid. Many of the mysterious  changes that take place in our blood stream result in kidney debilitating events. The plumbing gets clogged and it never gets unclogged and at the end of the road there just isn't the filtration capacity needed to keep all the other systems working free of debris. To understand this is to respect the notion of the BTD. Look at the healthiest example and long living translation onward and kidney failure is frequently cited as the cause of death.
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Thanks, carnivsrus! That is good input. My understanding of the potential issues resulting from flocculation include those of the kidneys.
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Thanks Carnivsrus.  So if we eat avoids then the plumbing gets clogged up with all these lumped together masses and the kidney filtration system is less efficient.  Like if you dont clean the filter on your furnace, then it will not heat up the house as well and lets dust gets through into the ducts which contributes to your allergies.  


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That's a great explanation, RedLilac...the residue from avoids will clog our filtration system and lead to toxicity...the beneficials and neutrals obviously leave no residue.

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OK RL and Chloe, that's what I'm talking about!! I think some people misunderstood my point when I started this thread, I understand the diet's basic principles, I was trying to find good analogies for new people so they wouldn't get bogged down with words like "floccutales".


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Taking advantage of simple search procedures is a really fast way to get extra info. Actually, by googling "flocculation kidney" this page turns up, showing some cool pics:

http://www1.indstate.edu/thcme/PSP/labtests/precip.htm

No one has tried to explain the inflammation part yet, which is what I have seen in lit.  
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OK RL and Chloe, that's what I'm talking about!! I think some people misunderstood my point when I started this thread, I understand the diet's basic principles, I was trying to find good analogies for new people so they wouldn't get bogged down with words like "floccutales".


Well, samy, You have certainly gotten your point across to newbies who are searching
"flocculation".....By opening this discussion, look how clearly this subject was explained in laymen's terms.  Good job!  



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I wouldn't venture to say that eating right leaves no residue. In a frank sense all food is poison and must be broken down and then synthisized to render it bio avaliable. There are residues more or less managable by a healthy system which get excreted eventually. The avoids after a lifetime of intake abuse burden the system to the point that it simply fails to remove enough to keep the house clean and everything starts tripping over everything else. Without knowing what to avoid fasting regularly is said to "clean house" But this doesn't address serious problem foods like pork which if I remember is a slam dunk for the poor kidneys. This is a fat molocule that just takes up residence in the fine plumbing and possibly never ever gets removed. Vets tell us never to feed pork to cats! The feline gut gets lined by the fat molocule and is said to permanently reduce the absorbtive surface of the feline intestine. Pork fed cats can starve to death. Not so bad for humans as we can pass the fat into the bloodstream and use some of it for whatever nutrition it represents in our diet but the stuff that gets passed along into the kidney as a flocculated blood mass, that is a clear and present danger.
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Thank you carnivsrus! I didn't really know that about pork, I've known for a long time that it was difficult to digest but not all that and I didn't know that about cats!
When my boss's daughter was young the doctor told her to feed her pork, that it was supposed to be so easy to digest ARGH of course she believed him and now she wonders why her daughter has so many health problems.


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Good explanation for pork.  My son has a hard time giving up something without a reason he comprehends.  Ill pass this one along to him.


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Some of the cheeses for Type A are avoid for the reason of:  Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins.
but then on the Teacher diet some of the same cheeses are diamonds. Can anyone please help me understand? Thanks
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In BTD foods exist in singular relationships.

In GTD they often exist in relationship to other foods (easier seen with software, hence 'GenoHarmonic relationships')

When BTD was in formative stages, there was no knowledge of epigenetic relationships.

Someplace, a prior BTD value will usually carry over in a GenoType which has that blood type as an entry requirement.


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I have to agree with the scientific terminology being hard to grasp and understand. I have a scientific background but still think telling people that something flocculates their serum is not only scary sounding but also makes people think that you have to have a higher understanding of science in order to understand and even successfully follow the BTD.

I follow the diet the best I can but I do eat avoids sometimes not because I am trying to purposely do harm to my health but because in the everday world it is hard to be 100% compliant. Even though I am not new to the BTD there are still things that I have a hard time understanding!
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Without understanding all the science, I just have to comment on how much my kidney function has improved. My poor kidneys must have been very taxed. I used to urinate very often, sometimes hourly.

Shortly after the BTD, I noticed how much longer it was between bathroom trips. I am amazed now that hours pass without the urge to urinate. Also, the urine changed from very diluted to concentrated. Something was seriously out of balance and has been greatly improved. Gotta love the BTD!


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I too need to go to the bathroom less often to pee.

But back to "flocculates".....Had I still been  following the BTD for type A, sauerkraut would
be a toxin....It is listed as AVOID: Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins.

On my SWAMI sauerkraut became a superfood. yay

A food that once "flocculated"  when following the BTD  no longer behaves in the same way once SWAMI gives permission to eat it?

Or once you're identified with a genotype and SWAMI customizes your diet, the term flocculates
isn't relative to the goal of your specific diet?



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I was going to post a new thread, but found this one.  My SWAMI says chili powder and red pepper flakes are avoids.  But, I so desperately want to add just a 'touch' of red pepper to kick up some things from time to time.  I get that such a big thing as red meat is a nasty substance to avoid at all costs, but such a little thing as a tiny bit of red pepper.  What really is the harm?  My mouth burns a little, but that's about it.  No pains anywhere else.  And, life is just a little bit better with some red pepper in my curry which is a superfood itself.  Bell pepper is on my neutral list, btw.

Reason I posted in this thread is that when I looked up red pepper flakes in Typebase it said:  Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins.
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My SWAMI says chili powder and red pepper flakes are avoids.  But, I so desperately want to add just a 'touch' of red pepper to kick up some things from time to time.  I get that such a big thing as red meat is a nasty substance to avoid at all costs, but such a little thing as a tiny bit of red pepper.  What really is the harm?  My mouth burns a little, but that's about it.  No pains anywhere else.  And, life is just a little bit better with some red pepper in my curry which is a superfood itself.  Bell pepper is on my neutral list, btw.

Reason I posted in this thread is that when I looked up red pepper flakes in Typebase it said:  Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins.

We all have to choose the level of compliance that makes us happy...  

This problem is within the blood or intestine/blood interface.  Unless you had a really big problem, you are unlikely to feel pain from this.  A small amount will probably be handled well as long as you are generally healthy otherwise.


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So do the kidneys get cleared out once you stop flocculating your serum?  I sure hope so.  
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When I see 'Curry' listed as a superfood on my SWAMI, it just breaks my heart that I can't have at least a tiny bit of cayenne in it.  After all, curry, by its very definition, is a spice combination that delivers at least 'some' heat.  If I break the diet with a DQ treat, I can feel the lactose intolerance.  A steak or pork, look out!  But, if I add a little chili pepper to something, the only thing I feel is a bit of heat in the mouth, and that's the sole purpose (at least, to me) of adding it.  And the small amount of heat is expected....and welcomed.  With everything else a superfood, I would think the superfoods would carry through the red pepper like prison guards marching a prisoner through the system.
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OK RL and Chloe, that's what I'm talking about!! I think some people misunderstood my point when I started this thread, I understand the diet's basic principles, I was trying to find good analogies for new people so they wouldn't get bogged down with words like "floccutales".


Personally, if I could hear more explanations in laymen's terms, I think it would help me be more motivated to compliance--not that I am not trying very hard right now. However, when I heard how beef affects my veins in laymen's terms, I now don't want to touch the stuff, figuratively speaking.
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My SWAMI says chili powder and red pepper flakes are avoids.


I don't have the SWAMI software... I am attempting to remove all AVOIDS from my diet; I'm just following the TYPEbase food values on the site. Chili Peppers (Red Flakes) are listed as AVOID for Type A but then Chili Powder is listed as Neutral for the A Type Non Secretor (that's me). I don't get it. Clearly, the chili powder is made from dried chiles. Also, Paprika is listed as Neutral. I realize there are a wide variety of chili peppers out there, but assuming that chili powder is made from a hot, red pepper, why isn't Chili Powder AVOID as well, the same as the Pepper? I looked at some different brands and ingredient labels for chili powder and many of them simply state Chili Pepper and not the exact source. Anyone have any rationale for the difference in status between the pepper and the powder? This is important to my salsa recipe and Tex-Mex dishes! Thanks!
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use pimiento to substitute your salsa

also most make their own chili mixes, using compliant substitutes

find some great non tomato recipes up in recipe center


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-snip- Most people have never heard the term "flocculates" before.  My 1st reaction was "Say again, it does WHAT to my body?"
It floccs it up.  



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I don't have the SWAMI software... I am attempting to remove all AVOIDS from my diet; I'm just following the TYPEbase food values on the site. Chili Peppers (Red Flakes) are listed as AVOID for Type A but then Chili Powder is listed as Neutral for the A Type Non Secretor (that's me). I don't get it. Clearly, the chili powder is made from dried chiles. Also, Paprika is listed as Neutral. I realize there are a wide variety of chili peppers out there, but assuming that chili powder is made from a hot, red pepper, why isn't Chili Powder AVOID as well, the same as the Pepper? I looked at some different brands and ingredient labels for chili powder and many of them simply state Chili Pepper and not the exact source. Anyone have any rationale for the difference in status between the pepper and the powder? This is important to my salsa recipe and Tex-Mex dishes! Thanks!


It may be that the powder is derived from the seed while the pepper is from the flesh of the fruit.  If this were the only thing keeping me from 100% compliance, I wouldn't worry about it.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I'm glad Gerald asked the question about "Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins", because if he hadn't, I would have.

I've been following LR4YT since the book was published and although I understand the agglutination issue, & believe in the diet based on my experiences, I want to know the why's and wherefore's of it, otherwise, I'm following blindly and cannot be a good witness to those who aren't on the diet and/or who are judging me to be a sheep of D'Adamo's.

If this diet is to continue to gain momentum and/or refute claims that discredit it: http://www.vegsource.com/articles/blood_hype.htm and http://www.acu-cell.com/btd.html just to name a few, as well as advocates of the Paleo diet, the language for food choices needs to be understandable to the common layperson, otherwise, it just alienates the public and makes the diet appear as if there is something to hide or that there is something that can't be proven.

The more transparent and understandable the nuances of the food choices are, the more apt people are to make those choices. Otherwise, they leave the diet, apply it half-heartedly, or never start due to frustration and a feeling of alienation due to the language barrier.

Connecting with the audience is important and language is the main way to do that. It would be more user friendly if there was a layperson's explanation as well as a scientific explanation in the food data base & would probably help with retaining the non-BTD people are probably looking at out of curiosity.  
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Complaints from both sides people who are curious will always look deeper-- sometimes it is hard to say things any simpler then when you do they say it is not scientific enough... can't win either way. I think Dr. D has done an amazing job of bringing both the more science minded and those that want simpler explanations. Eat Right is written on a 6th grade level.





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Fellow certification.

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Movie 1--  Dr. Peter D'Adamo 'The Circle' examines why 'one size fits all' diets cannot be expected to work in everybody. 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJnIMFWqKBo

Movie 2  Dr. Peter D'Adamo Non-Self--'I Choose' examines the effects of blood group antibodies on health. 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYKuKMS4ZQ4&feature=related


Movie 3 Dr. Peter D'Adamo   Examines the role of lectins in the diet and their interaction with blood type.2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ5t6r_FiT4&feature=related


Movie 4 Dr. Peter D'Adamo   Substance' examines the structure and function of the blood group antigens and their significance in human prehistory, with regard to infections and anthropology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbgf_t7wgqk&feature=related


Interview Monika Klein B.H., C.N. interviews  Dr. Peter D’Adamo --discusses the special characteristics of blood type O individuals and whether they should attempt to be vegetarians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-VPbbu2pmU&feature=related


Interview with Monika Klein B.H., C.N. with Dr. Peter D’Adamo.  Discusses the special characteristics of blood type A individuals and whether they should attempt to be meat eaters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDjMqnxSBF4&feature=related


Interview with Monika Klein B.H., C.N. with Dr. Peter D’Adamo. Discusses the special characteristics of blood type B and AB individuals and whether they should attempt to be vegetarians or carnivores. (more)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXPJuoBIMY&feature=related



Interview with Monika Klein B.H., C.N. with  Dr.Peter D’Adamo  discusses compliance while on the diet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmy7Mcc8f1Q&feature=related


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there are a few u tube btd videos showing and explaining the flocculation, agglutination, pathology process of wrong lectins in the body.
besides all these videos being very nicely done and illustrative.

also fun to watch while learning something new at the same time!
check them out!


just type out btd u tube?  I do better with pictures  Will be a test on my swami?


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So strange to come back to this thread that I started so long ago. I've gone on to pursue a degree in Exercise Science which required taking Anatomy and Physiology, I'm in Chemistry, exercise physiology and nutrition right now. I have learned so much and I am continuing to learn - I credit this way of eating for not only good health, but good curiosity .


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So strange to come back to this thread that I started so long ago. I've gone on to pursue a degree in Exercise Science which required taking Anatomy and Physiology, I'm in Chemistry, exercise physiology and nutrition right now. I have learned so much and I am continuing to learn - I credit this way of eating for not only good health, but good curiosity .


Look how far you've come from this statement you made a few years ago...

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The science boggles me and I don't have patients for it.


Congratulations on developing your curiosity!

Years ago I didn't know what flocculate meant either. I finally looked it up in my medical dictionary.  I think Dr. explained it once as, '...makes your blood look like cotton candy, fluffy...' but I'm not positive about that.

Sharing with the best of intentions.


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If you go to my website, I have a laymans explanation.
I tried to copy and paste it here from my IPhone, but it wouldn't do it.


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If you go to my website, I have a laymans explanation.
I tried to copy and paste it here from my IPhone, but it wouldn't do it.


Here we go.


"Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins."

When searching the TypeBase 4 food values, you will see this phrase.

The easiest way to explain it is to say that your body has an  "Immune response" to that particular Lectin.  

"Flocculates" means flaking and clumping together.  Normally this happens when a foreign Antigen is destroyed by an Antibody like when you get sick and your body fights off a virus or bacterial infection.

These Lectins specific to your Blood Type can cause this type of response.


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Here we go.


"Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins."

When searching the TypeBase 4 food values, you will see this phrase.

The easiest way to explain it is to say that your body has an  "Immune response" to that particular Lectin.  

"Flocculates" means flaking and clumping together.  Normally this happens when a foreign Antigen is destroyed by an Antibody like when you get sick and your body fights off a virus or bacterial infection.

These Lectins specific to your Blood Type can cause this type of response.
That makes it very easy to remember & can also be exactly what happens to sensitive patches of skin on my face (& a couple of other reactionary areas) within a very short time period of eating an avoid... It kind of builds up a layer or two & then flakes off & if I am not careful can then get infected...

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Interesting observation Possum. I also get those sensitive areas on my skin, usually a fixed localized area such as the inside of the ankle or back of the knee. I get rashes that itch so bad I would scratch till it bleeds. Certainly a great deterrent for me to touch the same avoid food again!




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Hey, Grey Rabbit, i am also now studying, and part of those studies involves chemistry and biochemistry. From what I understand, the body needs to transport various substances such as nutrients and hormones via the blood. Some of those substances can travel dissolved in the blood, but others need to be transported via carrier proteins in the blood. I imagine it a bit like some people being able to walk to a distant destination while others need to catch taxis.

When serum is flocculated, those carrier proteins are not available to provide transport, so substances which require carrier proteins have less available to them. Imagine that a large group of people require taxis to get to their destination, but most of the available taxis have been involved in multi-car pileups. Fewer available taxis means fewer people being transported and therefore a much slower transit rate.

So it would seem to me that flocculation means that the transport of stuff via the bloodstream gets slowed right down, whether good substances needed by the body for essential processes, or bad substances needing to be excreted. Either way, not a desirable occurrence.


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snazzyshazz, I love it! Taxi, taxi!! Oh no there's been a report of a 5 car pile up on the I-15, expect delays of up to four hours. Ha!


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So it would seem to me that flocculation means that the transport of stuff via the bloodstream gets slowed right down, whether good substances needed by the body for essential processes, or bad sunstamces needing to be excreted. Either way, not a desirable occurrence.

It may also mean that an off-ramp is blocked so that one "area" doesn't get any service for an extended period.  In body terminology, a stroke.


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It may also mean that an off-ramp is blocked so that one "area" doesn't get any service for an extended period.  In body terminology, a stroke.


Varicose veins anyone?


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Varicose veins anyone?


Varicose veins are more about the back-flow valves breaking down and no longer working, from what I understand. I'm sure floccation would not help


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Varicose veins are more about the back-flow valves breaking down and no longer working, from what I understand. I'm sure floccation would not help


My thought was about the blood vessels that only carry one or 2 cells at a time... all that clumping could clog them up and voila...


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Using the same excellent taxi/transport analogy, how would you also explain why some "unwanted" substances make it through the system extra rapidly ie as I posted above re my face breaking out in lumps & bumps & hive like reactions...
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My thought was about the blood vessels that only carry one or 2 cells at a time... all that clumping could clog them up and voila...


That's not really what is happening with varicose veins. You see, veins are rather thin walled vessels that don't have a lot of muscle like arteries do. Arteries can pump the blood along a little because they have lots of smooth muscle. Veins rely on "muscle pumps", the muscle surrounding the vein, to pump and the anti-back flow valves to prevent the blood from draining back down the vein because of gravity. Varicose veins happen when those valves break down and don't work any more. Exercise is a great way to keep the veins happy, by keeping the muscle pumps working. Good food is also very important . Here is a really good picture of veins vs arteries.


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Using the same excellent taxi/transport analogy, how would you also explain why some "unwanted" substances make it through the system extra rapidly ie as I posted above re my face breaking out in lumps & bumps & hive like reactions...

Some reactions can be due to the energy of the substance racing through the nervous system, even without the "toxin" being ingested.  According to the allergy specialist I used, the energy of an allergen travels through the nervous system faster than conscious thoughts / commands...


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Some reactions can be due to the energy of the substance racing through the nervous system, even without the "toxin" being ingested.  According to the allergy specialist I used, the energy of an allergen travels through the nervous system faster than conscious thoughts/commands...
Sure does!!!

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What does it mean? Serum = blood ? Is this lectin based effect ?
How does one measure it.


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nice, lol the search - i forgot about it


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