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What does "Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins." actually mean? what does it do to your body? Maybe this was answered in the book but I loaned my book out years ago and never have gotten it back.


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It means the proteins fall out of the serum (the blood).
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It means the proteins fall out of the serum (the blood).


And what does that do? What are the proteins doing in your blood?


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agglutination.....

http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Agglutinate

clumping can in fact lead to pathology, or inflammation.....


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And what does that do? What are the proteins doing in your blood?


The blood caries proteins and other things throughout the body to where it is needed. It is the primary means of moving nutrients, waste products and so on from where they are to where they are needed. If the proteins fall out of solution (blood) then they are not being moved where they need to be.

That would be a very basic and not entirely correct biology lesson. If you would care to study the subject further, there is much information on the net and in libraries.

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Thanks for you answers, I'm just wanting to understand this better in layman's terms. The science boggles me and I don't have patients for it. I guess I'm wondering what happens to these proteins that "fall out of the blood" were do they go? are they cleaned up by the liver and kidneys? are they floating around in the bloodstream and clogging up arteries? And does it matter if you loose some proteins if you have enough from other sources?


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Those would be good questions to do further research on if you have the interest.  
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Inflammation, elevated CRP and sed rates.


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Those would be good questions to do further research on if you have the interest.  


That is why I was asking the questions on "The Eat Right for (4)Your  Type Forums Page" under "Diet and Nutrition" hmmmmm, thought it would be a good place to ask, OH WELL.


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Right here on the tabs at the top.

http://www.dadamo.com/science.htm


or a simple search of medline produces these results, some of it is hard to understand but the more you read things like this the better you get at it.

fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=ws">http://scholar.google.com/scho.....amp;hl=en&tab=ws


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That is why I was asking the questions on "The Eat Right for (4)Your  Type Forums Page" under "Diet and Nutrition" hmmmmm, thought it would be a good place to ask, OH WELL.


Asking questions is one way to learn. Answering them is perhaps a better way. Since the questions you asked are not basic BTD but actually somewhat advanced biology, the person who does the research is the person who gets the most benefit. You have the option of reaping this benefit, rather than just accepting what someone else says.

Once you are pointed in the right direction, natural curiosity should be a motivating factor.
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hope this helps clarify
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Flocculation is really a precipitin reaction.

http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Precipitin

Precipitins mostly lead to immune complexes, combinations of antigen (mostly
but not always blood group antigens) and antibody.

http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Immune_complex

In addition to depositing in the tissues, immune complexes typically activate
complement, a series of corrosive enzymes that are an end-game for the immune
system:


http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Complement_System


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Lloyd do not be so hard on Samy and other newbies.   I have a science background and I have to read and re-read to understand some of these concepts.  It would be nice if there was a simplified basic explanation somewhere for the general public to grasp.  Most people have never heard the term flocculates before.  My 1st reaction was Say again, it does WHAT to my body?


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thanks RL
Those of us without a science background are at a disadvantage when browsing through the materials.
However, I find it an advantage when I'm reading labels at the grocery,if I cannot pronounce it I don't eat it!


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Lloyd do not be so hard on Samy and other newbies.   I have a science background and I have to read and re-read to understand some of these concepts.  It would be nice if there was a simplified basic explanation somewhere for the general public to grasp.  Most people have never heard the term flocculates before.  My 1st reaction was Say again, it does WHAT to my body?


Perhaps you would care to provide an explanation then.  

My point before, now and always is that it is best to do research of your own at the level you can do it at rather than ask people who don't understand it particularly well themselves.

Once a person shows enough interest to continue beyond a simple explanation it is better for them to spend the time on the research. I have encouraged that in my own, loveable way.  

Contributions are more valuable than complaints. If you have a complaint, PM me personally and we can discuss it further.
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OK, so I never intended to get anyone upset. I have been following the BTD for so long it just comes naturally for me, but if someone were to browse the site and see "flocculates...." They might just turn and run the other way, or not, don't know for sure. I"m following this way of eating based on my intuition rather than my knowledge of science. Still it would be nice to have some of the science translated into plain english. I can go to dictionary.com and find that:
Flocculates=v.   tr.

   1. To cause (soil) to form lumps or masses.
   2. To cause (clouds) to form fluffy masses.

v.   intr.
To form lumpy or fluffy masses.
serum=      the clear, pale-yellow liquid that separates from the clot in the coagulation of blood; blood serum.
precipitates=Chemistry, To cause (a solid substance) to be separated from a solution.
proteins=n.   Any of a group of complex organic macromolecules that contain carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and usually sulfur and are composed of one or more chains of amino acids. Proteins are fundamental components of all living cells and include many substances, such as enzymes, hormones, and antibodies, that are necessary for the proper functioning of an organism. They are essential in the diet of animals for the growth and repair of tissue and can be obtained from foods such as meat, fish, eggs, milk, and legumes.

String that altogether and it still doesn't give a clear picture as to what is happening in my body when I eat cassava chips.

This thread was an attempt to get someone to translate things. A key of some kind would be nice.
After all I know what it means to: sl2tog aiftk, k1, p2ssoo ssk on RS and ssp on WS. But would you be able to figure it out if you had no prior knowledge of simple knitting and no key to go by?
I don't mean to pick on you Lloyd, I'd just like the whole thing to be a bit more user friendly rather than "thou shalt not eat this because of blah, blah blah". Maybe more like, "you shouldn't eat this because it form clumps in your blood and they don't flow through your veins very well that way"-or whatever. I like the diet, it has worked for me and I believe in it. It's just a bit intimidating to have terms like "flocculates"(even the spell check on this board doesn't like floccualtes )used to describe what is happening.


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Samy, try this link. Maybe you can translate it down to understandable language.

http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Flocculation

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A precipitation reaction occurs as a result of the combination of antibodies in solution with soluble substances with which the antibodies react. If such a precipitation reaction occurs in vivo in the joints or the kidney, inflammation results because the immune complexes are filtered out in those areas, causing irritation.


That at least is a partial explanation. There is much more information on the net on other sites, as Andrea has shown. Lola has also provided similar information.

It would be nice to have a layman's translation of some of the things on the site. They take time and effort from someone, from someone who has the time and effort to give. We could always use more volunteers. When people have enough interest to research and to follow through on their own interests, that is where it starts.
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OK, so when I am really bored, which will be whenever it is snowing and I'm not working , I'll read these articles and try to make heads or tails out of them, but then I'm going to come back here and see if my translations are accurate or make any sense at all for that matter.


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there are a few u tube btd videos showing and explaining the flocculation, agglutination, pathology process of wrong lectins in the body.
besides all these videos being very nicely done and illustrative.

also fun to watch while learning something new at the same time!
check them out!


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"you shouldn't eat this because it agglutinates certain organs, causing inflammation and probably pathology.''

this is what keeps me away from consuming avoids free willingly!

this is easy for me to visualize......


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OK, when I'm somewhere with a great connection (like my favorite coffee shop) I'll check out the youtube videos, thanks!


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I thought I chimmed in on this but never saw the post I worked somewhat hard on so I'm going to try again because it hasn't been mentioned so far. If I'm mistaken I'm sure I'll be informed of my error but here goes:
I read in one of the BTD books about the kidneys and all the things we unknowingly end up doing to them before we die. Bad things. We start our existence with these amazing organs which have the filtration index of 100% and gradually let them loose function. We actively do this by eating many things which this diet gives us a heads up on to avoid. Many of the mysterious  changes that take place in our blood stream result in kidney debilitating events. The plumbing gets clogged and it never gets unclogged and at the end of the road there just isn't the filtration capacity needed to keep all the other systems working free of debris. To understand this is to respect the notion of the BTD. Look at the healthiest example and long living translation onward and kidney failure is frequently cited as the cause of death.
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Thanks, carnivsrus! That is good input. My understanding of the potential issues resulting from flocculation include those of the kidneys.
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Thanks Carnivsrus.  So if we eat avoids then the plumbing gets clogged up with all these lumped together masses and the kidney filtration system is less efficient.  Like if you dont clean the filter on your furnace, then it will not heat up the house as well and lets dust gets through into the ducts which contributes to your allergies.  


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That's a great explanation, RedLilac...the residue from avoids will clog our filtration system and lead to toxicity...the beneficials and neutrals obviously leave no residue.

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