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wildchamomilian
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I've had two Naturopathic Doctors test me with two different methods and both have showed I have low HCl. Has anyone ever heard of this for an O?

I feel better eating meat but I find it odd that this has occurred. I suppose this could be a lot of things but would eating the wrong types of foods for a prolonged period of time cause this? I've had awful stomach problems for at least 3 years and a huge slew of other problems that have cropped up along w/ this. So bad that doing simple tasks has been very challenging.

I suppose there are a lot of variables that could come into effect which makes it irritating. In the past few years my stomach would be such a mess everything bugged me. That was on the SAD Diet. Then because of so many problems I decided to go Raw Vegan. Things improved a bit but overall I didn't feel good either, lost weight, always constipated, always hungry. I stopped that experimented with the BTD, had some success but not what I was expecting. Still had most of problems. I wasn't doing it 100% and I think the problems were of very bad Candida & Parasites at the time which I'm still working on.

My list of issues at age 21 is staggering and frustrating. I'm going to give the BTD Diet another go without Fruit/Sugar/Yeast/Etc. to address Candida and see how it goes. Overall I was curious what people though about the low HCl issues. It seems contradictory but it would make sense if you have done so many diff. things that your body would react this way.

Thoughts?
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Hey, if you'd seen me at 21 you wouldn't say your problems are staggering.  

Welcome to the board, Wildchamo.  I don't have answers as to why you don't make enough HCl.  But I would encourage you to get the GenoType Diet book and try it.  Sometimes it's better  for those who just don't fit quite right into their particular blood type category.


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read about non secretor issues and taking the test
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/1.htm
lesson 10 speaks about the non secretor test

you are not alone!


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hmmm... might be that is coz of our mental and psychological issues as well... .. meeps..i versus E....
and sorry of course is that one of the facts....

more than once I tested it as alike...but ok..who's who...

seems that there  might be some relevation in the wiki's...


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I've had two Naturopathic Doctors test me with two different methods and both have showed I have low HCl. Has anyone ever heard of this for an O?

I feel better eating meat but I find it odd that this has occurred. I suppose this could be a lot of things but would eating the wrong types of foods for a prolonged period of time cause this? I've had awful stomach problems for at least 3 years and a huge slew of other problems that have cropped up along w/ this. So bad that doing simple tasks has been very challenging.

I suppose there are a lot of variables that could come into effect which makes it irritating. In the past few years my stomach would be such a mess everything bugged me. That was on the SAD Diet. Then because of so many problems I decided to go Raw Vegan. Things improved a bit but overall I didn't feel good either, lost weight, always constipated, always hungry. I stopped that experimented with the BTD, had some success but not what I was expecting. Still had most of problems. I wasn't doing it 100% and I think the problems were of very bad Candida & Parasites at the time which I'm still working on.

My list of issues at age 21 is staggering and frustrating. I'm going to give the BTD Diet another go without Fruit/Sugar/Yeast/Etc. to address Candida and see how it goes. Overall I was curious what people though about the low HCl issues. It seems contradictory but it would make sense if you have done so many diff. things that your body would react this way.

Thoughts?


Low HCl is not an uncommon issue in any blood type, particularly if you are already beyond your prime...age wise that is.

Hypochlorhydria is the medical term for low stomach acidity. It can be treated with betaine HCl a digestive supplement.

Some of the symptoms are a heaviness in the stomach after eating..."like you have eaten a rock",a lot of belching, flatulence, and possibly some food allergies due to the undigested proteins.

Achlorhydria is the complete lack of stomach acidity and is a more serious conndition. Symptoms are the same as hypochlorhydria, but you will often have gastritis due to bacterial infection in the gut. This can lead to bleeding in the G.I. tract.

You may also have with either condition,symptoms of vitamin B12 deficiency,due to a lack of HCl which is necessary for the absorption of B12 via intrinsic factor.




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I have experimented with the supp. w/ Betaine HCl and I prefer to not use it. When I do I get a warming pain sensation in the pit of the stomach. I'm read that this means that you have enough and you can step back. Either way I would rather use food as a remedy like Lemons & Ginger. I do know that Betaine HCl is derived from Beets but I would rather not. At my age it is most uncommon to have a stomach acid issue.

Yes I don't discount the mind playing an issue.
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Thanks for your post, Lola. I would love to try some of the products. Can you recommend any specific ones that may be best to start?

I'm not sure if you guys are into like diagnosing or helping people w/ their problems or not. You all seem very intelligent and I can use all the help I can get. Maybe if I detail my specific symptoms someone can help relate what they have done.

-Constipation, Bloating
-Low Energy, Lack of Mental Focus, Depressed, No Motivation
-Constant Stomach Cramping, Pain, Upset, Discomfort. I can never get a good night's sleep because of it
-Urination several times an hour (min. 5 times)
-Very Red & Dry Cracked Hands w/ cracked skin on fingertips

With what I have experimented with that BTD does make me feel better but it feels as though my stomach doesn't have the strength. Are there any products in specific that you can recommend or anyone who can relate. I could go on and on w/ the trial & error I have done but I would rather not bore others.

The reason I stopped doing the BTD for awhile is because it seemed contradictory that an O would have low stomach acid when outlined in the books it says this is not the case and doesn't mention if this happens or what to do.

It seems quite ironic that I'm a Certified Holistic Health Practitioner and am quite sick myself Like I said I have tried lots and lots of supplements and such but I won't ever be close-minded about giving things another go. Although I must say that money is an issue when you I have spent so much already and it does get sickening seeing how many supplements you have used money on.

Oh yeah. I use Bladderwrack every day. My supp. is the following: 1 capsule = 580mg (Whole Thallus) w/ 232 mcg Iodine
I only use 1 cap. though. I have used more but again I suppose I should just be very strict w/ the BTD and continue to use it.

I would like be curious to see any articles on Candida & Parasites regarding Type O. It seems as though because O's more commonly over-produce stomach acid that this would be a rarer issue so it I haven't seen it addressed. I know when I consume fruit I get very bloated, gassy, feel very loopy (can't concentrate).

Thanks all. I really appreciate your responses.
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Have you made sure you're an O?  Why not give blood and make sure you're not miss-typed.

Secondly, coconut oil rubbed into your hands at night, or vitamin E, might help temporarily  until you get your other issues under control.  I feel certain that if your gut was healed your hands would improve.

If my stomach was doing that I would immediately quit all dairy and gluten.

How much coffee/tea do you drink?

Collectively (and some individually), we have a lot of knowledge.  Most of us just have a lot of experience, and all of us read a whole lot.  And we're all glad to help when we can.


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Thanks for your post, Lola. I would love to try some of the products. Can you recommend any specific ones that may be best to start?

I'm not sure if you guys are into like diagnosing or helping people w/ their problems or not. You all seem very intelligent and I can use all the help I can get. Maybe if I detail my specific symptoms someone can help relate what they have done.

-Constipation, Bloating
-Low Energy, Lack of Mental Focus, Depressed, No Motivation
-Constant Stomach Cramping, Pain, Upset, Discomfort. I can never get a good night's sleep because of it
-Urination several times an hour (min. 5 times)
-Very Red & Dry Cracked Hands w/ cracked skin on fingertips

With what I have experimented with that BTD does make me feel better but it feels as though my stomach doesn't have the strength. Are there any products in specific that you can recommend or anyone who can relate. I could go on and on w/ the trial & error I have done but I would rather not bore others.

The reason I stopped doing the BTD for awhile is because it seemed contradictory that an O would have low stomach acid when outlined in the books it says this is not the case and doesn't mention if this happens or what to do.

It seems quite ironic that I'm a Certified Holistic Health Practitioner and am quite sick myself Like I said I have tried lots and lots of supplements and such but I won't ever be close-minded about giving things another go. Although I must say that money is an issue when you I have spent so much already and it does get sickening seeing how many supplements you have used money on.

Oh yeah. I use Bladderwrack every day. My supp. is the following: 1 capsule = 580mg (Whole Thallus) w/ 232 mcg Iodine
I only use 1 cap. though. I have used more but again I suppose I should just be very strict w/ the BTD and continue to use it.

I would like be curious to see any articles on Candida & Parasites regarding Type O. It seems as though because O's more commonly over-produce stomach acid that this would be a rarer issue so it I haven't seen it addressed. I know when I consume fruit I get very bloated, gassy, feel very loopy (can't concentrate).

Thanks all. I really appreciate your responses.


Your inability to tolerate fruits sounds like it may be fructose intolerance. Does this happen when you eat it alone or with other foods?



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My Mother, Father, and Sister are Blood Type O. Not sure what my Brother is. I did a self test and it showed up as O (although I kind of messed it up a tad but I don't feel this would have affected the final result). I went to get Blood Drawn but they wouldn't as my Blood Pressue & Iron Count was to low. It would only make sense that I am O. I am Polish, German, English Heritage.

Threw experimentation eating Meat (I have been eating it w/ Lemon now and the stomach seems to tolerate it better than without) I notice the following:
-Increase in Focus
-Increased Mental Clarify
-Stomach doesn't seem to hurt as much (feels more settled and less crampy and irritated)
-Increase energy levels. Meat just really tastes good to me and makes me feel better.
-More Satisfied

The two tests I had done that said I had low HCl were through a BioMerdian Feedback Machine & Muscle Kinesiology.

I will confess that I have consumed a bit of Coffee and this makes the skin condition worse. I know how bad that is but it has been the only way to keep from falling over at my job at times. I do drink quite a bit of tea. I stay away from Black Tea. It's mainly Herbal things targeted toward stomach conditions. I do my best to stay away from Wheat & Gluten. I know in order to really make a diff. I need to stick to this 100%, though.

And I think the last question was about Fruit. Yes eating it alone would cause this. Bananas & Avocados would give me awful bloating. Apples would cause stomach cramping, gas, and pain. I haven't been eating any sugar and now gas really doesn't seem like an issue any more. I know I can't consume Dairy or it will give me awful awful awful cramping & gas.

I think my main problem is that I tend to sway a lot and am not being as strict as I should. It's hard at times without support to keep you there. Like I said, I think the first time I stopped because of the Fruit thing. I wasn feeling better but because of other issues I think that made me think - "well this doesn't work". Others have stated Mental issues. Yeah I won't lie I have Mental issues, lol. It's really frustrating when you deal that stuff.

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Many of us have mental issues.   We even have threads about it.

Yes, if both your parents are Os, you will be.


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I was wondering the same-are you sure you are an O? We've had our fair share of surprises when O Nonnies after 3 years discovered they were A Nonnnies! Are your parents absolutely sure that they are O's?


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My dad, who was an O, had a sensitive stomach for certain foods. There are always exceptions to the rules...
Bananas & avocados are avoids for O secretors (80-85% of Os), so avoid them for now.
You may want to eat simpler mixtures of foods. There are 'food combinations' which work for some of us & are considered
'hooey' for others.
Always eat fuit on an empty stomach, better first thing in the AM. Wait a little while to eat other foods. I'm sure you may want more breakfast!
Stick around on this board & you will learn a lot & be supported. This is a great group & even Dr. D checks in sometimes!


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http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/index.htm


http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/27.html

Here are the protocols for each blood type.

They are limited to a short period of time like 6 weeks or 4 weeks. They may help.


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I was wondering the same-are you sure you are an O? We've had our fair share of surprises when O Nonnies after 3 years discovered they were A Nonnnies! Are your parents absolutely sure that they are O's?


My Dad & Sister know they are O. My Mother doesn't know for sure but gave me solid evidence that makes it me 99% sure she is O. I did a self test which showed O. My personal experiments above lead me to believe this pretty confidently. If I was an A why wouldn't a Raw Vegan Diet leaving me feeling more happy and fulfilled? I have several reasons as to believe why my HCl would be low. Overall being an A Wouldn't make any sense at all.

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Overall being an A Wouldn't make any sense at all.



Stranger things have happened.




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Stranger things have happened.




Hey I don't know what to convince you that I know I'm not A. I can eat a bowl of oatmeal and feel like it sits like a rock in my stomach and then eat an egg and feel like I am nourished. I can't sit down to a salad or bowl of rice & beans and be happy. Sorry. I have done too many experiments... just read above. I think the main issue I was having is not following it like I should w/ too many variables.
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You don't need to prove it to anyone (but yourself).

We do have a notable number of people who followed the wrong blood type diet for an extended period of time because they believed they were Type such-and-so.

I'm an A non-secretor and I do not do well on a vegan diet.  Several of my family members are O's but there are also a few A's.  

Type O's sustain acid levels during their meal, while A's have a marked drop off in acid levels after the meal begins.  
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You don't need to prove it to anyone (but yourself).

We do have a notable number of people who followed the wrong blood type diet for an extended period of time because they believed they were Type such-and-so.

I'm an A non-secretor and I do not do well on a vegan diet.  Several of my family members are O's but there are also a few A's.  

Type O's sustain acid levels during their meal, while A's have a marked drop off in acid levels after the meal begins.  


Yes and I believe you can test this w/ PH Testing tape to determine this. I have been vegetarian, vegan, raw vegan each for several months and made my conditions worse. How do you explain being always severely constipated w/ incredibly low energy on a Vegan Diet? No matter how hard I tried to be better at it didn't matter. Consuming vegetable and fruit fiber in that way for that period of time would not do that to someone. I always had gas and never any energy on a Vegetarian diet as well. Never felt like doing anything. I only tested the BTD for a very short time and of which was after trials of many diff. things which can no doubt caused issue within the body. Point being if you are constantly eating the wrong types of foods for yourself wouldn't it make sense that your natural HCl levels would be goofed up? Who knows maybe those tests were bunk. I'm not sure I believe in Muscle Testing as far as I can throw a football (born a runner but when I began have digestive issues I took upon a list of other problems).

There are many reasons that I have not expressed that make me 99.9% sure of my Blood Type but I'm not going to say it's not possible. I know I'm coming off stubborn and I apologize for that. I will get my Blood Drawn but when I tried at the time they wouldn't let me. My Blood Pressue and Iron Count were to low. I weighed 114 pounds and am 5'8". I have to mention at that time I was following a Plant Based Diet.

I think my case is very interesting and it makes perfect sense why I could have low HCl and be Blood Type O. I want to see what happens w/ my indigestion, energy levels, etc. issues following the BTD w/ no supp. but Bladderwrack, Bromelain, Probiotics, and Digestive Enzymes.

I'll try to test my pH before and after meals and see what happens, too.

Oh, my Sister follows a Vegetarian Diet. She knows she is O. She says she feels fine. I would be curious to see how she would feel if she included Meat in her diet. I have no doubt she would feel a lot better.

The reason I like Peter Dadamo is because its scientific based, and presents the facts. He isn't letting emotion and personal factors get in the way of his research. There are too many health professionals that are very biased and I think it causes more harm than good. Eating as close to Nature as possible is the way our body was made to function but I don't recall their being any major civilization that was 100% Vegan, Raw, or Vegetarian. I know of some tribes though did follow some of these principles, though. I'm not saying every BTD should eat Meat. Just that a lot of people have a skewed image because of what we have the processing of food.

Sorry went off on a tangent!

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A plant based diet is often high in lectins which can cause anemia.

The right BTD will give you a low lectin diet.

Many vegan/vegetarian/etc diets are high in grains.  This can definitely cause constipation.

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A plant based diet is often high in lectins which can cause anemia.

The right BTD will give you a low lectin diet.

Many vegan/vegetarian/etc diets are high in grains.  This can definitely cause constipation.



True but if you are eating these grains w/ enough Water and in moderation w/ other Vegetarian foods you shouldn't have any issues w/ your bowels... If those foods were truly good for you.
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Bananas & avocados are avoids for O secretors

Bananas are beneficial for both secretors and non-secretors, and avocados avoid for secretors and beneficial for non secretors.




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wildchamomilian, you might have to address supporting other organs at the same time you work on your digestion.  It's possible to get in a situation where no matter what you do to try and heal in one area, it can't happen until other systems are supported.

In your reply in post #7 some of your symptoms sound like you could use adrenal support.  I've been there so I know the problems they can cause if they are worn out.  There is a thread on adrenal fatigue which you might benefit from.

Digestive enzymes would be good because they prepare the food to be better used when they come in contact with HCL, so it is a more efficient process (and from what I understand is that you don't need as much HCL).  Personally, I have to be careful how much protease I take because it can irritate my stomach, but I seem to need amylase and lipase in larger amounts.  They have helped me a lot.  There are a many different formulas available to address specific areas.
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