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Dianet52
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Hi All, I have been doing the type O diet for almost 3 weeks now. Not perfectly mind you but the big ones are gone. Corn, wheat are all gone and I would say Im aroung 85-90% compliant. Eatting as many beneficails as I can even liver which Im not crazy about.Sure I may be eatting 2-3 servings of grain a day, because they help me to  fill up and I feel so deprived otherwise. I could stand to loose 10-15 lbs. But instead of loosing I've gained 4 lbs. And I don't notice anything different in the way I feel except frustrated, depressed, deprived and unsatisfied. I know it takes time but shouldn't I be seeing some benefit by now? Im not sure how much longer I can hold on. Thx for your insight! Diane
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If you're looking to loose weight perhaps you should consider the Genotype diet.  
I remember those hunger pains.  Rice seemed to help with that.  Also, you might want to try smaller meals and eat more frequently.  It's kind of a pain.  At least I think so.  I'm a, eat-a-big-meal-and-do-something-constructive, kind of person.  

Also, are you getting plenty of exercise?  

Leanne!


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Need to check your secretor status..
Also look at the portions on the food lists.


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Are you eating rice? If you're name is Diane, then you might have the same problem with it as me. (could be a Diane thing..lol except I drop the "e" doesn't mean I drop any weight lol) I gain weight overnight if I eat any kind of rice. I have to keep my grains low to lose.
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Are you eating rice? If you're name is Diane, then you might have the same problem with it as me. (could be a Diane thing..lol except I drop the "e" doesn't mean I drop any weight lol) I gain weight overnight if I eat any kind of rice. I have to keep my grains low to lose.


Even though you're an A?  

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Yes.. But the thing is that I'm in M. I'm a different animal. (I think the hormones in grains are affecting my wacky hormones) If I was 30, and I was following the A BTD or Warrior GTD as layed out from our good Dr., I'd be a stick by now.   PLUS, I have a lot of allergies and I happen to have tested positive to an allergy to grass.. Grains are grasses.

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Yes.. But the thing is that I'm in M. I'm a different animal. (I think the hormones in grains are affecting my wacky hormones) If If I was 30, and I was following the A BTD or Warrior GTD as layed out from our good Dr., I'd be a stick by now.   PLUS, I have a lot of allergies and I happen to have tested positive to an allergy to grass.. Grains are grasses.


Are you kidding me?  If you're allergic to grass, then rice is considered allergenic?  Or am I
putting two things together that aren't necessarily connected?

I was allergy tested years ago and also tested high for grass, weeds and many tree pollens,
but I don't seem to have the same "sneezy" reaction to any of these things right now...not
since following the Warrior diet.  I started the season off in Springtime very itchy, sneezy
and reactive but here I am looking at ragweed, usually my worst offender and I think I could
literally rub the pollen in my face and not react.

So, although you might not know the answer to this question, I'm asking it anyway in case
Lola or anyone might know. Is it possible that by following the GTD long enough, the immune
system actually starts to calm down enough to where once offending airborne pollens, grasses, weeds, etc. aren't triggering a negative response?

The irony is that I've lost my negative violent reaction to ragweed and have started to tolerate most of the beneficial dairy foods on the Warrior diet.

I credit all those DIAMOND FOODS I eat!

Is THAT progress or what!!!!!  





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Diane, please check out the genotype diet....it is geared to weight loss.
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Give it more time!
You might just have a personal intolerance to certain foods, too.
I hope we can help you!
Don't give up yet!!!!
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I suppose starting off gradually is working for me, I started with avoiding wheat and then other things slowly after that.  I know which things make me feel worse, (wheat is number 1). You are well ahead of me on the avoids and compliancy- I'd hardly started by week 3 ....

I've only been on BTD for 6 or 7 weeks, and am still working out some of it. I'm still working with the "lesser avoid," going BTD compliant is still an ongoing process. The only times I've felt hungry, or deprived, is when I haven't organised properly, and I'm late eating.  Otherwise I love the food  

I seemed to lose weight at first but then put back on, but I've got more energy, my nails are better, and a couple of age spots are fading. My shape is changing rather than weight loss.  My philosophy is that my body does things in its own time, and in its own way, and maybe for me other "repair jobs" (even ones I cant see) are more important than weight loss itself at the moment. I also think that, after initial water weight loss, my body is making more muscle first to be able to support burning off excess fat, (hows that for optimism  ) so if I temporarily put on a few pounds again I won't panic.  The diet changes I've made have made me less anxious ...

I am finding myself moving more and actually doing a bit more exercise because I now feel well enough to do it.  If I'd started exercise straight away I would have given it all up long since.

I avoid wheat, cow's milk, yoghurt and cheese, corn, potatoes, peanuts and non compliant veges, salad and fruits.

I'm trying to only have grains once a day, but don't always manage it, and am using the occasional whipped cream dessert (wheat free),  and the occasional dark chocolate to avoid cravings and feeling deprived. There's nothing that says "diet misery" more than eating foods I don't like in an effort to lose weight, so liver is well off the menu   and I only eat beneficials and neutrals that I like. That and the "lesser avoids" if I really want a pudding makes it workable.

Exercise is the step I'm working on now. But my gut feeling is that I need to get all the pieces of the BTD concept working together, and then do it consistently, before I see steady, long term weight loss. I feel too good for this not to be the right way ... but ohhhhh the wait is hard sometimes....  

So I'm sort of thinking that I need to give this 3 months before paying attention to the weight loss on the scale (I could use losing at least 40 lbs....)

Best of luck  








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My suggestion is start hitting the water.  I drink about 2-1/2 to 3 liters a day.  Grains and sugars will help gain weight.  I was losing too fast and when I added those back in, I gained.  If I wanted to lose, I'd eat less grains.  

You may have to up your meat and veggies to make up for it though.  But I thought you O's can do that?


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All very good suggestions...the GTD worked for both me & my DH...we sitck predominantly to the diamond foods. The reward is worth the effort.
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Try using fats/oils to give you that full feeling rather than grains.  Grains will get an O every time.  When I first started eating a lot of lentils I wouldn't feel full and it was so frustrating.  My midwife said to put a Tbsp. of olive oil in the pot and it would help.  It sure did!  Now I use ghee instead.  But that little bit of fat helps me feel full.

Cutting out those non-compliant grains could make all the difference for you.

How do you feel?  I know you said you were having trouble losing the weight, but how do you feel?


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Quoted from Chloe

Are you kidding me?  If you're allergic to grass, then rice is considered allergenic?  Or am I
putting two things together that aren't necessarily connected?


Rice is a grass. It might be when one eats it, it reacts differently..Also Ms. Chloe  , I've been eating honey most of my life and honey has desensitized me as far to ragweed and sneezing from the grass pollen. I just get itchy eyes in the spring from the tree pollen for a week or two. I was tested severely allergic to ragweed. I don't even sneeze in the fall. Honey baby. Raw, locally bee'd honey.

So, I'm thinking with my body, that rice, a.k.a., grass is mostly desensitized by the honey but there's still some reaction that's manifesting itself as bloating, and weight gain..also a little insulin reaction goin' on too. I'm Dr. D also   Would you like an appointment?..I'm free..
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Great insight everyone! Thx! Like I said the way I feel now is deprived, depressed, frustrated, bloated, and irritable.

Several people mentioned the GTD. Does that really work? Whats the difference? How is it different than the BTD? And what about all this measuring I keep hearing about to determine your genotype? Thx. Diane
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there is a website that you can search out: the genotype diet.
It may tell you how to determine your type....or you may need the book, but yeah, its all spelled out.
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Both BTD and GTD are great diet plans and I know people who have gotten good results following either plan.

To find out which diet is best for you take this online quiz

information on book mentioned above

Genotype website mentioned above.

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The GenoType Diet uses the new science of epigenetics, which shows how environmental factors - including diet - allow you to change your genetic destiny. ...




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Several people mentioned the GTD. Does that really work? Whats the difference? How is it different than the BTD? And what about all this measuring I keep hearing about to determine your genotype? Thx. Diane

The GTD is better for me than the BTD was, and BTD was better by far than my diet before BTD...

The difference as Dr. D put it is:
BTD - aligns you to your genes.
GTD - aligns your genes to you...

The book will make all about the measurements clear...  Basicly, between your body structure is a combination of genetic makeup and the pre-natal environment, etc...  

My 3 sentence response to how it works - the book is more detailed and should be the real source for this answer ...
When you take several measurements and compare the results of those and your blood and secretor types, you get your Genotype.  When you eat according to the genotype, you are changing the way the gene structure causes the body to function.  As such, through diet you have some control of the most common "illness" patterns for your body type...  



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Is it possible that by following the GTD long enough, the immune system actually starts to calm down enough to where once offending airborne pollens, grasses, weeds, etc. aren't triggering a negative response?

I believe it is possible!
great results Chloe!


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Yes.. But the thing is that I'm in M. I'm a different animal. (I think the hormones in grains are affecting my wacky hormones) If If I was 30, and I was following the A BTD or Warrior GTD as layed out from our good Dr., I'd be a stick by now.   PLUS, I have a lot of allergies and I happen to have tested positive to an allergy to grass.. Grains are grasses.


Bummer!

Leanne!



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Dianet52, wishing you a warm welcome to BTD and the forums!!

The first thought that came to my mind is...........are you sure of your blood type?  There are a couple of members who were 'sure' of their blood types, followed that eating plan and felt awful. When they got typed again, they found out they were a dif blood type altogether. Same thing happened to my SIL. Most people go by what their parents tell them. Sometimes it's just a mistake at the dr's. Never hurts to be sure

Grain........hmmmmmm, packs the pounds on for me.        I'm w/ Ribbit, try using diamond or beneficial oils. Diamond oils are walnut, rice bran, cod liver, hemp and ghee. Ghee is a snap to make. Take a pound of butter, put it in a baking dish, throw it in the oven at 350 for an hour. No need to watch it, just go about your business, but don't forget to set a loud timer. The remaining dairy in the butter will settle to the bottom. The water will cook out and you'll be left w/ delicious ghee!! Strain ( I use a strainer and an unbleached coffee filter). You can leave ghee out on the counter, even in the heat, as long as you don't use a wet or dirty utensil in it. Warning.........it's very good, very good. And very good for you. Your house smells very yummmy while baking also.

Upping your water intake as ABNoWay mentioned is a good idea too. Water is sooo vital to making our bodies work properly. Most people have no clue. There's a good book called "Your Bodies Many Cries for Water".  Worth a read.

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Like I said the way I feel now is deprived, depressed, frustrated, bloated, and irritable.


2 or 3 servings of grain a day could def cause these reactions, especially if you have leaky gut syndrome. It will also eventually cause allergies from partially undigested food and bacteria dropping into your blood stream.
http://allergyexpert.wordpress.com/category/treatable-health-conditions/leaky-gut-syndrome/
http://www.life-sources.com/downloadfree/lsi_leaky_gut.pdf
Or if you have blood sugar issues. Grain can react more like bad carbs if you have these issues, as I understand and experience it.

If one does have Leaky Gut issues, all the more reason to eat ghee.   I melt a tablespoon in a glass dish on my warmer burner (but only warm it) and then slurp it down.

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Is it possible that by following the GTD long enough, the immune system actually starts to calm down enough to where once offending airborne pollens, grasses, weeds, etc. aren't triggering a negative response?

Chloe, there is little doubt in my mind this actually works. Prior to BTD, I had reactions to everything out the wazoooo. A month into it, they were all gone. That's powerful.   



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Very interesting, Italybound...ghee is good for leaky guts.  Do you know why?  Is it the butyric acid found in ghee?

I'm taking Intrisa which has butyric acid...When I open the bottle, it smells like ghee..(or like
puke, depending on the day)  ...

I was craving ghee last week...ate spoonfuls right out of the jar...This week, I'm not in a mood
for doing that.


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I had lots of problems with the BTD. As a secretor I was allowed grains. I loved whole spelt and rye bread. But they suited me worse than normal white bread so I was very frustrated. I was feeling deprived and was not feeling any better. Spelt made me more sleepy and rye made a whole on my stomach. I loved the BTD without grains but Dr. D said I could have grains so I wanted my grains  

GTD came along and Alas! As a hunter, it is the gluten that does me in. My finger tips are all white lines. Perhaps the gluten of white bread is less aggressive to my body and does not make me as sleepy as spelt. Or perhaps the spike of blood sugar made up for it. And that rye bread... it generally contains gluten to make it "higher" no wonder.

Grains are troublesome for O's. The GTD is excellent in that it helps us identify the trouble. I advice you to check the GTD.

Best wishes,

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Can O's have quinoa?  It's a grain that sits very well with me.  And Oatmeal too.  Mmmmmmmmm...


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Quinoa is neutral for O secs and O non-secs. Superbeneficial for hunters and diamond for gatherers and explorers.

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I always believed quinoa was good for me.  I ate a lot of it on BTD because I felt like it must be more than just neutral for me.  Now GTD says it's good.


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Quinoa...yummilicious.

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Yeah, it's only neutral for me too, but it goes down so well.  As I've said a million times, millet is supposed to be beneficial and it doesn't do so well for me.  But oat and rice are beneficial and they are good to go!!!!!!

I suppose it's possible it's better than just neutral, eh?  I don't know.  Probably not but at least it's not supposed to be hurting me and I don't think that it is.  Although I suppose that's possible too.  Hehehehehe.


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quinoa & amaranth are ok and yummy for me; but I can't stand millet.... no gluten in, so fine for all nonnies ....

I think merely all AB sechis don't have that much problems with
grains....am I right here I saw it how my sister seem to do
well on them, thatswhy she developed skinproblems...told that this issue is only psychosomatic,,,, I don't think so....perhaps does she only persues that she can stand it...but in reality she
might be like Kristin, only a nonniegene porteuse ...carrier    but I'm nearly sure that she also is a nonnie but coz of her heavy candidase it was hard to get detected if she is or not and she didn't wanted to go for the proof of a bloodtest called lewis test...nor the spittest


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How did you feel before the diet.  You may have underlying health issues that interfere with your success.  Also are you positive you are an O secretor, tested.  Compliance is important, try 4 days of complete compliance and make sure there are no underlying avoids that might be mixed in with your foods.  
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