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As per several suggestions I'm using ghee to, hopefully, improve the health of my intestines.  I find that saturated fats tend to make me feel really ill so I am proceeding with caution.

However, how should I actually use ghee... alone, always mixed with foods, once a day, twice, mornings, evenings, 1 teaspoon, 5 teaspoons etc...



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you can cook with it, or spread on anything, or add to smoothies.....I even add it to my hot cocoa, whenever.
some take it straight.....everything goes!


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I use it any time I would use butter. In the mornings, I melt one tablespoon in a glass bowl on my warmer burner and slurp it down.  



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Ghee is really great for cooking. I use a blend of ghee and light olive oil to sautee vegetables. Ghee is also good on baked sweet potatoes, muffins and other goodies

You can also just eat a spoonful every morning if you like. It has a nice taste, sort of nutty, so it isn't hard to eat it plain.


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Ghee is really great for cooking. I use a blend of ghee and light olive oil to sautee vegetables.


this is just about all I use now. so funny because pre-BTD, yes I'd heard of olive oil...........  
never heard of ghee, didn't know there were all these wonderful nut oils from which to choose nor that there were SO many flours.  



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I use it any time I would use butter. In the mornings, I melt one tablespoon in a glass bowl on my warmer burner and slurp it down.  





Ineresting. I bet that's good!!!


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It is good. Sometimes I get a craving for ghee (usually when a bout of IBS threatens--pretty rare nowadays!)and do the same thing--just a tablespoon or so warmed up. It tastes great and I feel good for the rest of the day, no tummy rumbles or cramps I'd do it every day but have to watch my fat intake to some extent, since I use olive oil and ghee in cooking.


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This may sound strange, but my Doctor told me that Ghee and Olive Oil are very good for you and the excess will get flushed if your body doesn't need it.  I'm struggling with keeping weight on and he's telling me those are two really good fats to take in a good amount.  He also said more good carbs that coincide with my BTD / GTD.  

(He's an MD that uses many holistic practices)

I'm not everyone's doctor and other people may have problems with too much fat. But my overall cholesterol is high and he knows it, yet he is recommending it.  My HDL's are also very high, which is good.  FWIW.  

So anyways, I had quite a bit of Ghee on a rice cake and a lot more olive oil on my salad today.  It had really been scrimping on them, thinking I was doing myself good.  

I don't know if this is in conflict to Dr.D's studies, but I do remember him saying in one of his books that other societies outside of America seem to use ghee for cooking and such alot without the same heart disease results we have here.


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If ghee and butter are both neutrals for type O, why not use butter?  Is there a hidden value in ghee for type O's?


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But my overall cholesterol is high and he knows it, yet he is recommending it.  My HDL's are also very high, which is good.  FWIW.


I've been told by several doctors that the overall number doesn't tell you anything meaningful about cholesterol - that you need to know the ratio between LDL and HDL...

azredhead -
Ghee is high in Butyrate - a short chain fatty acid that helps the cells of the intestine walls...
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2004/07/22/butyrate-and-ghee?blog=27


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So the beneficial 'butyrate' doesnt appear until the milk solids disappear?  Is that right?  Something changes in the process of clarifying the butter?  (Its so hot here if you leave the butter out it clarifies itself;))


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So anyways, I had quite a bit of Ghee on a rice cake and a lot more olive oil on my salad today.  It had really been scrimping on them, thinking I was doing myself good.  

I don't know if this is in conflict to Dr.D's studies, but I do remember him saying in one of his books that other societies outside of America seem to use ghee for cooking and such alot without the same heart disease results we have here.
No, in doing that you are not in conflict with Dr. D. On page 225 of the GTD book (the Dairy list for Teachers) it says that the portion size for ghee is "as desired"  which means as much as you want even though it's not a diamond.

Flip ahead to pg. 227 (Fats & Oils) and it rates Olive oil as a Teacher diamond food - which means no limits.
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So the beneficial 'butyrate' doesnt appear until the milk solids disappear?  Is that right?  Something changes in the process of clarifying the butter?  (Its so hot here if you leave the butter out it clarifies itself;))


I can't guarantee that... Not smart enough, yet...

It is possible that the milk solids or water limit the effectiveness somehow...

btw, I see you're in AZ...  My MIL lives in So. Phx., so if you live anywhere in the southern half of the state, I understand about the hot!


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As desired for butter and ghee for Hunter.

This is so freeing.  I split open dates, take out the seed and fill the little concave center with clarified salted organic butter!  A treat indeed... so delicious.  It's like some kind of pie filling.  I can't place the taste yet.  

We are eating so much olive oil, ghee, and more butter everyday.  It's amazing the amount of good fats we are eating with our meals, and how satisfied we feel.  
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I've been told by several doctors that the overall number doesn't tell you anything meaningful about cholesterol - that you need to know the ratio between LDL and HDL...

azredhead -
Ghee is high in Butyrate - a short chain fatty acid that helps the cells of the intestine walls...
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2004/07/22/butyrate-and-ghee?blog=27


Yeah, following the traditional ratio thinking, I'm at a 4.  Which isn't great but it isn't bad.  I muscle tested for this stuff called policoosinal and I've been taking it and it's supposed to help regulate it.  I don't know.  All I know is it's always been overall high, but hopefully following the diets will bring it down to what it's supposed to be.  The problem with all the numbers is that we're all different.  Some people are higher and then like my wifes, her total number is 120.  My HDL is almost as high as her total.



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No, in doing that you are not in conflict with Dr. D. On page 225 of the GTD book (the Dairy list for Teachers) it says that the portion size for ghee is "as desired"  which means as much as you want even though it's not a diamond.

Flip ahead to pg. 227 (Fats & Oils) and it rates Olive oil as a Teacher diamond food - which means no limits.



Good!


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As desired for butter and ghee for Hunter.

This is so freeing.  I split open dates, take out the seed and fill the little concave center with clarified salted organic butter!  A treat indeed... so delicious.  It's like some kind of pie filling.  I can't place the taste yet.  

We are eating so much olive oil, ghee, and more butter everyday.  It's amazing the amount of good fats we are eating with our meals, and how satisfied we feel.  


Wow, that is a cool idea.  I'm going to eat something with ghee in it before I go to bed.  I think I'm going to have some oatmeal.  I had a real good amount on a rice cake today and I think it may be helping me to not have as much heartburn.  I've been getting it lately.


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it heals the intestinal walls, as Mikeo said above.....
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Butter is indeed neutral for Os, but ghee doesn't have the milk solids, which can be problematic for some sensitive Os (like me). I actually prefer ghee to butter now--it digests much more easily and the taste is delicious on just about anything.


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You know what really is shocking my old belief system with ghee, butter, and oils for Hunters is that they are mostly carte' blanch.  My old 'dieting mentality' gets a bit freaked out sometimes wondering about weight gain, etc.  IB tells me she doesn't even worry about it and has never gained a pound and uses plenty of olive oil and ghee.  

So I'm going to do the same!  I love not having to measure this stuff out and count calories... gosh.. what a pain in those old days.  Makes me tired thinking of it!  
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I don't gain weight from olive oil and ghee.


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As desired for butter and ghee for Hunter.

I split open dates, take out the seed and fill the little concave center with clarified salted organic butter!


funkymuse,

I have been making it with unsalted organic butter and then sprinkling some sea salt on after I spread it on something because I have had water retention problems with regular sodium in products.  I can't use it in an "as needed" manner unless it is unsalted.

To make ghee, Typebase and Wiki both say unsalted while Food Network just says butter.  I also checked a number of other sites and it is mixed.

Tea Rose  








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funkymuse,

I have been making it with unsalted organic butter and then sprinkling some sea salt on after I spread it on something because I have had water retention problems with regular sodium in products.



I do the same (although not because I have an issue with water retention); I just like the way the unsalted cultured butter does in the final product. I've never seen (not that it doesn't exist) a salted, cultured butter.

I use ghee in all kinds of applications: from frying eggs, to sauteeing turkey burgers, to spreading on toast. I love evoo, but I also love the browning capabilities of ghee. It's especially good in baked goods that call for butter.


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I use ghee in all kinds of applications: from frying eggs, to sauteeing turkey burgers,


I cook all my eggs in ghee, too. I too fry my beef or turkey burgers in ghee and evoo.......w/ a little salt and garlic powder. Wow! does it take the taste from bleh to yeah!!



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I cook all my eggs in ghee. I fry my beef or turkey burgers in ghee and evoo.......w/ a little salt and garlic powder. Wow! does it take the taste from bleh to yeah!!




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I agree, I even love the smell when I take the lid off the jar



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The last batch I made got too dark, too fast (mostly, I got distracted while cooking it), but it's still very tasty. It would probably taste best in sweet baked goods, but I don't want to waste it, so I'm continuing to use it for my savory foods as well.


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I use ghee for all frying...  The ghee does not break down with the high temps of frying as quickly as evoo would.

My wife uses evoo for all of her frying, which is mostly just scrambled eggs...  


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Has anybody figure out the cost of ghee compared to evoo?  I tend to save my ghee for special things, but maybe it's actually cheaper.  In baked goods, if something calls for 2 Tbsp. butter or oil, I'll use one of oil and one of ghee.  Ghee by itself is pretty strong.


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Has anybody figure out the cost of ghee compared to evoo?  .


that would depend on what you're paying for evoo. what I have came from Cortona Italy. Grown, hand picked and cold pressed there. By Frances Mayes, husband Ed and their friends. You can find evoo much cheaper of course but I feel totally confident in the care that goes into the whole 'production' of their oil, so for me, it's worth the extra cost.



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Has anybody figure out the cost of ghee compared to evoo?  I tend to save my ghee for special things,...

I guess I consider our health the most special thing we have - or have to recover...   We do make decisions about how to get what we need for less, but I haven't done an extensive comparison of ghee and olive oil...  I'm pretty sure that the ghee I make is less expensive than the evoo we get, but I'm not going to worry about the amount of oil we use.


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Ghee is expensive when you buy it.  But my Mom has been making it for everyone.  So the cost of the butter.  I'd have to compare.  How do you do that when one is a liquid and one is a solid?


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Well, I guess it's really not that hard to figure out, I just need to pour my ghee into a measuring cup and find out how many ounces I get from a pound of butter.  Then it's easy to compare.  The solid ghee doesn't take up any more or less space than liquid, I don't guess.


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Aaaaah!


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Well, I guess it's really not that hard to figure out, I just need to pour my ghee into a measuring cup and find out how many ounces I get from a pound of butter.  Then it's easy to compare.  The solid ghee doesn't take up any more or less space than liquid, I don't guess.

I get almost a pint of ghee from a pound of butter, if that helps...



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As do I.


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Drea, I also let my ghee get dark and ever since then, I love it that way. It tastes wonderful!

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Ghee, I just love it to bake my eggs in, to make my speltpancakes in, and on my speltbread. Ghee is the best saturated fatt loaded with butaric acid, THE healing fatt for hurt and irritable intestines.

I, as a Teacher (type A) love the ghee, there is no day that passes without ghee..
My friend, a Hunter loves his butter on his bread. but cooks our meals in ghee and olive oil..

My ghee varies in texture... Sometimes the ghees stays firm and other times it remains sort of liquid, so I keep it then in the fridge..
Anyone an advice for getting firm ghee??

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I haven't been eating ghee much lately...  

I am having the hardest time adjusting to making decent ghee in new cookware on a new stove. I used to have an electric stove that I knew rather... intimately, shall we say...   with the classic coils. The stove top I have now is glass and I Do Not like cooking with it.    And  figuring out the right temperature for ghee on this temperamental stove has been so frustrating!! So no yummy ghee for me now...  



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I haven't been eating ghee much lately...  

I am having the hardest time adjusting to making decent ghee in new cookware on a new stove. I used to have an electric stove that I knew rather... intimately, shall we say...   with the classic coils. The stove top I have now is glass and I Do Not like cooking with it.    And  figuring out the right temperature for ghee on this temperamental stove has been so frustrating!! So no yummy ghee for me now...  



I lived with a glass-topped electric stove for a year (not my first choice of stoves, btw; I much prefer gas), and what I found worked really well was a baked enamel pot (the kind one might take camping -- blue speckled) on the lowest setting on the smallest burner. Great ghee every time.



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Drea, I also let my ghee get dark and ever since then, I love it that way. It tastes wonderful!


I, quite by accident, 'let' mine get darker too. I thought it was ruined, but no!  I love it like that. Now I 'let' it get dark on purpose.  

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I am having the hardest time adjusting to making decent ghee in new cookware on a new stove. I used to have an electric stove that I knew rather... intimately, shall we say...   with the classic coils. The stove top I have now is glass and I Do Not like cooking with it.    And  figuring out the right temperature for ghee on this temperamental stove has been so frustrating!! So no yummy ghee for me now...  


no problem........put the butter in a baking dish, throw 'er in the oven for an hour at 350. check - if more time is needed, check it in 2 or 3 minute increments. I have never made mine on the stove, always in the oven.  



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You've got me thinking....I almost hate to say it.  But what if my gut healing has been the ghee and not necessarily my overall diet?  Would I be healed of wheat and dairy allergies if I'd followed the diet but not added in ghee?


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Is it me? I don't notice any gut healing from ghee.  I notice more benefits from evoo. But is sure tastes good...
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I lived with a glass-topped electric stove for a year (not my first choice of stoves, btw; I much prefer gas), and what I found worked really well was a baked enamel pot (the kind one might take camping -- blue speckled) on the lowest setting on the smallest burner. Great ghee every time.



ouuu now I have to dig into my camping gear! ha...But since I have an electric coil stove, I may have to go the oven route.
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What are those blue-and-black pots and pans made of?  For some reason they've always felt a little "toxic" to me.


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What are those blue-and-black pots and pans made of?  For some reason they've always felt a little "toxic" to me.


Of course, go with your gut feeling, but here's what I've found on a search: "Thick-gauge steel is double coated with high-gloss enamel for a lasting, easy-to-clean finish; stainless steel rims resist dents and nicks."



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You've got me thinking....I almost hate to say it.  But what if my gut healing has been the ghee and not necessarily my overall diet?  Would I be healed of wheat and dairy allergies if I'd followed the diet but not added in ghee?

Difficult to answer...  I would surmise, that the two worked in combination...  I mean if you had continued to eat a high toxin load, the ghee would not have been nearly as effective.  



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I lived with a glass-topped electric stove for a year (not my first choice of stoves, btw; I much prefer gas), and what I found worked really well was a baked enamel pot (the kind one might take camping -- blue speckled) on the lowest setting on the smallest burner. Great ghee every time.



Oh... great, thanks Drea!!   So it really is the stove and not just me...   Perhaps I need to try a similar type of pan.

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no problem........put the butter in a baking dish, throw 'er in the oven for an hour at 350. check - if more time is needed, check it in 2 or 3 minute increments. I have never made mine on the stove, always in the oven.  


I forgot about the oven method... thanks Pat! But I will need to experiment here as well. It took several burned dinners to figure out that the oven in this stove is much hotter than my former stove.




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I forgot about the oven method... thanks Pat! But I will need to experiment here as well. It took several burned dinners to figure out that the oven in this stove is much hotter than my former stove.


I would start out w/ 35 minutes or so and check from there.



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Ribbit, these dairy and wheat "allergies" weren't actually allergies, but more like food sensitivities, right?  If that's the case, I'm sure that healing up your gut has been the main factor in this change.  After all, food sensitivities are just adverse reactions to undigested components of certain foods (like eggs for me).
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Right now, that's what were trying to do for my son and that's how the doctors and food specialist explained it.  The allergies come from your guts being messed up and the food qualities or whatevers get into your bloodstream, where they don't belong, and mess everything up.  (to be put in a nutshell with out any technical lingo, because I don't know any).  That's why they call it "leaky gut".  Now you may have never been diagnosed with that, but I think it's common with people and "allergies".  I'm sure there are other things that cause "allergies", but that is one way it can happen.

At least, that's how I understand it.  Now there are other issues like nuts and fish that my son just can not tolerate, and I don't know if they are in the same category as these ones that just kind of mess him up.  But certain nuts will come back up almost immediately.  And some fish smells has sent him into a asthmatic condition real quick.


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as I understand........Leaky Gut Syndrome is caused by damage to the bowel lining causing increased permeability of the gut wall, allowing undigested food, toxins, waste, etc to drop into your blood stream , causing allergies and a long list of other nasties.  



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Ribbit, these dairy and wheat "allergies" weren't actually allergies, but more like food sensitivities, right?  If that's the case, I'm sure that healing up your gut has been the main factor in this change.  After all, food sensitivities are just adverse reactions to undigested components of certain foods (like eggs for me).


Well, let me explain the symptoms and maybe we can figure out if they were allergies or sensitivities.  I believe they were true allergies.  First of all I had the Vega Testing done (like Isa does) and was diagnosed with "allergies" to those foods as well as a few more.  My symptoms growing up: terrible fatigue, brain fog, muscle and joint aches from a very early age, unreasonable constipation, chronic yeast, white coating on tongue, dandruff.....I was grouchy and touchy.  I was only happy if I could be by myself.  I was depressed and suicidal (not terribly, but it was a frequent thought).

So when I was diagnosed with the allergies and stopped eating them, my digestion got slightly better.  I was still constipated but at least I went every day, albeit with great difficulty.  My depression went away.  It was like this dark cloud over my whole life lifted.  Everybody noticed a difference in me.  My cheeks weren't so pale and people started saying I looked pink instead of white.  Somebody said I had a sparkle in my eyes.

I ate wheat occasionally, usually accidentally.  My bowels would stop up and I wouldn't be able to go for two or three days.  Then finally I'd go, with difficulty, and then things would be back to normal.  But the depression would come back.  I'd start worrying about things again and be paranoid and extra touchy, sulky, confused and slow.  If I avoided wheat I was okay.  Spelt was okay.  The other grains were okay.

[Edited to add:  I think many of my learning problems as a child (dyslexia--which I think was actually dyspraxia), ADD, etc. was somewhat wheat-induced.  Because when I quit wheat at the age of 20, my brain cleared up so much that when I took classes again I could think!  I've long struggled with short-term memory loss (to the point people would look at me really weird because they'd just told me such-and-such and here I was asking them again), but after I quit wheat I had no trouble with test and pop quizzes given at short notice.  I actually did really well and I think had I quit wheat much earlier in life I would have had good grades and wouldn't have ever had to be tested and labeled as "special needs."  Also, on the mental side of wheat, some of the noise I've always had going on in my head calmed down.  I have constant music (so loud I can miss whole conversations around me), conversations with myself or others (real or imagined, sometimes I can't tell the difference--that probably means I'm insane, I don't know).  All this is still the case with me, but I can block it out better than I used to be able to, and the volume of the mental noise is lower.  It still takes a tremendous amount of energy to concentrate on a conversation (or on driving or shopping, for that matter), and it's exhausting (cause of adrenal fatigue?), but it's easier than it used to be.] End of edit addition.

If I had any dairy, even the slightest shred of cheese, I'd be in the bathroom within 24 hrs with stomach cramps comparable to labor pains.  No joke.  There were a few times where I was so dizzy the morning after dairy that I couldn't get out of bed.  I had to have help getting up or I'd fall over and have no control at all.  I wasn't just dizzy--it was like my horizon was off 90 degrees and I felt like if I was laying down everything was okay, but if I stood up or even sat up, I'd instantly hit the bed again.  Then it would all blow through and the dizziness would instantly be gone.  

So I don't know if those are allergies or intolerances.  At any rate, they're gone now, and I am supremely thankful and happy.


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Good thread...I will get some ghee this weekend.  
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Wow, I bet those really were allergies!  I am almost ashamed to complain about my pitiful problems after reading what you've been through.

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I have constant music (so loud I can miss whole conversations around me), conversations with myself or others (real or imagined, sometimes I can't tell the difference--that probably means I'm insane, I don't know).

Ah, me too.   Insanity isn't as bad as they say it is.
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Ribbit,
I can just say that there are so many things in your post that I can relate to...  Glad you are feeling much better...


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I just made a fresh batch. A bit more dark than I had meant to but it ought to be fine.
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GCG,
What filter material do you use?  
Whenever I get the ghee a bit dark, it doesn't flow through the coffee filter that I use...


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Well today I couldn't find any coffee filters so I used a double layer of plain white paper towels.
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ABJoe, I have the same problem using coffee filters with darker ghee, so I, too, use unbleached paper towels inside metal funnel.


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I just made a fresh batch. A bit more dark than I had meant to but it ought to be fine.


you might find you prefer it that way.  



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I don't like it as much once it turns tan...  I also read that it is partially burned, so some of the heat degradation that we really want to avoid has happened.  I try to not let it get to that point, but alas, I sometimes forget what I'm doing (or how many things I am doing)...


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Well I make it using the oven method and the first batch started out with a cool oven and a cool casserole dish. For the second pound I just put it in the same dish and back into the already hot oven but I left it 3 minutes longer, got distracted. I had cleaned and washed my ghee container and one pound of butter doesn't make enough to fill it 1/4 of the way.
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The stove method is easier for me. It takes 20 mins and I watch it while I'm cooking.  I do only 2 sticks at a time because I use more evoo than ghee. Evoo is a diamond. I'd forget about it if I did it in the oven. I've been making ghee for 18 years.
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Ok...I bought ghee this weekend...what a good taste...thank you for this post. I also bought carob powder...another taste treat.  These are things that are on my list of good foods but I never got around to trying them...so glad that I did.
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Wow Rex...imagine what good shape you are going to be in now?.  Watch your skin.

And Bill can have it too.

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Deb...I already used the ghee on the brown rice that I prepared for Bill yesterday...he thought he had died & gone to heaven.  I'm trying to keep his meals tasty so he'll stick with it...so far he has lost 8 pounds & feels mentally & physically very good.
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wait till you taste your own home made ghee!!


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Deb...I already used the ghee on the brown rice that I prepared for Bill yesterday...he thought he had died & gone to heaven.


Funny how taste buds are so dif. Rich says he doesn't like the taste. He does eat his eggs fried in it 5 days a week tho.    And anything I make w/ butter, he gets ghee. If he makes it, he uses margarine.     He won't give it up tho............yet.  



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Deb...I already used the ghee on the brown rice that I prepared for Bill yesterday...he thought he had died & gone to heaven. I'm trying to keep his meals tasty so he'll stick with it...so far he has lost 8 pounds & feels mentally & physically very good.


As my sister-in-law says 'It's like putting candy of your veggies.'  For me it has such a nice caramely/butterscotchy flavor.  And yes...Lola is right...wait till you make your own.
Congrats to Bill on the 8 lbs.

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Deb & Lola...after I use up this store-bought ghee I will try my hand at making it myself...I have become quite the cook since it's the only way to guarantee that there are no avoids in my food...commercial foods have a habit os sneaking those avoids into their recipes.

Deb...I always tell Bill that you post about him...his reaction is always a smile.  By the way...Bill got on the scale this morning and I saw another smile...he lost another pound bringing his weight-loss to 9 pounds!
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congratulations to his coach as well!!


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Wow, I bet those really were allergies!  I am almost ashamed to complain about my pitiful problems after reading what you've been through.

No, that's okay.  Complain all you want.  We're all ears here.

Ah, me too.   Insanity isn't as bad as they say it is.

True.   One thing I noticed about the children with autism I used to work with--I could so relate to this:  They were perfectly happy being in their own little world.  No complaints from them.  They enjoyed sitting there, rocking, and listening to whatever was going on inside their heads.  They only got aggressive when we stepped in and tried to tell them what they felt/heard/saw/thought was wrong and they had to come join us in our world.  




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.... children with autism ... They were perfectly happy being in their own little world.  No complaints from them.  They enjoyed sitting there, rocking, and listening to whatever was going on inside their heads.  They only got aggressive when we stepped in and tried to tell them what they felt/heard/saw/thought was wrong and they had to come join us in our world.  


I remember some time ago getting an email pertaining to how an austitic person does not realize they are 'missing' anything. To them, they're not. They are perfectly happy just as they are. Lucky them........no worries, no trying to keep up w/ the Jones, etc.
On that same note........not long ago I saw a show about an autistic boy lost in the woods for several days. When they found him, he didn't even have a scratch. They said him being autistic is what saved him. He didn't realize he was lost, so he didn't panic. He just did what he does.....  
I saw Jim Carey on Oprah a while back. He dates Jenny McCarthy who has an autistic child. Jim said he really is interested in learning what goes on in the mind. It's really quite something to think about.
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My sister didn't go to a conference about autism because she was the keynote speaker.  She doesn't like the way she portrays herself morally and has in the past.  But, I did read that Ms. McCarthy and Mr. Carey were both using very alternative methods to help treat her child.  Such as metal detoxing etc, and it was working.  It would be nice if some regular M.D.'s would get the picture and start looking into some of these problems instead of pushing drugs that cover up symptoms.

BTW, ribbit, you I can't believe you had to deal with all that growing up.  I was blessed.  I didn't have problems growing up like that.  I can see why you are such a proponent of the diet.  Wow.  I pray you continue to heal and your family too.  


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I believe for me it was a spiritual issue as well as a physical one, but that's not something I talk much about on this forum.  It all goes hand in hand, or so it seems.

I've read a couple of articles about Jenny McCarthy's son and they do talk a good bit about their alternative treatments.  As much as some of disagree with her morals, the more word gets out about the connection between food, environment and autism, the better.


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Whoooo Hooo!!!

I just made my first batch of ghee and it took all of 15 minutes at the most and turned out fabulous!  I made it stove top on an electric stove with one of my expensive sauce pans that has a thick inner non-stick coating (not teflon).  

I looked up how to make it on the web and ended up using the simpleist instructions.  I had wanted to make it in the oven like Italybound but I didn't have a deep enough oven pan.

Anyway.. what I'm so excited about is what you all have been saying for quite some time now... that it's MUCH CHEAPER than buying ghee off the shelve!

I got my organic butter from costco at $3.50 per lb and I get 2 - 8 oz jars of ghee from that.  That is $1.75 per jar!  Wow-za!!!

The cheapest ghee I have  EVER been able to locate through Amazon (and not even organic) is $4.00 per 8 oz jar.  I was about to buy another batch of that but decided to go ahead and give this a try.

I am so glad I did!  Thanks everyone!  It's kind of fun too.  It's so simple that I'd be a bonehead not to continue.       
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Funky, when I make it in the oven (which is rare), I just put the butter in a 9X13 glass dish.


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Funky, when I make it in the oven (which is rare), I just put the butter in a 9X13 glass dish.


Thanks Ribbet.    But I don't have one of those yet...      I'm looking into getting more glass however due to the toxic properties of the plastics.  
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Funky, when I make it in the oven (which is rare), I just put the butter in a 9X13 glass dish.


Do you cover it with something? Whenever I make ghee on the stove top I always cover the glass pan with a spatter screen to minimize the clean up.



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Do you cover it with something? Whenever I make ghee on the stove top I always cover the glass pan with a spatter screen to minimize the clean up.



Drea... It didn't sputter enough to get outside of the pan.  It was really fine.  I used a pan that was about two times higher than the height of the butter.   It was so much easier than I've read from others.  I was glad of that... I was kind of scared to do it!  

Also Italybound says when you make it in the oven you need to put a like a flat pan underneith and also cover it with foil with little holes in the top for it to breath.
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Also Italybound says when you make it in the oven you need to put a like a flat pan underneath and also cover it with foil with little holes in the top for it to breath.


If you use foil to cover the dish........yes, poke some li'l holes in it and put a flat pan or something underneath it. If you have a lid that fits the dish, that's not necessary. I broke my ghee baking dish, so now I have to use the foil, etc. But that's okay...........it's so simple, I don't mind.

Glad you finally dove in Funkymuse.    Gosh, now you'll be making it all the time won't ya?  



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wait till you taste your own home made ghee!!



Oh yeah, it tastes way better than store bought!  
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I've never had my ghee splatter.  It just gently churns and chuckles and chirrups.  (If you've made it yourself you'll know what I'm talking about.)


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I've never had my ghee splatter.  It just gently churns and chuckles and chirrups.  (If you've made it yourself you'll know what I'm talking about.)


yup, that's what mine did!  And yes IB, I will be making it all the time!  Have to finish up the old store bought stuff before digging into the two beautiful jars we made, but it won't be long!

Thanks All!
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When I made ghee on the (previous) electric stove, I never had a splatter problem, but now that I'm back to using a gas stove, I can't seem to get the flame low enough not to splatter. I'm even using a diffuser under the pot to try to even the heat.   Oh well. A splatter screen keeps more of the ghee in the pan and less on the stove, so I really can't complain too much!


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I believe for me it was a spiritual issue as well as a physical one, but that's not something I talk much about on this forum.  It all goes hand in hand, or so it seems.

I've read a couple of articles about Jenny McCarthy's son and they do talk a good bit about their alternative treatments.  As much as some of disagree with her morals, the more word gets out about the connection between food, environment and autism, the better.


I agree on all accounts.  Especially because so many people act like hollyweird knows all, people hopefully will take note about the solutions they have found.  At least in this case.  


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When I made ghee on the (previous) electric stove, I never had a splatter problem, but now that I'm back to using a gas stove, I can't seem to get the flame low enough not to splatter. I'm even using a diffuser under the pot to try to even the heat.   Oh well. A splatter screen keeps more of the ghee in the pan and less on the stove, so I really can't complain too much!


Try a real heavy bottomed sauce pan. The thicker bottom will help. I have a gas stove. I have Salad Master waterless and they're pretty heavy.

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Try a real heavy bottomed sauce pan. The thicker bottom will help. I have a gas stove. I have Salad Master waterless and they're pretty heavy.



Thanks, MF. Now that I think about it, that was the difference between splattering and not splattering when I used to make it back in CA.  


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So... I accidently cooked the ghee too long today and it got kind of brown... (burnt?)

Is it still beneficial to ingest?
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I think it's OK.  My Mom did the same thing and we all ate it.  It has an interesting flavor.  I don't think it's something that should be done every time, because of possible carcinogens, but I think it's probably not going to hurt you too bad.  Although, you could be the judge of that after eating it.  Plus, someone else may have a different stance on it.


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It's great that so many folks are starting to make your own ghee.  Isn't it surprisingly easy??

I melt 1 pound of organic butter in a 2 quart stainless steel pot with copper bottom;  no lid.  The heat stays low, so that it only burbles and chirrups, like ribbit's ghee does.  

I've found another thing that shortens the process:  When the sediment on the bottom turns golden brown, and the song of the ghee gets quiet, I take it off the heat (before the ghee turns brown).  I let it sit for 10 minutes or so, and then just slowly pour it through a fine metal mesh strainer, with no liner at all.  The sediment all stays behind in the pot, and the liquid ghee is very clean.



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Yessssss.  What a beautiful song.  

Blblblbblb...chirrup....blb...chirp.  Kind of like that.  And the smell....ah, the rich aroma.  It makes me wide-eyed and anticipatory, if that's a word.

I miss my ghee.  Since the dr tells me I'm supposed to have only raw milk now I haven't been making ghee. I tried with raw cream, but it only made about 2 Tbsp. and it didn't taste the same.  It tasted like butter instead of ghee.  It was really good, don't get me wrong, but I missed the richness.  I'm going to find out if the guys I get the raw milk from sell raw butter too.  Then I can make my ghee from that.


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What, no ghee for you?  


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It's just terrible.  Tears me up inside.  I grieve over the loss.

Ah, well, next time I'm there I'll ask the dr to please let me have my ghee.  I'm taking a homeopathic something-or-other called Aller-Milk I think, that's supposed to help get me over the problem.  We'll see.


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I tried with raw cream, but it only made about 2 Tbsp. and it didn't taste the same.

It might be better to make butter from the cream first, then make ghee from the butter...  It's been too long since I've made butter, so don't remember the ratios, but there is usually quite a bit of the liquid leaves as runny buttermilk.  This doesn't leave as much butterfat for ghee!


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Well, I tried.  I poured off the cream (mistake--I should have spooned it out) and beat it for a while, hoping to make whipped cream then butter.  I've done that before, but this time I beat it and beat it but it only made little tiny bits of butter.  I strained it out and made the ghee from the butter that did form.

No, I don't have any noticeable reaction to dairy anymore.  I used to have dizziness, nausea and terrible cramping and diarrhea.  Since the Warrior diet I have had no trouble with any dairy except some once with whipped cream. I don't have any trouble with cheese (even avoid cheeses), ghee or butter.  I don't know why I tested allergic to it--must be the chemicals or hormones or something, I don't know.


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Some cream just doesn't make butter well...  I remember several times when I was making butter, with an old churn, that I would crank and crank and it would just make these little globules and they never congealed...  This only happened a couple of times, but it can happen - part of the variability of natural products...


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I thought maybe I was just a sour creamer.


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Dude, that's just wrong!!!!!!!!  

Hopefully it's not a permanent thing!!!!!     I will pray for a speedy recovery to your aversion to ghee.  

Have you tried walnut oil for cooking?  I use it sometimes.  Actually I did a type of stir fry last night with it.  Cucumbers, some already cooked broccoli, mushrooms, pine nuts, cumin and an egg.  Oh, and a little lamburger.  Mozerella cheese on top.  Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm it was good.


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I accidently came close to burning my ghee and discovered that I love it better darker.  The taste is so delicious!

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