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Mayflowers
Sunday, May 11, 2008, 4:44pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Dr. D is right...yet again! I'm reading Vegetarian Times and there's a section on "Ask the Doc" about soy causing breast cancer and thyroid issues.  New studies show that women who eat 1 cup of tofu a day have 30% LESS risk of breast cancer than women who don't eat it. Soy does not increase the risk of fibroids. It might even reduce the risk.

Thyroid? Some studies are showing that it might take up some of the iodine that is used by the body for the thyroid function, which is also true of fiber supplementation. Women who eat soy might need slightly more iodine in their diets. They don't recommend eating processed soy products as they are unhealthy..(of course we knew that..)


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funkymuse
Sunday, May 11, 2008, 6:02pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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For type O Women it is recommended for menopause.

For Hunter women it is not recommended.

So I'm wondering if soy surpasses all of the rules if you are in the menopause crunch!?
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no mention of soy for Os....


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Mayflowers
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I guess that depends if you're following the BTD or GTD. It's ok for everyone in the BTD except O nonnies.
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accidental_chef
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In the Cardio Vascular book, all forms of soy are recommended for O sec, as neutral frequently allowed.

Soy always sat like concrete in my stomach.

Then came genotype and soy became a toxin for Hunters.

That explains it, I thought.


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Quoted from accidental_chef
In the Cardio Vascular book, all forms of soy are recommended for O sec, as neutral frequently allowed.

Soy always sat like concrete in my stomach.

Then came genotype and soy became a toxin for Hunters.

That explains it, I thought.


It is also a toxin for Explorers. That explains all the hormonal and metabolic chaos it caused me.


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yet in the menopause book it turns into an infrequent neutral for secretors, and an avoid for nonnies.


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To O nonnies, hunters and explorers: what effects does ingesting soy have on you?

Quoted from Captain_Janeway

It is also a toxin for Explorers. That explains all the hormonal and metabolic chaos it caused me.
Do you feel comfortable describing the chaos?  I'm just wondering what symptoms to look for in my wife, daughter and me.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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To O nonnies, hunters and explorers: what effects does ingesting soy have on you?

Do you feel comfortable describing the chaos?  I'm just wondering what symptoms to look for in my wife, daughter and me.


In my case,I would end up with joint pain and stiffness not to mention the hormonal highs and lows mostly the irritability that came from having excessive estrogenic stimulation that my system cannot handle.

I really never understood why it was so great for the A blood type. It really did not have the effects that it should have, at least on me. I am really not sorry for being on the A non diet for which soy is only a neutral.


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My AB daughter is VERY allergic to soy.  It's not just "feeling bad."  It's red blotches all over her face especially around her mouth and eyes and unconsolable crying and feet/leg aching to the point she can hardly walk.  Anyway, I couldn't ever understand why as an AB she was allergic to it.  But maybe, just maybe, she's a Nomad.  That would explain it all.


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The only way I've eaten soy is in tofu, but I have never wanted to eat very much...  If I get a small package, I can usually eat it before it goes bad, but I don't havae a desire for it at all.

Pinto beans or almonds (whole and butter), on the other hand, are staples in my diet.  


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Quoted from Captain_Janeway


In my case,I would end up with joint pain and stiffness not to mention the hormonal highs and lows mostly the irritability that came from having excessive estrogenic stimulation that my system cannot handle.

I really never understood why it was so great for the A blood type. It really did not have the effects that it should have, at least on me. I am really not sorry for being on the A non diet for which soy is only a neutral.


I try not to over-indulge in any food. That is one reason why I have howled so much about my inability to eat any of the diamond beans on the Warrior diet. Where was I supposed to get enough protein without the beans apart from over-indulging in soy products? It ain't going to happen! Soy milk doesn't seem to bother me but it is only a neutral.
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Well, Spring, I can't eat any beans either because of nursing the baby.  But the more raw I eat the less protein I seem to need.  I don't eat any soy or beans, and I get my protein from nuts, black-eye peas (I think they're only neutral now ) and a little cheese.  But like I said, I'm finding that when I eat 2-3 meals a day completely raw I just don't need protein.


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Quoted from SquarePeg
To O nonnies, hunters and explorers: what effects does ingesting soy have on you?

Do you feel comfortable describing the chaos?  I'm just wondering what symptoms to look for in my wife, daughter and me.


For this explorer, soy is wonderful food!!

Not including it in my diet leads:
  • Dizziness
  • Digestive problems
  • tiredness


I do not seem to have adverse reactions to traditional soy products such as miso and tempeh as long as I do not
do them in excess.

Tofu I normally tolerate well. A few brands seem to not
be so good for me.

Soy milk is not as good, particularly when it contains other ingredients.

I generally do poorly with soy sauces and Braggs.

Processed soy products such as TVP are not good for me.




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Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 9:56am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I will keep this as short as possible, but for a long time, Anxiety and a bit of Depression from that have been a lifelong struggle. Now to give you an idea of how much i have tried to help myself in this department, here is the run down.

1: I Swim 4 Times a Week
2: I meditate for an hour every day using Holosync
3: I eat mostly Organic
4: I don't drink Alcohol
5: I don't smoke
6: I don't drink coffee or tea
7: I avoid sugar ( and everything on my avoids list for Type A )

etc....

Now i have heard recently that Soy has high levels of Tryptophan thus in turn producing Serotonin to enhance mood and help alleviate anxiety and depression, but there appears to be a carbohydrate or food link that if you do not have this or something in particular then Serotonin will not be produced from the protein in Soy!?..

So can someone tell me what i would need to do or foods i would need to eat as per my blood type combined with Soy to ensure that the levels of Serotonin i require are actually released!?!?!?.... I am very confused by this.

And then i find this article which is essentially stating the complete opposite. Now i am even MORE confused!!
ttp://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soyandbrain.html

Thank You.
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Andrea AWsec
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You have A blood.. so that puts in a special class of individuals that will do well on soy.
  Chosing the more pure forms of soy.. tofu, tempeh and soy beans are the best. Soy milk has been tampered with.
So eat soy and see how you feel. I do know that if you started to look at each food on your A food list you would probably come  up with more foods that will elevate your mood.
Gene linkage is at play here as the Blood Type gene sits on top of or next to the one that effects doapmine and I believe serotonin. This gene linkage is important because one gene will effect another that is in close proximity.

Weston price does not take Blood type into account. You will need new glasses for this diet.. blood type glasses.. everything must be looked at with them on.


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funkymuse
Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 12:45pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Westsoy Soy Milk - Original Plain... has just soy beans and water.  It's great.
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Andrea AWsec
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Yup but I don't want the OP to sub in soy milk for the tofu and tempeh.
  
   I know that my teacher daughter BT A is better off without any soy milk  no matter how pure it is. All other soy products she does well with.
I don't want to get side tracked.
Soy is just a good thing for us A's.


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funkymuse
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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Yup but I don't want the OP to sub in soy milk for the tofu and tempeh.
  
   I know that my teacher daughter BT A is better off without any soy milk  no matter how pure it is. All other soy products she does well with.
I don't want to get side tracked.
Soy is just a good thing for us A's.


What about homemade soy milk?  It's just soy beans mixed with water... isn't that what tofu is?  I mean... I know other commercial brands with junk in them certainly arn't good... but if you just have soybeans and water on the table and you mush them together, you get the same benies from the soy, right?  

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Hi brotha',

  Try omega 3's as in fish oil..1,000 mg elevates the mood. I use Iceland Health and I feel it helps a lot.

  I'm not loving the holosync.  I have concerns about using something that meditates you.  Even Dr. D said, "There are no shortcuts, you have to do the work"..I think that's with everything.. The holosync might be affecting you.  I'm saying this because I own some holosync too. I use it occasionally but I meditate myself, and I find when I am in control, I seem to have more gains..But don't take my word for it. Try meditating by yourself, learn TM if you have to, and give it a month to see if your depression is any better.  
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funkymuse
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Listen, I just got the book on Chia Seeds and have started to take this diamond food.  LOADED with Omega 3's - more than fish oil and safe too.  And cheaper!  No mercury or other heavy metals.

We take um both... but thinking of dropping fish oil because of the accumulative dangers of the metals.

Worth a try!
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Mayflowers
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Funkymuse, The brand I take, Iceland Health is pharmaceutical grade.

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It's pharmaceutical grade so it's free of virtually all toxins and is the cleanest, purest and most potent natural omega-3 product available.


Besides, chia seeds don't elevate your mood. That's what blade is looking for. (I have to say that I haven't seen any studies or reports that chia seeds elevate one's mood)
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Funkymuse, The brand I take, Iceland Health is pharmaceutical grade.



Besides, chia seeds don't elevate your mood. That's what blade is looking for. (I have to say that I haven't seen any studies or reports that chia seeds elevate one's mood)


Well.. possibly Rhodiola?  If brain chemistry and mood are affected by Omega 3's and 6's why wouldn't chia seeds work as well as fish oils?  If indeed that is his issue.  I mean we all have different brain chemistry needs.

Chia seeds give one tons of energy after about 6 weeks of use.  The book gives many testimonies!
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I was just thinking that myself about chia seeds lifting mood, but I haven't seen any reports that it does compared to fish oil. I should be using chia and flax anyways becuase I'm an A (you know the vegetarian thing) but Chia is not a beneficial for me. Just flax. It is a neutral..what book are we speaking of??  
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What if it is not a chemical thing but rather adding a new habit. I didn't see journaling on the list.

I do something called the morning pages. It's writing anything and everything that you can possibly get out of your head and fill 3 pages every morning before you do anything else.

There is no need to correct spelling, complete sentences, correct grammar or anything that makes sense. It does not have to flow. Yes 3 pages and yes every morning.

Then throw them out. Do NOT show them to anyone and do not go back over them.  (I shred mine) This helped me get out of my rut.

It's not my idea. I learned of this tool from a book by teacher Julia Cameron.  
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