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Mickey
Sunday, January 6, 2008, 2:50am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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The special is an investigative piece on fad diets.  Though we all know that the BTD is no fad diet!.  All they have to do is come to the message board and see how many people have been on it 5 years or more, fad diets don't last that long!.

Anyways, it was soo cool to see Dr. D on TV since i've only seen the pictures of him on the website.  They showed a lady (Ms. Kuhn)who has lost 45 pounds on the BTD and they also said that Hugh Grant, Elizabeth Hurley and someother celebrity follow it.  It was nice that they did let Dr. D explain the BTD alittle instead of just discounting it.  Though they did say there is no scientific evidence that it works, who cares about scientific evidence!.  I don't care if something has scientific evidence or not, if it doesn't work i'm not going to follow it!.  Obviously all you have to do is take a look at the message board to know that it works!.  I dare them to take a look!.

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well, how about that!!


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I am sure Oprah show is to come. After all he does mention her in the Genotype book.


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Do you know when Dr. D will be on Oprah show? I look forward to it.


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Nope I am just supposing ( opinion/speculation) it will happen in the future.


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"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Though they did say there is no scientific evidence that it works, who cares about scientific evidence!.  I don't care if something has scientific evidence or not, if it doesn't work i'm not going to follow it


While it's great to see that you're so courageous and loyal towards that which actually works, I do have to point out that the popular press that there is "no evidence" for Dr. D's diet, is just flat-out wrong.  There is lots of evidence for it... it's just that, to a large degree, it's a semantic game of wording whereby it may be said that something has "scientific evidence" or not...

The evidence in favor of Dr. D's diet has been done over the years, here and there, on particular lectins in various foods, and how they cause things like blood cell immune reactivity and clumping, among other things.

But, until Dr. D, all of these studies were scattered all over the place, here and there, as the subject of the occasional curiosity and basic information-gathering, for no specific purpose.  It was Dr. D who specifically took it upon himself to sift through countless studies all over the place, and put the results together into one, elegant and supremely useful package.

The only thing that, to my knowledge, has not been done, is an actual, large-scale research study which unbiasedly applies Dr. D's diet and protocol to patient groups, to see if it has "formal" validity... and, by "formal", I mean is it officially recognized by the currently-dominant scientific papacy, according to its traditional and widely-accepted rules of clinical research.

However, there are other ways to validate things, other than controlled studies... it all depends on what people such as you and I will regard as satisfactory.  So far, what has apparently been collected to validate Dr. D's protocols, are the prior research studies from published literature themselves, and what might be called "formal anecdotal evidence", as defined here, which I got from the website answers.com:  

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Anecdotal evidence can have varying degrees of formality. For instance, in medicine, published anecdotal evidence is called a case report, which is a more formalized type of evidence subjected to peer review. Although such evidence is not regarded as scientific, it is sometimes regarded as an invitation to more rigorous scientific study of the phenomenon in question. For instance, one study found that 35 of 47 anecdotal reports of side effects were later sustained as "clearly correct."


So, therefore you could say that Dr. D's works are substantiated by research literature, as well as something like observational and experimental studies... But what really is being objected to, is that there haven't been any clinical studies conducted with the prior priestly approval of the scientific papacy.  

However, as you yourself have noted, the diet actually works.  It's just that the dominating scientific papacy puts pressure on nothing being said to be "real" until it says it's real.

Beyond this, it may also be noted that this same group of people which cliqueishly and doggedly denies the validity of Dr. D's diet because they have "no scientific evidence", is the same group of people who have no problem hastily rushing some extremely expensive and, ultimately, harmful drug onto the market, based upon research evidence which, when a trained eye scrutinizes it, shows no statistically-significant performance of the new-fangled drug over just some placebo pill.  In a very real sense, these drugs are actually being tested on the general population... We are their lab rats, and they even dare to earn a tidy profit while they test their drugs on us, "recalling" the drugs when they sicken us.

So, so much for their validity as proponents of "scientific evidence"...

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HUZZAH HOORAH  Ron-0-Non!!!!


Beautifully stated!   If you don't mind may I use some of your words / metaphors when discussing the deplorable state of our union with friends?

My Hero  

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When I state a result, it is 'anecdotal.'

When Dean Ornish states a result, it is a 'self-reported outcome.'


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Beautifully stated!   If you don't mind may I use some of your words / metaphors when discussing the deplorable state of our union with friends?


Sure, why not!
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When I state a result, it is 'anecdotal.'

When Dean Ornish states a result, it is a 'self-reported outcome.'


I've heard that called "double-speak"... and Orwell called it "news-speak".  And I guess that second term is more appropriate, as it is the news media which so often reports Ornish's findings.
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Dr. D also gave commentary on diet products and other general information.  I thought he was presented as a very moderate authority and didn't come off as a fad.  WW and Jenny Craig were also mentioned, so it was a very balanced program with many diets covered.  It will show over and over again, so look for it on E if you have a chance.  I saw it this weekend.

The brief criticism was about no independent verification of his research.  Dr. D bases so much on data from other researchers that is in the literature.  To me, what he does is put all the pieces together.


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Also, there were no examples of poor outcomes with the bloodtype diet whereas there were heartbreaking stories about a baby starving to death on a vegan diet and a death after bypass surgery.  I didn't get the impression that the BTD was at the fad end of the spectrum from this show.


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...they also said that Hugh Grant, Elizabeth Hurley and someother celebrity follow it.

Was it Jenna Elfman ("Dharma" of "Dharma and Greg" fame)?  She follows the BTD, or did at one time, anyway.



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Oh check out Dr. D hob nobbing on E- love it! Just don't get on the "Soup"! I still say that this is the best diet and wonderful web site for that diet there could possibly be. Even the author gets on it! It can't get more personable than that...Aani


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Was it Jenna Elfman ("Dharma" of "Dharma and Greg" fame)?  She follows the BTD, or did at one time, anyway.



It was Neve Campbell.  I'm not sure how to spell that first name.


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Well, you know you are getting "up there" a bit when you don't know who any of these younger generation movie stars are...and furthermore, you don't care!     I've heard the name, but have no clue, Neve-wise.

I'm not a big movie person, I'm more of a TV addict (although there is only one show currently on that I LOVE and care about, and then another that I like and enjoy  ...and then about a zillion more that I think are stoooo-pit, yet watch anyway *lol*).

Another celeb who either follows the BTD or said she does is that Kathy someone-or-another comedian ("My Life on the D List").  I am not a big fan of hers, but more power to her if she follows the BTD!  Anyone who follows the BTD or GTD is automatically part of the Ya Ya Sister-n-Brotherhood here!


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Kathy Griffin is on the BTD???????!  O my goodness!


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I'm with you I recognize names and faces, but don't always know who goes with which name or why they are famous.  I don't watch much TV or listen to too much radio.  I do know Hugh Grant.  It's hard for me to imagine him following any diet, but he always looks in good shape, like weight is not an issue.


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