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TJ
Wednesday, November 28, 2007, 5:19pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I've been rethinking this question lately.  Many months ago, before discovering BTD, I was in the process of sorting through my diet trying to find food intolerances.  The first food I ever "tested" for was eggs.   I decided I would eat two scrambled eggs for breakfast for three days in a row, and watch the results.  The day before I started, I was cycling back up out of a depressive phase, so I figured this was a good starting point.  The first day of eggs I was fine.   Second day, I felt like I was started back down again.   The third day, I woke up utterly miserable.   I had considered eating eggs that morning, too, but I figured, "this is enough proof!"  So two eggs, two days in a row was all I was willing to stomach.

I went for a couple of weeks before eating eggs again, then, just to not over-do it, I only ate one scrambled egg at breakfast.  But I didn't notice a big difference then -- I was already feeling "blah" the day before, and still felt "blah" that day and the next.

Unfortunately, along with the eggs I was eating lots of other "avoid" garbage, like frozen pizza, breakfast cereal almost daily, too much sugar, and wheat galore (I didn't know about BTD yet ), so the results might not be worth much.  On the other hand, my dad also notices that eggs affect him badly (feeling lazy and unmotivated all day when he eats eggs at breakfast).  I don't know his blood type, but his best guess is O, and he eats stuff with the eggs that aren't good for O's, like bacon/sausage, pancake syrup, and wheat bread toast.  Ack!  Too many variables in this equation!

So are the results convincing to anyone else that I shouldn't eat eggs?  I'm prone to thinking I should try them again, but I'm also just now recovering (I hope) from unknowingly eating a bunch of corn syrup on Monday of last week, so I don't want to upset the cart.  
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Try your experiment within BTD parameters and see......
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choose food from your beneficial category first, and go from there.


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I think you will find that your tolerance for foods will continue to change for many months, and maybe years, after starting the BTD.

Therefore, if something that is supposed to be OK for your type doesn't work for you now, then if you want to try it again in several months and see if you have changed.


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Even after nearly 10 years on the BTD, I am still noticing changes for the better in my health as well as my ability to digest and assimilate foods that used to cause me problems.  The bottom line for me is that I eat only within the parameters of my own blood type foods now.  Our bodies have an amazing capacity to heal when given the chance.

And I don't think you can really trust the long range effects of a food test if you were eating avoids.



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Ok, with that advice, I think I will give them a try once more.  I'll let y'all know how it goes.  But first, I've got to go get me some eggs....
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I wonder what else you might've had along with the eggs during your experiment?  Toast?  Hash browns?  Sausage / bacon?  Did you add milk to the mix to lighten them?  What oil did you use in the  pan?

What would you have eaten instead of the eggs?  Oatmeal?  Corn Flakes?

Basically, I'm wondering if the reaction you're having may be from something related to these egg breakfasts but not the eggs themselves.  It might be another ingredient that's eaten with the eggs.  Or it might be the withdrawal of a food that makes you feel good.

I hope you find the answer!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Why don't you start out gradually, such as 1 egg every other day for a while and give your body a chance to get used to it?



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Try scrambling some eggs just in ghee and don't have any of the avoids with it and see how you feel.  I find that they are a great boost for me in the morning.
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Quoted from SquarePeg
Basically, I'm wondering if the reaction you're having may be from something related to these egg breakfasts but not the eggs themselves.


That's what I'm wondering, too.  Looking back over my food journal during that time, 90% of my food contained at least some avoids, and >50% of what I ate was mostly made of avoids.  ESPECIALLY my breakfasts!  Then of course, I may really have (or have had) a mild sensitivity to eggs, and four whole eggs in two days was just way beyond my tolerance zone.  I think Victoria is right, that I should ease them back into my diet.

Since eggs are such a high-protein food, and a common sensitivity for many people, is the old "leaky gut" syndrome a consideration here?
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get rid of all the avoid lectins in your diet first!
then go on to the next level, and so on.....


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get rid of all the avoid lectins in your diet first!
then go on to the next level, and so on.....


I'm already there baby!
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It is entirely possible that there was some leaky gut activity...

Do you tolerate ghee well?  It is good for aiding the healing process as well as Dr D's Intrinsa.  I had really messed up my digestive tract prior to BTD, so it is taking awhile to heal, but the combination is helping immensely.

For me, eggs are one of the most tolerated proteins.  When I'm feeling the worst, eggs are usually what protein is best...  Of course, individuality makes a huge difference...


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I'm with you on that point, ABJoe.  If I'm feeling under the weather I usually don't feel like eating red meat.  At those times, I'll have a couple of soft boiled eggs, a light scramble in ghee, or a light omlet.  I don't eat eggs that are hard boiled or otherwise long-cooked.  The protein becomes harder to digest.

Sometimes for a quick lunch, I'll have a hearty soup with a beaten egg drizzled in just before taking it off the heat.  It's like an egg-drop soup.

I make a big pot of soup on the weekend, enough for the week, so I always have the option of a bowl of soup on these cold days.  This is where the slow cooked marrow bones and long cooked vegetable stocks really work well.



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So I finally went and got some eggs.  I had 1 scrambled on Friday and 1 on Saturday.  I think it was a bit too much, since I've been feeling a little "off".  Perhaps I should limit myself to using eggs in recipes, rather than eating them outright.
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I'm sorry you don't feel well!

Were you able to get chemical-free eggs from free-range chickens?    

Do you cook the eggs well-done or soft?  I find the well-done eggs don't digest in my stomach, and make me feel  .



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I did get free-range eggs, partly because I'm partial to brown eggs over white.  We had chickens when I was growing up, and they always laid brown eggs.

The first one I cooked in the microwave, and it was just done enough.  The second one was a little over-cooked, though, in the skillet.  Both of them were scrambled.

At any rate, I think I will lay off them again, especially in consideration of my recent backsliding (as in my health, not in eating avoids).  See: http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-lr4yt/m-1196804083/s-new/#num1
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Oh, Hallelujah!  Praise to the Genotype Diet, which, in less than one month, has healed my leaky gut enough that I can enjoy eggs again!  It seems that gluten intolerance is yet another piece of the puzzle for me, one that I didn't recognize or address until shortly after beginning the GTD.  Now after having eliminated all the gluten from my diet, I am being repaid for my trouble.
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I think we already establlished that you are my husband with a different head.

Now, way pre-BTD eggs was one of the foods that he didn't tolerate well, along with dairy and all gluten.

Several months after being on the BTD, I convinced him that maybe the BTD had healed him and he could try eggs again.  So he tried them and they were fine!  Then I convinced him to try dairy, and it's fine!  Now I have to try to convince him to try oats again, but he's afraid of them.  However, he manages a bite or two of a gluten-something here and there without any trouble at all.

Here's hoping that since he could do it, you can do it.  After all, y'all are identical twins, without matching heads.


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I think we already establlished that you are my husband with a different head.


Hilarious!

...and without the PhD in Genetics.
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If you want to truly understand to which foods you are intolerant, you should do a controlled elimination diet.  This involves cutting out all possibly allergenic/intolerant foods (eg: wheat, gluten, sugar, dairy, red meat, eggs, tomatoes, bananas, peanuts, etc - I'm sure you could find a good list online if you search) for a certain period of time, I think I've heard people doing this for 3-4 weeks minimum.  Then you add back foods one at a time, starting with foods you think you are OK with.  You add back the food for 3 days and eat as much of it as you can in that time and note your reactions.  I haven't had the "official education" in elimination diets at school yet, but you can probably find lots of info online.

This does take a lot of time, but there is an enormous amount of learning to gain too.  The key is to remove all possible problem foods from the diet to eliminate (or at least minimize) any possible cross reactions or just general reactivity or maldigestion which may obscure the results.

This can be really helpful to many people, but there are also some flaws.  First, what if you are intolerant to a food that you don't cut out?  Also, this assumes normal and healthy digestion, which may not be a sound assumption since someone who suspects they are intolerant to something probably thinks this due to digestive symptoms...  So, for example, you might react to red meat if you are deficient in stomach acid due to an underlying problem.


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I absolutely without a doubt cannot eat eggs. I could never figure out why I always had a migraine after Sunday brunch...I always ate eggs...my weekly treat. I have been egg free for 5 months now and not one headache!!!  Everyone has different reactions...elimination is the key.





Mom to 4 B's...living with extreme food allergies to wheat, all dairy, eggs and pineapple !! ( Me, not the kids..)
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Whimsical,
I did a variant of the elimination diet last year, and eggs were the first item tested, and the only one I could positively identify through that method of testing.  Fortunately, I found the BTD soon thereafter, and that saved me a lot of trouble.

girly,
Are you a nomad also?  I have the white lines indicating gluten intolerance, which leads to leaky gut, which I believe led to depression from eating eggs.  Maybe you are suffering from something similar?  Those big egg proteins floating around in your blood could cause a lot of trouble.  On the other hand, if you are simply allergic to eggs, healing you gut probably won't make eggs any better for you.
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It might.  I am no longer allergic to dairy.  My daughter has healed enough from her egg allergy and gluten-intolerance to eat them occasionally without trouble.  I used to believe "once allergic, always allergic."  But with the BTD, I am now a believer that healing can and does take place.


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