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drgnwng1
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I am not sure where generic BTD questions go I will post here and will follow the answers wherever I get moved.
I have 126lbs to lose. Now if I was on WW I would have lost 15-20lbs by now been there done that.
My scale sits and mocks me lose a pound gain a pound.
I don;t think I am getting this BTD thing right.
I eat a small piece(2oz) of chicken boneless skinless with baked veggies. At most they have olive oil on them.
Then lunch is another 2oz chicken and veggies or a bean chicken pineapple combo. Chicken is now down to maybe an ounce.
Dinner is more chicken or beef with veggies and maybe some sweet potatoes with ghee. I drink so much water I float and am up all night.
I nibble dried organic unsweetened unsulphered apricots,raw pumpkin seeds and organic walnuts during the day(1/4cmix) or not at all.
Now comes the part that I have not given up yet. I have my coffee with half and half I have gone doen to 1 cup a day!!
Again I am eating  little compared to what my normal meals were.I eat only O besides what is listed here.
Any ideas?
and no I cannot add fish(allergy). The lamb just doesn't work for me.
My veggies are beets,yellow squash,kale,spinach,zucchini,onions,garlic,parsly,sweet potatoes.Acorn squash butternut squash and some mixed greens. Oh and I LOVE broccoli.



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I'm (obviously) not an O, but it seems to me that you aren't eating enough protein each day. Also, I think you should be eating more beef. Dried fruits, seeds, and nuts pack a lot of calories, so I'd go sparingly on those.

I'm sure there will be other O's to come along soon to help you out. Just wanted you to know there's help on the way.


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Yeah, go with what Drea said. My mom cant seem to gain weight but she works out alot. How about your excercise, O's need lots of excercise the more strainous the workout the better for stress reduction and weight loss. And a bit more beef. Have you checked out your secretor status, you might want to because if you are a nonsecretor then dairy and grains are pretty much out and other food ratings change. The one thing you can do right now is drop the Half and Half it will help tremendously for loosing weight.
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Hang in there D. things don't happen over night with anything good. AS Drea says more protein and less sugars may help and you    may be retaining some of the water your drinking as well, I do that. I didn't hear you mention any exercise program? It took me some experimenting to get the diet adjust the way my body needed it. And what helped me a lot was a simple exercise program every  day. Come on O's lets get some more help for D.
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Quoted from drgnwng1

Now comes the part that I have not given up yet. I have my coffee with half and half I have gone doen to 1 cup a day!!
Again I am eating  little compared to what my normal meals were.I eat only O besides what is listed here.
Any ideas?




Lose the coffee. Get some exercise. Lose the coffee. Have some lean beef now and then if you can handle it. Oh, and lose the coffee.

Looks like you are getting there, hang in and lose the coffee.  
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Exercise, sleep, stress?  Balance?
Cut out the coffee (and dairy!!!) - see what results you get.
Try Deflect or Fucus (metabolism booster for Os).


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Overall, your diet is good but you could try some tweaking.

I agree with the suggestion to up your beef servings and also reduce the dried fruit.  Actually, I would suggest cutting out dried fruit altogether (for now) and replace it with beneficial fresh fruit.

I know you are allergic to fish, how about seaweed?  Bladder wrack (fucus vesiculosus) has iodine which will help if your thyroid is a little sluggish and might jumpstart your weightloss.  NAP's Fucus Plus is a great supplement for this or you could try kelp.

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Quoted from Lloyd



Lose the coffee. Get some exercise. Lose the coffee. Have some lean beef now and then if you can handle it. Oh, and lose the coffee.

Looks like you are getting there, hang in and lose the coffee.  



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When I have grains I have cream of Buckwheat or brown rice.
I even cut back on my Sweet potatoes!! I cut one up with the other veggies and bake them so I get one or 2 small pieces in a meal. With son now being an A we are dropping my sweets and going to squash. I will still try to grill some sweets.
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Secretor test then dietary adjustments.  Before thinking about losing weight, how is your digestion?  


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I just bought kelp and plan to give it a whirl. Son has hypothyroid and I have some Thyroid antibodies sneaking in. But no disease YET.
I am a gourmet coffee drinker. It will take some time. I just finished a cup of Hibiscus and rosehips so I am moving in the right direction.
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Quoted from Whimsical
Secretor test then dietary adjustments.  Before thinking about losing weight, how is your digestion?  


You mean besides reflux,no gallbladder and having my appendix extracted in May? My digestion is fine (that is what tums are for right?). Okay I rarely take tums my son takes Mylanta daily and sometimes 2-3times a day poor kid.( get him  on the road to A ville)
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Yep...more protein and more greens.  Try eating veggies as close to raw as possible...especially salads.  Secretor test also.  And...what do you do for exercise?

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A lot of great suggestions so far.  My additions to these are;

Try and emphasize beneficials over neutrals.  When dealing with any chronic condition, beneficials are your friends and neutrals are fillers, which you don't need right now.

Eat three good meals a day and snack as little as possible, using fresh beneficial fruit instead of dried.

Hold on to some of the sweet beneficial vegetables that you can bake.  These are comfort foods and can actually help by keeping you in a state of contentment.  Moderation is vital, of course, but a little is good.

Keep the ghee, but keep the quantity minimal.  A little good fat is important for weight loss, and too much will prevent weight loss.

Be sure to get a meat centered meal for breakfast.  If you are going to eat any grains, the evening meal is the one to do that.

Just my opinion . . all of these!  



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Listen to Whimsical's suggestion to get your secretor test.  It is one of the most important investments you can make.  For optimum health and normal weight, it is indispensable.

The differences in secretor and non-secretor diets can tip the scales, literally.



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My gut..........people who have a great deal of weight to lose...probably a nonnie...Do yourself a favor a get a test.Until you get the results back try switching to the  nonnie diet (bye-bye sugar) and see how you feel...This nonnie's down 34 pounds in 1 month!!!





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Secretor test, secretor test, secretor test!

Are there any other heath issues you are dealing with besides needing to lose weight?


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I agree with Victora about the nonnie verses secretor and the scales.  Once you know you can go from there.  


Beouemom sounds like bay way mom and I think Colorado is a great place to live.  
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Quoted from girly
My gut..........people who have a great deal of weight to lose...probably a nonnie...!


Yeah I figured I was a nonnie anyway. I have to save up for the test. My sons too.
Thank you.
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Hey Jean,
I'm in the same boat, with about the same amount of weight to lose. You've gotten excellent advice from the previous posts. Here's what has worked for me:

~~Start off with a good breakfast. Meat, eggs if you like them, and greens. Lots of greens. I have at least two cups of kale every morning. That sounds like a lot, but when you wilt and stir-fry it in some hot olive oil or ghee, it isn't all that much. Greens are your friend! As for lunch and dinner, I eat a smaller lunch (soup or leftovers) and an even smaller dinner, with the evening meal consisting more of beneficial starches like sweet potato or pumpkin, some steamed vegetables like broccoli or squash, and sometimes a little beef or turkey. Several people on the board suggested a higher carb load for evenings to help with restorative sleep, and I've found it works for me. Give it a try.  

~~Definitely try the Fucus Plus. I was worried about taking so much bladderwrack as I have an iodine allergy, but haven't had any kind of bad reaction at all. And the fucus is beginning to crank my metabolism up, bit by bit. I can feel it working, and it feels great! Deflect is another great supplement that helps immensely with healing and weight loss.

~~Please consider trying Rhodiola. It has made all the difference for me in cutting down and nearly eliminating cravings for wheat, corn and sugar. Rhodiola is part of Dr. D's anti-stress protocol for Os; it kept me from diving headfirst into the Dunkin Donuts across the street when the hot weather and overtime work began to stress me out. Great stuff!  

~~Keep the fats, dried fruit and nuts, and grains to a minimum. Use beneficial root vegetables or fresh fruit for 'comfort' food if you're craving starches.  

~~Do your best to get some form of exercise every day, or every other day. I try to walk every day and use it not only as my physical exercise, but as a form of meditation. Regular exercise is absolutely essential for Os who are working to regain health and/or lose weight. If you cannot exercise every day, do your best to move around and take extra steps, swing your arms, do chairbound exercises, etc. Even a little bit of exercise is better than none at all!

~~Above all, be gentle with yourself. You're changing habits you've had for years; it takes time to get used to doing things differently. Take it one step at a time, and remember the positive things that are happening too. We are all on a journey toward health and joy. It's easy to forget the journey itself is just as important as the ultimate goal.

Good work so far! Keep going sweetie, and hang in there. I'm walking right alongside.


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What a great reply, Brighid45! All points equally important. I know from my own weight loss battle that changes in the diet are not enough. For me, when I eat properly, I am able only to maintain my weight and avoid putting more on. Only when I add exercise to the equation do I actually lose weight. From what I understand about the BTD, though, making the right changes in my diet will make it easier for my body to reach and maintain a healthy weight. “Easier” being the key word. To me this means that I am still responsible for all the other choices I make, including the food choices inside the BTD and the choice that I make every evening whether to go for a walk/run or sit and watch a hockey game. Right now hockey is winning and I am not losing weight on the BTD after 2 weeks on. But I can already feel the BTD working in other ways and soon I’m hoping that I’ll feel so good and have so much energy that the choice to be active vs inactive on any given evening will be an easy one, and the only reason I would choose to sit and watch tv then would be because my body needs a rest from motion!

I also read in the FAQ that seeing BTD results can take time. I’m not sure how long you have been on the BTD, but apparently it can take awhile for some individuals. Here are some good quotes from the FAQ (Dr.D, I assume)…

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Weight loss can start in as little as two weeks or as long as two to six months, depending upon your current glandular state of health.


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The first thing to understand is the choosing foods by blood type is about total health. Weight loss can be a pleasant side effect of beneficial food choice. As our bodies get healthier, there are various plateaus we will go through where the glands and hormones start to reset and normalize their functions. During these periods, it is common not to lose weight. In addition, lectins blocking insulin receptors on the surface of cells do not willingly let go. Patience and 100% avoidance of all avoid foods is called for during this healing period, which can last a year or more.



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Nicely done, teri!

Good points as always Briggy.
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girly!!
you rock!!! nice work!


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Okay I may not be losing weight but my face has lost 10yrs. My outer third of my eyebrows is growing back(yep I know this a throid sign but those tests are negative). My skin is smoother. I have more energy. I am eating healthier. I have not had wheat in a few months due to putting some on gluten free diet. Have had some gluten free tastes(I am a Mom and do have to make sure it comes out good) but not in the last week or so. We are eating foods I never heard of or tried before.My son even had some molasses in his oatmeal! Because of his special needs he is more likely to get hypothyroid(he has it)celiac(not yet)and have a vitamin A and betacarotene deficiency
He has a higher chance of lympoma,luekemia and Alzhimer. So we need to due this for both of our health. Dh eats what he wants and oldest son is already partially a vegatarian (no red meat).
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Drgnwng,
thanks for sharing your struggle. It reminds us all what it takes to stay on track. You are doing something important for yourself and your son!
And whenever I am not losing (like now) it is always linked to lack of exercize....what can I say? We're O's...we gotta move.
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Jean, progress is being made. You are starting to see some results. Great job, stay with it.
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my own experience is that nuts = weight gain most of the time.  When I skip the  beef and eat nuts for protein ( such as on a salad at lunch), my weight goes up.  When I have  dried fruit too often, or even extra fruit for that matter, my weight goes up.  When I am eating veggies like sweet potatoes, acorn squash, pumpkin, parsnips, my weight goes up.  When I eat Ezekiel bread, my weight goes up.  The answer here for me? Pretty much stick to  beef and veggies ( like raw salad stuff) and add in a few fruits and various veggies sparingly... variety.. but sparingly... that's how I keep my weight down.  It sounds like  you're just consuming too much food and not getting as much exercise as you need to burn it off.  It does sound like you're doing a GREAT job of eating bennies, though.. good for you!  That is half of the battle.  Keep watching portion size and try to avoid snacking... it's tough!  Stay busy.. keep moving...
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I heard weight comes off in sheets.  One week nothing then the next week boom.  Remember calories in = calories out.  You have to exercise.  Also you don’t want to lose weight too fast.  You ever see those people with hanging skin because they lost weight but didn’t exercise at the same rate.  That looks ugly!


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I am still not losing weight. No I have not done my secretor test yet. I had beef for breakfast with broccoli,lunch was roast beef with a nice green lettuce, Not sure of name but it wasn't iceberg! Dinner broccoli,chicken,chicken stock(homemade)celery,onions garlic,carrots. One small bowl.
I had about 6 dried apricots today and yes my coffee and half and half. Ther coffee and half and half have never stopped me before and I have 126lbs to loose. Even a pound would be nice.
last night was beef with  steamed baby spinach. I am really eating very little. Cut back to no to few apricots and nuts. Cut back coffee and cream.increased beef. Walk fast everywhere I go.
any suggestions? should I just switch to non secretor? I have no trouble with the foods I am not usually hungry at all doing this.I drink water so I get up twice a night 1:30 and 4:30 am.
I am drinking rosehips and hibiscus tea to help stop drinking coffee.
I have more kale and spinach in the fridge. I will be green with orange dots from the squash soon.
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definitely drop the coffee with half and half.....
lectin free is the only way your body will slowly heal its insulin receptors and thus begin to burn fat for energy.
exercise is important......it has to feel good and not stress you out more.


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Jean sounds like you are doing the right thing...
I wonder If your body has gone into starvation mode. =  body gotten used to a special low number of calories and just wont let you loose anything.
Have you followed a low calorie diet or ???

One of my friends a O ( who doesn´t folow BTD )
had been on low calorie diet for years - getting 900- 1200 calories- and we are talking about a woman who weighted 220 pounds- about 60 pounds overweight.

She didn´t loose anything before she started to eat 5-6 small meals a day- with aprox 1500 calories a day ( far more than she normally had !
AND had at least 1 hours exercise
. She started with walking and swimming - it was less hard on her .

Her diet looked like this:

Breakfast at 7
2 hardboiled eggs and 1 piece of fruit - tea and water
snack at 10
small handfull walnuts - large water with lemonjuice
lunch:13
small salad with at least 5 oz fish or chicken and 1 tsp oliveoil and some vinegar , water
snack:16
1-2oz cheese with red pepper or tomatoes water
at 19 dinner
broccoli or kale, carrots or butternut and aprox 5 oz beef or lamb - maybe 1 tbl  butter water

so it was very much like your diet

The thought was that she needed more food to keep her body burning caloires by eating every 3 hours´she also added lots of chili to her diet.

First week she put 2 pounds on and was very depressed.
But since then she has lost 50 pounds ( in 5 months) on a diet pretty close to the O diet- I told her to change the cheese to at least mozzarella or feta cheese.
She can´t believe that she ever ate so low calorie diet...
Prior to thaat she ate 3 small meals a day:
eggwhites with cottagecheese omelet coffee with soymilk
green lettuce with chicken  and 1 diet coke.
soy yoghurt with 1-2 pieces of fruit

I think the combo of eating more veggies and protein
and EXERCISE really mattered in getting her body to burn instead of keeping the fat on her body !
It stopped thinking it is starvation time and I need to keep every oz of fat on my body to survive.......

you might try to eat like a nonnie for 1-2 months and see if you starts loosing weight
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drgn-   you can try eating 500 calories more on every fourth day- that will feed the message to the brain that your body is not starving and kick it into gear again.  (just make sure you go back down to normal eating after one one day of extra eating
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I went from eating french fries with fried chicken tenders. Bread with margerine. oatmeal for breakfast. Lots of tomato salads with mayo to eat with fried chicken so I was not on low cal before. I was on see it and eat it. Oh and lots of pizza. Full fat starbucks latte with whipped cream and flavored sugary syrup.As non O as you can get.
I was worried that I was not eating enough but I am not hungry.
Gym membership starts today hubby signed us up. So should I eat more and add the protein drink between meals especially since I am going to the gym(as of today)?
I will also do some nonnie changes.
Thanks for the help.
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Sounds like you had plenty of calories prior to bTD  
I would upp the protein and see what happens.
Sounds good with the gym   I just started in a gym with my O mum this week so much easier whenyou are two who needs to go.

Maybe eat like a nonnie  as well.


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going to the gym will boost your metabolism, sounds like just what you need. And, check out the FS thread...we are all trying to lose weight or keep it off....we check in each week (or day)
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You mean besides reflux,no gallbladder and having my appendix extracted in May? My digestion is fine (that is what tums are for right?). Okay I rarely take tums my son takes Mylanta daily and sometimes 2-3times a day poor kid.( get him  on the road to A ville)
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Well, until these issues are addressed/resolved weight loss will definitely be more challenging for you.  

The appendix is water under the bridge (except for perhaps a lower immune function).  The gallbladder cannot be put back, but it would behoove you to learn more about the function of the gallbladder and how you can work with your body now that that function has changed for you.  

The reflux is a definite concern and taking Tums may make it worse or at the minimum prevent its resolution.  Reflux is often due to underproduction of acid because a certain minimal production of acid is necessary to close the gastro-esophageal sphincter, preventing reflux.  Taking antacids further reduces the available acid, which will exacerbate the reflux.  

To really understand what is going on with the reflux and gallbladder, it would be best to see a natural health practitioner who can sort out these barriers to healthy digestion and hopefully set you on a path conducive to easier weight loss.  Have you checked if there are any IfHI certified practitioners in your area?


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I have great digestion despite no gallbladder and no appendix..but it has taken awhile...when I first went back to meat (yes, former veggie O) I had to take enzyme formulas plus bromelain to help me digest, but after about a year of this my own digestion began to work as nature intended.
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Have you checked if there are any IfHI certified practitioners in your area?

I just received some mail today telling me that there will be an event nearby about BTD with a ND. Hopefully I can make it.
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to break down insuline and leptin resistance.... not that easy ..... you will need a certain time; but have you had been tested for some hormonal imbalances, dito cushing syndrome


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No hormonal inbalance. My mind maybe LOL. Okay I read the cushings and nope not me. I have done many diets over the years and have lost weight quickly. I have not done any for almost a year before BTD. So I know it is not from coming off a low cal or low fat diet. I ate more meat yesterday and have had meat already twice today. I added a soy(unsweetened) smoothie with raspberries and blueberries today so far. I would have used rice milk but that was sweetened. I feel good just not thinner. Maybe it will just come off like a suit one day. I will unzip it and find a whole new me!
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Here's my take on this all.  I have struggled with coffee for quite some time.  For the last week
and a half, I switched to tea instead in the mornings.  Today I caved and had a cup with my B
hubby this morning.  Both of us have bellies we need to lose, otherwise we are not that overweight.
20lbs or so......anyway.  While on tea only, I had more vivid dreams, and was feeling slightly less
depressed.....I am going back to tea tomorrow with the intention of switching over eventually to
something like dandelion root tea, ginger tea, etc....
I believe from all the diet/health books I have read especially  Schwarzbein's, that coffee has damaged my metabolism, added to insulin resistance, etc.  If this is true, it will take some time of
eating correctly and probably supplements before weight loss will occur.....plus don't forget
decent aerobic exercise.  That's what I want to work on now.....
I thought it might help to share as you loved gourmet coffee.   My husband drinks Peet's and it
is pretty strong.....but it's not something I should be drinking.  I have known this and want to stop
now....best wishes on weight loss success to all!
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I have done many diets over the years and have lost weight quickly....I ate more meat yesterday and have had meat already twice today. I added a soy(unsweetened) smoothie with raspberries and blueberries today so far. I would have used rice milk but that was sweetened. I feel good just not thinner.

Well, BTD is not really a weight loss diet - it is a lifestyle. Weight loss will happen if you keep following the plan (i.e. your portion sizes and frequencies are reasonable, you get in plenty of exercise) But weight loss isn't the primary goal of the plan - the aim is health and well being :)  And you are beginning to experience improvements in those areas already!  ;)

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Maybe it will just come off like a suit one day. I will unzip it and find a whole new me!

You will definitely see change for the better in many ways if you stick with it - whether you will ever be what you consider to be your ideal weight is another matter ;)
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paulam,
you definatelly have it right!
I know you ll get there!


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Hi,
You are all offering great advice. I am seeing non weight loss effects.
My skin is great,my thinner face is younger. I have more energy. My clothes are looser but the scale is not budging. My DH and I figure I must be losing air since the scale doesn't budge for me . Yes I know weight loss is a side benefit but I wouldn't mind if it jumped in soon.
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hang in there and don t stress out about it!
the more compliant you are and disciplined with your lifestyle, the better results.

remember to breath and relax......keep hydrated!
avoids are your enemies!


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Thanks Lola, I am a slow learner, or at least slow to change.  But I am convinced of what needs to be done.....the btd is really right on for this Osec.....
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Jean,
I hope you are making friends with the awesome elliptical.
I began to work on it (PreCor EFX546) about a month ago, starting at slope 3 and resistance 3 and could do barely 4 minutes. Yesterday at slope 8 and resistance 10 I did 45 minutes all of sudden. It's the first time in my life. I know  I am investing, but it still comes as a surprise, as does the rest of BTD. I just love how Jayneeo puts it,

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what can I say? We're O's...we gotta move.

It seems a first chakra thing.



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drgnwng1 (dragonwing? cool),

I have an idea for you: you say your clothing is looser, and your skin is younger, and you have more energy?  I think you ARE losing fat, but you are GAINING muscle.  Muscle tissue is more dense than fat tissue, so that could easily explain how your weight hasn't changed even though your clothes are looser now.  But it is strange that you are gaining muscle at exactly the same rate as you are losing fat....

Here's another idea, from my own experience.  It's is possible to be intolerant to foods outside of the the BTD "avoids".  Before starting BTD I discovered I am intolerant to eggs, but they are "neutral" for Bs.  You said you have been eating a lot of new and different foods, so possibly you have introduced or increased your intake of some food that you are sensitive to.  Would any experts here care to elaborate, or correct me if I'm wrong?

In the meantime, hang in there!  You are seeing improvements, and honestly, feeling healthier is much more important than being skinny.  I have been skinny my whole life, but it wasn't worth anything until I started feeling well!

Oh, and ditch the coffee!  
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I removed the apricots(maybe I am a nonnie) pumpkin seeds and walnuts from my food list. I am totally grain free. I upped my greens. sidenote-do not saute spinach in olive oil and garlic and then dump it hot out of the pan on your thumb!!Causes thumb swelling!I have reduced my poultry and upped my beef. Added a few more fruits. I expect change anyday now. Oh and the coffee has not gone yet. I have ADD I NEED my coffee to keep me sane. BTW I am going to bed earlier.
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very sound advice Drive!


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I have ADD I NEED my coffee to keep me sane.


Have you tried the black cocoa concoction that Victoria talks about? Basically, it's green tea, with a teaspoon or two of unsweetened cocoa powder and a dollop of either lecithin or ghee (I use ghee). It's not exactly the same taste as black coffee, but it's similar, and oh so good. Coffee for O's is a baddie, and if I were an O, I would move to eliminate it sooner than later. My $0.02.  


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either lecithin or ghee?
I use both!! lol


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I have ADD too, but stimulants didn't work out well for me.  At first they did help somewhat, but the benefit wore off gradually.  When I finally quit taking them, I slept 10-12 hrs a day, plus naps, for 2 weeks.  That was my body catching up on all the rest I needed because the stims allowed me to overexert myself.  I'm sure that quitting coffee won't be so dramatic (I hope not!) since it's not as potent, but be assured that BTD is much better at curing ADD than ANY drug out there.
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With that much extra weight, It's entirely possible that you may have some seriously gunked-up intestines, and need some quality toilet time.  I'm picturing a pretty sweet layer of rotted wheat, dairy, and other grains nicely locked up to your internal tissues, over the years.  I would suggest you buy some Deflect for O's, and start in on its cleansing power immediately.  

Also, some astragalus, rose hips, and zinc/copper will activate your immune system to kill off the hordes of bacterial overgrowth you probably have in your bowels as well.

Beyond this, are you getting any exercise whatsoever?

Finally, try taking a teaspoon of unroasted walnut oil and a teaspoon of flax oil, twice a day for a few days.  See if that doesn't slap up your metabolism and bowel movements a bit.

Post-finally, try buying some pure peppermint leaves, and make a good, strong tea from that.  Buy the tea bags and everything... Replace your coffee with this tea.  I hear that peppermint is good for the pancreas.  Also, the menthol action of the peppermint will jolt you into alertless just as much as the coffee will.  I should know; I've switched to it myself.

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Lol Ron, you don't sugar-coat it -- YUCK! [Of course, the sugar-coating would ruin the advice for nonnies]  Seriously, that sounds like great advice, even if it is a bit ... icky.  But it's very true, garbage does tend to collect in the intestines over the years, adding weight and interfering with proper digestion.  Clean that gunk out, and you might find your weight problem AND your acid reflux cleared up.
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What helped me to get my appetite under control (after 15+ yrs of junky nutrition) was a whole food vitamin/mineral supp. I take 3 times/day, an omega 369 supp/once a day, & a coral calcium supp./once a day.  I realize the supp. suggestions might differ for Os & I've never tried Dr. D's supps, but this regimen really helped me with my cravings for greasy foods & sweets.  Then sticking to the BTD was easy!  I bought these supps on the internet & they are very GOOD quality.  Nothing I ever found in the supermarket ever affected my appetite in the same way.  Why not try Dr. D's supps for Os?


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When my weight loss has stalled and I'm eating mainly beneficials with the correct portion sizes, I can usually look to (my lack of) exercise as the catalyst. And as Captain Janeway says, you have to burn more calories than you consume to lose weight.


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If you have ADD, your adrenals are fried.  If you NEED coffee, your adrenals are fried.  You'll need extra B vitamins, A & D, lots of minerals: Ca, Mag, & trace.  And lots of good food: beneficial fats, proteins, carbs and veggies.  Eat 5 times a day - this is big.
I agree w/ Ron-o-non: Deflect is great for boosting metabolism & helping your gut.  I would add Polyflora too.
And lastly: Rhodiola!!!!! (Catechol)
For me, it worked best to take licorice (with glycyrrhizin) for adrenal support along with the rhodiola.
It takes time to recover from years of abusing your body with dieting, or eating stuff that you're allergic to (like wheat, gluten, dairy, etc), or abusing caffeine and sugar, but it can be done.  And you won't lose weight until your hormones are balanced.  How long it takes depends on how bad a shape you are in. I've been working on it for 3 years, and with the supplements listed, I'm finally feeling like I'm back in the land of the living.
Remember: rhodiola!!!!
Good luck!
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so true!


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So how do I find out how my adrenals are doing?
Does the doctor just run a test? I have a physical coming up.
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