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kipperkid
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Did BTD about 18 months ago, then fell off the wagon and have basically been on an exercise-free avoid-fest since and have unsurprisingly put on a significant amount of weight - I started out trying to phase it in gently, then got too involved with the nitty-gritty before I had got the basics firmly in place

So I'm back, trying to reform myself but not starting from a good place at all.

Current plan of action consists of a number of steps, I will move on to the next step when I have achieved the first one for 14 days in a row.  I realise this will mean it is long time before I am anything like compliant, but it will be progress if I am heading in the right direction instead of the wrong!

1) eat as many beneficials as avoids (not exactly a high standard, I know, but it just shows how bad my diet has been recently) and walk up the stairs at work each day (4 flights)
2) cut out wheat and cycle ½km each day
3) eat one more beneficial than avoids each day and cycle 1km each day
4) cut out pork/bacon/ham and cycle 1½km each day
5) eat 2 more beneficials than avoids each day and cycle 2km each day

When I get that far I will have a think about the new set of goals


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Hey kipperkid...welcome back to the forum and the BTD way of life.  Glad to see that you have a plan in place to get you back into the healthy way of being again.  Glad to see that you have wheat as a number one avoid to get rid of...such a nasty food.  Corn too.    Remember, if you don't bring the avoids into your house...you can't eat them.   Another good thing to do since you are starting over again is to get your secretor test done.  That will be a big benefit to fine tweaking your eating habits.  The best of luck to you and remember we are all here for you.

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My concern with the secretor test is that as I understand it, I would need to send it to the USA to be processed?  And I don't trust our postal service to get it there in time to be any good..... I suspect it would turn out to be a waste of money because it would be useless on arrival......  

You mention corn as your second nasty - should I aim to cut that out before the pork, then?


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I am not sure how or where you send the secretor test in England, but if I am not mistaken there is a place to send it over there.  Don't have much time right now to look as I am on my lunch.  Can anyone help her?

Yes, I would say corn is the second one I would eliminate after wheat.  Although pork is a big one.     I had already cut pork out before I started BTD over six years ago as I knew it was nasty stuff no matter how much I loved it.     Here is a link to look at about where corn is in our food chain.  http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GC/m-1171902013/    

Like wheat and pork, being very cheap to produce, it is in quite alot of our daily foods unless, of course, we are cooking for ourselves.  

What about the O exercise?  Are you getting that in?  It takes care of alot things like stress release, cravings, sleep and weight.  

Debra   


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I believe there is a place you can get tested.  Check with Lola.

Your plan sounds well thought out, and it can be good to take it slow.  It's important to know yourself!     Keep it up!



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kipperkid,
UK saliva tests
http://websell.pipex.com/beta-cgi/stacktheme/4004.html

Victoria, kipper might think I run the tests!!


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kipperkid,
My saliva sample survived the Royal Post when I lived in the UK. I was tested in 2005 (I think) and the whole process was seamless. At that time, the procedure was to send samples to the US. My results were available 3 weeks later on the Internet.
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also Dr Tom Greenfield who in fact is a master IFHI does the testing as well
http://www.nature-cure.co.uk/uk2shop-1.htm


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Kipper I had mine done  by http://right4eucom.knassar.com/
sent  from Denmark - no problem !


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Debra, I'm not good on the exercise front even when I'm at my best and recently it has been a case of exercise, what's that???   Hence why I've included that on my plan.  As with the food, what I'm aiming for at the moment is far from ideal, but small steps in the right direction - you never know I might even manage to exceed my targets!?  I don't want to set myself up to fail again, would rather take it slowly and get there in the end.

Lola, I got an error on that nature cure link?  I tried having a look around the site but as far as I could see they currently only do testing if you are registered with the practice?

Henriette, where did you send your sample to?

Thanks everyone for help & support


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Well now it is several years ago...
but The test had an adressed and paid envelope - for US
- and I saw my status 3 weeks later on the webpage provided- no problem at all.

I took my test monday just before the mailbox was empied


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Try the first (stacktheme) address Lola gave you, kipper.
I went thru stacktheme.


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Welcome back Kipperkid,
Good job for getting back on the horse Keep your BTD books handy and when you have an avoid urge take a look in the book for some healthy ideas instead. You have more meat options than most, wish that pork thing was higher up on your list . Any how you do it, is progress in the right direction were here for ya!
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Hey kipperkid...not good on the exercise...at least you are trying.  Besides the bike are you getting in any walking?  That is one of the easiest ones to do.

Are you taking any kind of supplements?  L-tyrosine is a good one to take to help with the cravings and rhodiola for your heart.  

What about water?  Are you drinking enough liquids?  Teas like green, stinging nettle, rooibus, milk thistle, dandelion root...all good to help with detox and to help flush out your system.  Especially the liver and kidneys.  

You are on the right road girl...keep us posted.  

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I drink 2-3 litres of water a day, green tea and a detox tea which has milk thistle, dandelion, ginger, liquorice and a few others I can't remember but looked OK.  At weekends I am still drinking coffee - cutting that out comes later!

Opinions seem to vary over whether to cut out grains or pork first - guess whichever route I go, someone won't agree  

As regards walking, I have taken to parking further away in the car park when going to work (our car park is long and thin) or when going shopping, so I get a bit of walking that way, still not a lot but....  I really need to get into the habit of moving around more during the working day - my job is far too sedentary to be good for me.

Supplements: multivitamin & mineral, glucosamine, B-complex, starflower oil, kelp - although I sometimes forget to take them  


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starflower oil.....that s new to me!


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We call it starflower oil, you call it borage oil, I think?  Used as an alternative to evening primrose oil to control PMS and other monthly cycle issues........


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Wheat or pork...hmmmm... two main avoids for everyone.  The wheat enhances inflammation and the pork helps it along and whatever other ailment you have.  Remember, if you don't buy it you won't be able to eat it.  I know it is easier said than done.  Take a list with you so you can substitute the right foods for them.  

And...being as you don't know your secretor status, starflower/borage oil is an avoid for O nonnies.


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Quoted from Debra+
  The wheat enhances inflammation........ Remember, if you don't buy it you won't be able to eat it.  


Debra


thanks for those reminders Debra
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I might stick with cutting out pork first just because, IMO, it's easier than cutting out corn...baby steps.  Although, corn is one of those avoids that often leads me down the path to other avoids, moreso than pork.  I've always been able to take or leave pork, I like the substitutes just fine, like turkey sausage and turkey bacon, so it's never been a big issue for me (except when I visit my mom!)

I like to set goals that get me up and cooking every day, instead of being tempted to eat out or go shopping while hungry.  I find it pretty easy, once I cut out my big 3 avoids (wheat, milk, corn), to be compliant when eating at home.  My big challenge is always planning ahead and cooking.


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Quoted from Debra+
Remember, if you don't buy it you won't be able to eat it.  I know it is easier said than done.  Take a list with you so you can substitute the right foods for them.  

And...being as you don't know your secretor status, starflower/borage oil is an avoid for O nonnies.


Trouble is at the moment, I'm still working through the stuff in the freezer, some of which is avoids.  Doing OK so far at not buying avoids (except for chocolate - must kick that habit, too  ), but still using up stuff I have in stock.

At the mo, I'm basically going by the secretor recommendations, as suggested in the book if you haven't yet had the secretor test, so not too worried about the starflower oil at this moment in time, but thanks for the info.  And if there is an avoid at the end of a long list of ingredients I'm not too worried as long as the major ingredients are OK  

Was encouraged when rereading one of the books last night to find a bit that said that O's do better making lifestyle changes slowly - maybe there is hope for me yet!   


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I've always been able to take or leave pork, I like the substitutes just fine, like turkey sausage and turkey bacon, so it's never been a big issue for me (except when I visit my mom!)

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My big challenge is always planning ahead and cooking.


Pork itself, as in roast, chops, etc. isn't so much of an issue.  But ham, bacon and sausages are another matter.  Turkey ham and turkey bacon are OK but they just don't replace the pork version for me    And sausages are another problem entirely,  trying to find some with compliant meat AND no filler is nigh on impossible - I love sausages   


I'm not good at being organised and planning ahead but I have tried this weekend - made a batch of beef casserole and a batch of chilli con carne (subbed black-eyed for kidney beans).  They will go in the freezer to come out when needed for meals at work (have a kitchen for reheating stuff there).


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Pork itself, as in roast, chops, etc. isn't so much of an issue.  But ham, bacon and sausages are another matter.  Turkey ham and turkey bacon are OK but they just don't replace the pork version for me    And sausages are another problem entirely,  trying to find some with compliant meat AND no filler is nigh on impossible - I love sausages   


You are not alone
I think our cold climate here in the northen part of Europe makes us crave bacon etc.
When September comes I always get this mad craving for bacon and fried apples etc
I don“t make a lot hazzel about it as  I“m a fairly healthy B secretor = that pork is a tier 2 avoid ( less a problem than tier 1 avoids)
and I don“t mind eating a slice of organic bacon or ham once in a while- but I must admit I feel guilty about my O daughter when I serve it for her.

My personal oprinion is that If I was an O - i would cut out wheat and corn before pork !

My daughter uses spelt and ryebread instead and she hardly ever gets wheat except on mc D   4-5 times a year




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  "I've always been able to take or leave pork, I like the substitutes just fine, like turkey sausage and turkey bacon, so it's never been a big issue for me"
We can have turkey ham?? Is there safe turkey ham? Like organic nitrate free and all that stuff?
Please let me know. Oh and can A's eat it also?
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don t forget pork is very A like......and thus non self.....
but also not adecuate for As.....
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