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Eliseo
Wednesday, October 17, 2007, 12:51am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi everyone,

I'm A+, my wife B-... We both have a love for a food product here in Australia known as Vegemite... basically its a spread originally from an extract of brewer's yeast that's very popular here in the Australian food market; and I was wondering with respect to all four blood types, the nature of how good Vegemite would be for each blood type?

The ingredients list is as follows:

Yeast Extract, Salt, Mineral Salt (508), Malt Extract (from Barley), Natural Colour (150d) (contains preservative 220), Vegetable Extract, Niacin, Thiamine, Riboflavin, Folate; Suitable for Vegetarians; Contains Gluten; Contains Sulphite

I'd appreciate anyone's feedback regarding this... my wife asked me this question last night and I had no idea how to answer it...

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks

Eliseo (Sydney, Australia)
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Yum!  Gluten is the only thing that would keep me from eating it.  What's vegetable extract?  Hm.  If it's onion, it's fine.  If it's corn or soy......sorry.  Do you know what preservative 220 is?  Can you call the company and find out what the vegetable extract is?  Sometimes when you explain that you have food sensitivities, they are happy to tell you what the "real" ingredients are.


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Eliseo
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I've actually put a call to Kraft just then and unfortunately they'll have to get back to me about it...  they seem to get a lot of calls with regards to their food products...

However, I've managed to find out the following:
* Mineral Salt 508 = Potassium Chloride (used as a gelling agent)
* Color 150d = Caramel colour IV (Gives the vegemite a relatively dark brown color... For those playing at home Vegemite looks like axle grease... but not as gluggy)
* Preservative 220 = Sulphur Dioxide

As to the level of gluten or the nature of the vegetable extract I have yet to determine...

I'll wait back to hear from them regarding their fedback and see what they have to say...

I know they say that A types need to avoid gluten, but a little bit won't do much harm unless you have like... a gluten intolerance, right? At any rate, in my case, it's not like we have it every day... The jar we have has been with us for about 18 months... Vegemite keeps so damn well in the fridge!
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all of them are made the same (Vegemite, Promite and Marmite).
using the search option you will come up with loads of info on why those should be avoided...
try miso, nutritional yeast, ghee, and tamari instead.
http://www.dadamo.com/search.htm


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Eliseo
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I feel that if I can have one particular vice it would be Vegemite... let that by my 1% non-compliance...

And Lola, as much as one would consider it worthy to try certain alternatives, Vegemite to me is a B vitamin powerhouse, and the amount of sodium and potassium salts is great for me as I normally don't take much salt in my diet, so it's a good supplement in that respect. And considering this is not a "must have every day" staple food, it should be relatively okay, right? The idea of spreading miso, ghee or tamari on my toast doesn't really work for me... At least not yet, I've only begun the diet since last week...
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no, you mix miso, nutritional yeast, ghee and whatever spices you want, even tamari, and make your own compliant superbeneficial vegemite with no avoids......and that you spread on your toast......
that s what I meant.

this program is as individualized as you want it to be, depending on your health issues.
so just do what feels right and enjoy what you do and eat!
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Ay, road tar and kerosene!

Ye wood na be much of an Ozzie if ye dinna luv vegemite.

http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive6/config.pl?read=21783


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Oh and the vegetable extracts are from onion and celery!

I'll consider the vegemite alternative... see how we go with that...

Thanks all...
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Isn't Sulphur dioxide what is added to dried Apricots here in the US?  That isn't a good thing--makes me feel awful.  And just saying Kraft makes me think there's probably something bad in it.


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Quoted from eliseo
I feel that if I can have one particular vice it would be Vegemite... let that by my 1% non-compliance...

And Lola, as much as one would consider it worthy to try certain alternatives, Vegemite to me is a B vitamin powerhouse, and the amount of sodium and potassium salts is great for me as I normally don't take much salt in my diet, so it's a good supplement in that respect. And considering this is not a "must have every day" staple food, it should be relatively okay, right? The idea of spreading miso, ghee or tamari on my toast doesn't really work for me... At least not yet, I've only begun the diet since last week...

Hi Eliseo,
Welcome to the Aussie contingent on this forum. I totally understand your commitment to Vegemite as it is truly close to mother's milk in this country, a concept that few outsiders would comprehend. I gave it up 6 years ago (totally) but I really think that if it is very important to you, don't obsess about it. There are much bigger issues to resolve such as milk, red meat, potatoes,  and oranges and often, wheat.
With encouragement from this current discussion I will return to Lola's recipe of faux-vegemite and will probably become a devotee of that.
Cheerio,
Jenny




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Eliseo
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Jen,

Thanks for the support... I don't intend to obsess over Vegemite seeing I really don't eat it that often... I've actually been following the A diet rather well of late... Not having touched red meat or potatoes for about a week and a half so far, quite proud of that... In fact with a babecue coming up on the weekend I'll be sticking to chicken and salmon instead of going into the eye-fillet steaks or lamb chops (which I so dearly love but know I can't have! ) Oranges have become a thing of the past for me... going for the pineapple juice for my Vitamin C... I've switched to rye bread as well which is reasonable... but also have invested in gluten free bread...

...This leads me to another question... Would you say it's worth my investing in a bread maker so that I can go for the gluten free bread mixes? I've noticed at Woolworths a teeny loaf of gluten-free bread is almost 6 bucks...

Also, Lola, do you have a rough set of proportions for the ingredients of your Faux-gemite recipe? I'd like to see how it works... Ghee's a little hard to come by unless I go out of my way to buy the stuff at a Middle-Eastern grocery where they tend to have this available in bulk
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With encouragement from this current discussion I will return to Lola's recipe of faux-vegemite and will probably become a devotee of that.


Edna has a great spread recipe.....very nutritious, it s in recibase I believe.
button here on top called recipes, now.

you might even want to add tofu to the spread, great protein for As.
as for ghee......making your own has never been easier!
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000177.htm


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Eliseo
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I'm sorry, Lola, forgive my extreme ignorance here... but Edna is whom?  And recibase is located where and what do I search under?
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read my post above your s again, pls...I added a few things, about ghee....
recibase is located, on the homepage left margins.

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipes.htm
called BTD recipes, now!
or the second button here above.
I d search for nutritional yeast..or spread


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You can make your own ghee out of unsalted butter, there is a sticky in the cooking section of the forum on how to do it. Im not sure what butter costs in Australia, but hopefully its cheaper then here at 7 or 8 dollars for a 1 lb. package of organic and 6 or 7 dollars for nonorganic. I would also check your secretor status because you would be able to have lamb (nonnie) and so many foods change their ratings for As based on secretor status. You may want to wait on the bread machine till you know your secretor status. The frequency for grains for nonnies is less then for secretors. Also many nongluten grain breads dont cook very well in a bread machine but if you cook them in an oven you may have more control of the cooking process and the end product might be better.
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I believe Edna is known as Peppermint Twist, she is known for her frequent and long posts that can be very entertaining to read. Recibase or the recipe section can be gotten to by going up to the top of the page and clicking on to the button with Recipe on it. Its a list of recipes.

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http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipedepictor7x.cgi?496

found it!
called

Delish Nutrish Nutritional Yeast Spread


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More than 20 years ago, my family spent almost half a year in India.  There we had the pleasure of getting to know many Aussies and that's where I first heard about Marmite, Vegemite, etc.  They all packed jars into their suitcases to carry about India.  I must say, it did satisfy in a strange way the need for strongly flavored condiments that did not taste like curry!  

I wouldn't eat it now because of the additives, but at the time, it was a lifesaver for us displaced westerners.



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Jen,

Thanks for the support.. I've switched to rye bread as well which is reasonable... but also have invested in gluten free bread...

...This leads me to another question... Would you say it's worth my investing in a bread maker so that I can go for the gluten free bread mixes? I've noticed at Woolworths a teeny loaf of gluten-free bread is almost 6 bucks...



I agree that speciality breads are very expensive here in Australia. It seems no time since bread cost a dollar, but that was probably half a lifetime ago. I've never had a bread machine because I know it would encourage me to make and eat far too much. Depends on how many of you are in the family. Are you actually gluten intolerant?
I find that following the A type permission for white flour in moderation is ok, but it is very tempting to overdo it, so I try to get spelt, rye and soy breads instead. I am lucky enought to live near a food co-op where we can do voluntary labour for deductions, and if they are overstocked with bread they pop some in the freezer with a 30% discount, so that helps. I am always meaning to make compliant bread by hand and will do so when I move to my spunky new apartment. It will be so satisfying to have a thick slice of toast covered in olive oil and faux vegemite, followed by a chocolate soy latte on my back terrace, watching Molly the ginger moggie whine at the magpies and discover the pecking order in this part of town. Where we are now, she prefers to be a Norm (couch potato)because the maggies are pretty heavy duty.
Jenny




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Eliseo, how did you learn about the blood type diet?
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Oh and the vegetable extracts are from onion and celery!

I'll consider the vegemite alternative... see how we go with that...

Thanks all...

How did you go with a substitute Eliseo?
I have used the Delish yeast spread twice (I just make up enough for one serve at a time, it only takes a few seconds to do that) and it is quite nice, but I'm still working on alternatives.I'm not quite used to the pungent dark sesame oil yet.And without the chemical colouring it seems difficult to get the authentic black vego. look.
A really luscious version was yeast, ghee and soy sauce.
for several days I've thus been having 2 teaspoons of yeast, and an unexpected result appears to be that a stomach inflammation of unknown origin has disappeared. (so far).
I won't indulge in vegemite again because of the preservatives which cause hives for me.
Cheers,
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Please test and report back before I enter this in the recipes.
Vegespread:
2 teaspoons of nutritional brewers yeast,
2 teaspoons of soy sauce, pref.tamari wheat free or
1 teaspoon miso mixed with 1 teaspoon lemon juice,
2 teaspoons of room temperature ghee,
pinch of vegetable bouillon powder, celery salt, garlic or onion powder etc.(to taste)

this is enough for one slice of toast thickly spread. Increase the ingredients proportionally to make up enough for several days.

thanks, Jenny



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"Vegespread" is now in the recipe collection as a companion piece to Delish.I read through as many old threads on vegemite that I could find and absorbed them into this.
Jenny



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Thanks! I saw that! I'm still partial to Marmite...and since a little goes a *long* way, I'll be eating it for years.


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hhhmmm...don't think that would be ok for a nonnie .....
gluten and other goodies .....yiiikes .....sorry   


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Some of the new bread machines have a gluten free setting to make bread. You just have to make sure you dedicate your machine to gluten free breads if you must have them GF. You are really not suppose to make regular Wheat bread in the same machine. Causes gluten reactions.
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