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Mickey
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I've been on the BTD for along time, but can't seem to kick the coffee addiction for good.  I get off of it for awhile, then back on, the cycle continues.

I know coffee is not good for us O's.

Can anyone please remind me of what it does to us, i know it has alot of acid that's not good for us.   Maybe i just need a good kick in the butt!.

Thanks!
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yes and inflammation, which is also unnecessary.
may also trigger an insulin resistance in some and other nasty stuff......
I wish you all the courage you can have, to kick the habit asap!


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hey Mickey-Madl, if I can let it be, so you are also able...since last octobre...not even a little cup of this
stuff ...but you can believe me, I feel great today without..... and I know, I was a real toughy café addicted one ......fffffttttt.....happy that's behind me ......
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Vrrroooommmm...run, run, run to the bathroom for me.  And afterwards, the inflammation and headache    is not worth it...at all.       Green tea and rooibus tea have been my favourites ever since cutting it out.    And the beloved mountain tea.  

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It burnt my stomach after about six months - I was overworking and thought I needed the coffee to stimulate me so I could do more - previously I had kicked it for six months - have now been off it about a week and already the digestive system is settling down - I do feel tired and look awful but that will pass so please give it a lot of thought before you start drinking it again - Good Luck
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hey, roostersis I do still have the lovely mountaintea ....and found out a northteutonic deliverer here in Zürich.....weeew !!!!! ....

hmmm me and green tea at this moment...nada mas...get heatbeats like crazy.....
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Hello! What is the Mountain Tea?
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yes, coffee messes w/ the blood sugar. I was having a real issue w/ mine before I got off it.
speedy, your tiredness and 'look awful'ness    will pass. I had some   probs w/ that, but truthfully my tiredness was from my failing adrenals. Have you looked into the symptoms of that (adrenal fatigue) http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm#2

here is the whole article........long but well worth it. If you can print it off in color and find a quiet spot to read, it's quite enlightening.
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm



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Hello! What is the Mountain Tea?



arose23...mountain tea is a wonderful tea that we first tried in Greece in May 2006 for the first BTD get together.  It is a great tasting tea that is nice and mild tasting with a bit of sweetness to it.  Makes you feel wonderful too.  Some of us brought some back and some had some shipped to us.  I found an unopened bag a few weeks ago in the back of my cupboard.  What a wonderful surprise.    Click on google and you will get information on it arose23.  

Isa...that is great that you found a place to get it in Switzerland.  Enjoy roostersis.  Oh I like those heatbeats.  Get them from the green tea and the mountain tea.  mmmmmmm.  

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I guess we all have to ask ourselves: Why?
I still drink coffee and I read the comment about inflamation and I guess I just conveniently forgot that detail. Adrenal fatigue hmmmm. How do I handle stress if my adrenal glands gave up the fight since I won't stop drinking coffee? My answer: Denial. I'm glad you asked for reminders. I'm going to look at the adrenal issue again. And I'm also wondering if aches and pains I've been feeling are more from coffee than from possible undeflected avoids like wheat that slipped through my diet latley. But back to Why? I really think the ritual of making it has more to do with my continued overindulgence. I don't know about you but it is a thing for me to grind and wait for the brew  and then enjoy it. That ritual alone somehow defines my persistance. I avoid pots at stores. I don't really enjoy restaurant "sock juice"very much. If I can't have organic fair trade I feel cheated and guilty. I suppose the mission is to some how replace the ritual with something more meaningfull. Not that my coffe ritual is all that meaningfull, but somehow in a busy day it helps to form a window through which to view things and I really feel coffee has become part of that step. I read a book called "The fruit palace" once and there was an interesting explaination somewhere in it about plant affinities and humans. It might be a stretch to include coffee but I don't think so. We can chose our allies from the plant and animal kingdoms in this world. These allies are ready and willing to help as much as they can. It's not their job to know when to stop. If one invites forces into ones life..... You must endevore to remain in control of your needs.
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Without coffee (after withdrawal) I am peacefully active. With coffee I tend to be Type A personality; not nice for those around me. I am very much an O so if i add coffee...

I am planning to have my last coffee on Sunday. Saturday I start my holidays so if I feel sleepy I just find a good beach to have a little nap

Isa, thanks for your report. It really motivated me to to know you will make 1 year in October . I well remember those first days/weeks. Thank you for pulling it through. But I can not believe time has passed so fast.

How would you describe your difference? After all AB have a similar stress reaction to O's Well you are Royal but after all a human !

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What a great advice from all of you.  I had "kicked" the coffee habit for several months, but fell back into the habit a few weeks ago.  Taking several kids to college, staying  in hotels, visiting family, eating out a lot , having company ( the last of the company just left a few hours ago)  just set me over the edge!!!!!!!  I feel like I am on  major drugs right now.. I feel so bad... BUT!!   there is hope..... I feel like I can get back on track now and settle into my beloved BTD....I feel SO unhealthy right now.  I am vowing to myself NOT to  slip into this pattern again.. I am going to have to learn to stand up for myself when I'm on the road / have company/ out of my zone and just make the BTD happen.   I know I can do this.  It will just take a bit more thinking ahead and willpower.
So, I had coffee this morning,  with the dreaded sugar and milk.., but can anyone tell me the very best things I can do for myself the rest of the day to start back on tract FAST???  I do not have  deflect....
thanks for any help anyone can offer...
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Hello everyone, I'm new to the Blood type diet and have just started this week. I'm happy to say that i feel better already. My main goal is to feel better for life but i'd also like to lose an extra 25 lbs that i've been carrying around for the past 10 years. So far, i'm down by three!

I've always exercised and have eaten chicken and veggies regularly...but prior to reading D'Adamo's books,  I also used to eat alot of whole wheat everything!!! I thought it was good for me but now i understand that it's a big no-no for 0's and that wheat glutens were the reason why i wasn't losing weight.  Eliminating the wheat is already making a world of difference. Thanks Dr. D'Adamo!

I do have a question however. .. from reading ER4YT and CR4YT, i can't seem to find out exactly what is wrong with coffee. I only drink a cup of decaf in the morning ( on an empty stomach) and one at night. I'm wondering what the problem is with increased levels of stomach acid because coffee doesn't seem to bother the way i feel. So I'd love to have a little more information to help me justify the elimination of coffee from my diet.  Does coffee perhaps interfere with my ablility to metabolize food, therefore slowing down weight loss?

Thanks for your help and for the wealth of important information around here.  

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So, I had coffee this morning,  with the dreaded sugar and milk.., but can anyone tell me the very best things I can do for myself the rest of the day to start back on tract FAST???  .


load up on the bennies.........beef, broccoli, bananas, plums, walnuts, etc.    If you have some green tea, have some of that.......no sugar and milk    you might try a little agave nectar and soy milk.  I chose soy because unless you make your own, finding rice or almond milk w/o avoids is impossible.  




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Quoted from cybrsheri
So, I had coffee this morning,  with the dreaded sugar and milk.., but can anyone tell me the very best things I can do for myself the rest of the day to start back on tract FAST???  I do not have  deflect....
thanks for any help anyone can offer...


I have to say you where one of my motivators a few weeks back... I guess it was more than 15 days ago !

To answer your question: How did you do it before? You have done it already. There is no magic pill. Perhaps because of your compliance you are now feeling more the effects of the avoids and are feeling worse than when you first started... Who said the good life is easy?

Just think you have learned a lesson. I think most of us have gone through it.
1st. you learned how to follow BTD in your environment
2nd. you have just had a glimpse of how it is in the outside world. Better ammunition for next time

In any case, Italybound has good advice. Up with the bennies especially protein. Increase your protein.

Best wishes. You can make it. It will be a breeze



PS. Chances are you can go cold turkey on the coffee since you have been back only for a short period. If not just a couple of days to wean yourself off it. No big deal .

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Thanks for the welcome....and OOPS! Right after i posted, i noticed the other coffee thread.
Sorry about that.

But from reading the thread you referred me to, i still feel like the coffee doesn't make me feel bad and i don't think i'm experiencing inflamation from two cups of decaf coffee....
I did read in one response that it could" trigger an insulin resistance in some and other nasty stuff......" So does that mean that the two cups i drink could slow weight loss? or undo all the healthy eating i'm taking on?

I (like Mickey) need a kick in the butt and for someone to give me a specific reason for me personally to get rid of two cups a day...
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I merged the new thread on coffee with the existing recent thread on coffee.


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I (like Mickey) need a kick in the butt and for someone to give me a specific reason for me personally to get rid of two cups a day...


I do not know the disadvantages of decaf coffee but, I wonder the following: Why would Dr. D'Adamo specify it as avoid? Especially knowing all the hassle he would get  

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I did read in one response that it could" trigger an insulin resistance in some and other nasty stuff......" So does that mean that the two cups i drink could slow weight loss? or undo all the healthy eating i'm taking on?


vlollis,wishing you a warm welcome to BTD and the forums.......
since coffee can mess w/ your blood sugar (insulin  resistance), it could def be a factor in slowing weight loss. when your blood sugar is out of balance, it can upset all kinds of things in the body. If you think of your body as a clock.........when one gear is not working  properly, none of them are.  



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I do not know the disadvantages of decaf coffee but, I wonder the following: Why would Dr. D'Adamo specify it as avoid? Especially knowing all the hassle he would get  



Yes, you're right. There has to be a good reason for Dr. D'Adamo to specify coffee as an avoid...but i'm still struggling.  

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Apparently avoiding coffee is not about the caffeine.  
Re: decaf.......IF you are going to drink it, please be sure to find out how it is decaf'd. Some processes use formaldihyde, I think it is.  
A little info on how they decaf - dont know if this one goes into the really bad stuff or not........didnt get to read it all.
http://ask.yahoo.com/20060102.html




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vlollis,wishing you a warm welcome to BTD and the forums.......
since coffee can mess w/ your blood sugar (insulin  resistance), it could def be a factor in slowing weight loss. when your blood sugar is out of balance, it can upset all kinds of things in the body. If you think of your body as a clock.........when one gear is not working  properly, none of them are.  



Okay! That was the kick i needed. Thanks so much.  
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Okay! That was the kick i needed. Thanks so much.  


Hope it works for ya!! Coffee is prob the thing that some O's have the hardest time giving up. So you're not alone. Tho most are constantly looking for an acceptable coffee substitute.........that might actually taste like coffee ...........none found yet.  Have you tried the Hojicha Roasted Green Tea? Traditional Medicines makes a pretty good one. No it doesnt take like coffee    but you can steep it up to 10 minutes to get a more full bodied taste.  If you like a little sweetener and milk,  you might try a little agave nectar and soy milk.  I chose soy because unless you make your own, finding rice or almond milk w/o avoids is impossible.  




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Apparently avoiding coffee is not about the caffeine.  

It is probably more correct to say that avoiding coffee is not only about the caffeine.



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It is probably more correct to say that avoiding coffee is not only about the caffeine.


true...........I stand corrected.  



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coffee-elevates cortisol levels which promotes fat storage.
That's what finally persuaded me to give it up.


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Hey Susana!!

well, I WAS doing great...  for months... till  my whole routine changed and my life got topsy turvy..... I'm glad I was a good motivator for you, so now YOU are one for me.

I will have to just go cold turkey.. I know I can do it... tomorrow will be my day.  Coffee doesn't even TASTE as good to me as it used to.. I used to do the Cafe  DuMonde from Nawlins with heavy whipping cream and sugar.... I don't even buy the Cafe DuMonde or the whipping cream anymore... just plain coffee, well, Italian roast.... for my husband.  That is what he likes.. but it just doesn't taste as good, nor is it worth it...it really makes me feel BAD when I drink it.. I can feel my eyes get puffy and my head actually hurts... it never used to do that... it made me feel good.  I think that after being compliant for a long while,  going off intensifies the rugged feeling.  I've noticed that...
SO... I am going to  learn to get through stressful times and out of town times  ON the BTD.  I am going to say NO to doing too much.  
Thanks for  helping me through this one!
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I think that after being compliant for a long while,  going off intensifies the rugged feeling.  I've noticed that...


I have too.....makes you remember why you got off it (whatever 'it' may be ) in the first place.



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Hey Susana!!

..... I'm glad I was a good motivator for you, so now YOU are one for me.

I will have to just go cold turkey.. I know I can do it... tomorrow will be my day.  Coffee doesn't even TASTE as good to me as it used to.. I used to do the Cafe  DuMonde from Nawlins with heavy whipping cream and sugar.... I don't even buy the Cafe DuMonde or the whipping cream anymore... just plain coffee, well, Italian roast.... for my husband.  That is what he likes.. but it just doesn't taste as good, nor is it worth it...it really makes me feel BAD when I drink it.. I can feel my eyes get puffy and my head actually hurts... it never used to do that... it made me feel good.  I think that after being compliant for a long while,  going off intensifies the rugged feeling.  I've noticed that...
SO... I am going to  learn to get through stressful times and out of town times  ON the BTD.  I am going to say NO to doing too much.  
Thanks for  helping me through this one!


I hope I can meet your expectations. I am all for kicking the habit on the week end.

Perhaps it is me (I am too motivated !) but reading you now is not on the same tone you were before. That is a motivator to me. You were so peacefully bouncy before So positive, energetic.... Perhaps it is just you are just concerned on how to avoid a down fall again.

Best wishes,

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Quoted from ironwood55

It is probably more correct to say that avoiding coffee is not only about the caffeine.



Dr. D. specifies "coffee (reg.decaf)" as an avoid both on LR4YT and Aging. So I guess it is not only the caffeine.

Probably Italybound is correct and it is the process to make it decaf.

On typebase: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?5 for Secretor:
AVOID: Contains component which can modify known disease susceptibility.
So it is not just the caffeine .


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Dr. D. specifies "coffee (reg.decaf)" as an avoid both on LR4YT and Aging. So I guess it is not only the caffeine.Probably Italybound is correct and it is the process to make it decaf.


  I suspect there must be something in the 'makeup' of that dang coffee bean as well.    It would be to their benefit, for those who can drink coffee, if they drink decaf, they might call the company and see just how they do that.  



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lol...  Suzana... I just had three old ladies stay with me for 4 days.. I had to entertain them and cook for them all of that time... and just delivered two kids to college... and traveling with   the youngest to out of town soccer matches!

I'll be back to the "energetic" Sheri ..... now I'm determined  .....
and you are right.. I'm feeling  less than energetic  right now... I've had the living life sucked out of me the last few weeks... I now know that I will  hold up better if I follow the BTD INSTEAD of giving in due to  stress/ lack of compliant food and situations...

tomorrow... is another day!!
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SheriBerry, you get a purple heart for what you just went thru, lol.
Stuff I just saw mentioned, puffy, achy joints, tired, etc., oh yeah the weight gain - HMMM! - maybe the coffee I fell back into (and all the cream I put in it) has done much of this to me...
Isa, you are so good to be rid of your belove'd cafe' , good for you!! And it was so hard for you to quit, I know.
I think a lot of what we miss about coffee is the magic/zen of the ritual, a moving prayer, if you will. We just need to replace that comforting ritual with a newly relevant comforting ritual.
All that being said, I didn't have any coffee today, and am jonesing for it. I'm so disgusted - I didn't even like coffee a few years ago, I came to that taste relatively late.
Thanks for the thread, guys, I needed to read this, too, thank you all!!!!


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SherriBerry, Martha D’Adamo says this: “I would say I am 80 - 90% compliant on the program in general, and when I am feeling stressed or worn out, my compliance goes to 95%-100%.” Here: http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/31/archives/00000012.htm. I believe the term compliance here is referring to % beneficials. So in times of stress Martha eats 95%-100% beneficial.

Based on OSuzanna’s experience with her relatively new habit of coffee drinking, it is never top late lo learn (especially practice ) a new habit.

I am all for it!



PS. So SherriBerry, next time in addition to all you had lately you know, a new habit, ! But, you can make it... you'll be compliant


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woke up this morning..  JUST had my green tea, no sugar, no soy, no heavy whipping cream.. and I feel fantastic!  
you know how we have all said that after being compliant and then falling off of the wagon, we "feel" really worse?  I said that in my earlier thread on this... well, I can also say that when  being compliant, the GOOD difference is huge, as well...  I can't tell you how CLEAR I feel today..  unlike days when I have coffee..  when I do, I feel clogged, slow, puffy, thick and inflamed... it's only the first sip that seems magical... and as said above.. the ritual... I WILL tell you all to avoid the Green Tea  mix at Starbucks.. it's loaded with a ton of  non compliant soy milk and some melon syrup... it's very very sweet!!  and I might as well have had a milkshake.. lol
Thanks, Osusanna,for your purple heart nomination .....  in retrospect it really was fun, just a bit stressful... but fun...
and Susana, thanks for the tidbit from Martha.. good to know.. I have not read it yet, but  the concept sure makes sense...  thanks!  I have to  remember to plan ahead.. even pack foods when traveling... checking out restaurants ahead of time.. etc...

for all of you trying to quit coffee, don't give up...  yes, sighs.. I did slip, but since I was off of it for 4 months prior to the slip, it's not so tramatic to go back to plain tea.. in fact, it's  bliss.... I do miss the sweet taste, but the clarity is worth the trade...  keep up the good work!

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Yes!

This is the SherriBerry I am used to.

Well done for going with your will and having yout green tea. Glad to know you are feeling much better.

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YES!!  I agree!



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Also, and this is most important for women, it blocks the absorbsion of calcium.  And for O's we have a hard enough time with that.  

By the way this was a wonderful thread!!
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Day 3 for me.... I have been tired this afternoon, and I actually had time to take a little snooze.. imagine that!  I don't feel bad, just like my body needs to rest a bit, , so I gave into that.  I know I will have a few days of this, maybe even a week or two.  Yesterday when I felt this way I had no  time, so I  had some green tea.. that picked me up.  Today I'm trying to allow my body to slow down.  Even though I am not quite as energetic as I am "on coffee", I feel cleaner and less  puffy and irritated.  
I still can't figure out what to have in the mornings other than plain green tea.  I am not really hungry, so I just don't eat.  Coffee with  half and half or cream and sugar was my deal.  I don't feel like fruit or meat or greens.. so  I have just been waiting till I feel hungry and then eating   like two hours later.  Today I had eggs.... so see? it is just the ritual of the coffee that was bliss..
I still say that even though I had coffee again for two  weeks, it's  MUCH easier to go back off of it since I was off for about 4 months.. so.. all of you fighting coffee,  DON'T GIVE UP!!
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My mom is fighting coffee and has been off it for 2 days. She is an O secretor and usually pretty complient on everything except coffee. She has been addicted to it for as long as I can remember and lately she had been saying she was only drinking it on weekends but I know she had been drinking it every day. She has lots of really great green tea I ordered for her and drinks it everyday as well. But last weekend she had too many beers and coffee and got acid reflux on monday and that seems to be a catalyst for her trying to give it up. I explained that coffee increases stomach acid which is why it is good for me along with a similar isoflavonoid that is found in soy. And the beer is heavily grain based and there was probably wheat in it which is why she had gotten acid reflux. That stout is so good. I also told her to drink bubbley water which will lower stomach acid and it seems to have helped her. I will find out tonight if she didnt have coffee today and noticed a difference. I keep telling her there is a thread right now where other O's are trying to give up coffee and talking about there experiences so thanks for all your insights.
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Day 3 for me.... I have been tired this afternoon, and I actually had time to take a little snooze.. imagine that!  I don't feel bad, just like my body needs to rest a bit, , so I gave into that.  I know I will have a few days of this, maybe even a week or two.  Yesterday when I felt this way I had no  time, so I  had some green tea.. that picked me up.  Today I'm trying to allow my body to slow down.  Even though I am not quite as energetic as I am "on coffee", I feel cleaner and less  puffy and irritated.  


Perhaps your body is asking for some rest after the stressful period.

It is actually one of the issues I have with coffee. I use it to push myself and unfortunately it leads me to no good end... a cold, extra tired, or just plain craby, not to mention internal, non obvious, issues.

Without coffee I am active to my body's correct limits. I think it is much safer although I may not do as much as society... on the short run


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I don't mean to get off of the track of this thread, but what a WONDERFUL thought you've introduced to me about being even MORE compliant under times of stress.. it really really makes sense.. it's like  preparing yourself for battle.. lol
but seriously, in the past I've used coffee as a crutch when I get stressed... when in truth, it only weakens me... I now have the mindset that I want to fortify myself when I'm stressed and eat as many bennies as I can...
and just for the record, I got up this morning, looked at the coffee pot full of coffee ( for my husband) and had my green tea.... whallaa!  instant clarity... and a sense of pride... for being STRONG!!!! I can already see my skin looking clear and bright  on day 4...
I think for me it's the decision I make when I open my eyes.. as I'm walking down the stairs.. coffee or tea??  lol... so far so good... keep up the  good work, everyone...!
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Sometime in the late '80's, a friend gave me an article about coffee, which I really wish I still had a copy of.  It talked about the alkaloids in coffee and how some of them are extremely harsh and toxic to the liver and kidneys.  It said that caffeine is the least of our concerns where coffee is concerned.  The article described each of the alkaloids and the damage they do to our bodies.  That permanently changed my perspective on coffee.  While I continued to drink it (at a diminished volume) I never again had the illusion that it was a good idea.  It took the BTD to propel me away from the cuppa completely.

I have recently searched google for similar information, and there is nothing I can find that addresses these points.



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Bad for the liver and kidneys? A possibility that pushes the score further into the "Why do I do it?" catagory. Thinking back to how great I felt after starting this BTD way of nourishment. Placing great emphysis on avoiding all the usual things and seeking out sources for more of the things recommended, natually coffee was the most easily identified and actually delt with. I was looking for results, I went cold turkey. No headaches just some morning fatigue. And result were strikingly good all around. I became such a sickening advocate. Most on the forum know the feeling of a voice crying in the wilderness, shunned by familly and friends alike, their eyes glazing over as you speak to those who will not hear, let alone listen. In time I feel I learned to moderate my delivery and tone down the vehemence and then I also began to drink coffee again.....Coffee ,coffee, coffee, Get thee behind me!
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P.S. Victoria, can you recall the source for that article? How about contacting your friend for details if that's possible?


iemnli,
I do wish I could do that, but alas!  It was 20 years ago and I was living on the other side of the country.  I have no idea who gave it to me, except that it was a friend into natural foods and healthy living.  It was a photocopy out of a magazine.  That's about all my memory has saved from that event!



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I still haven't 'Given up Coffee', but I have only had 2 cups this month...
After a heavy daily habit, I found some alternatives to try (green tea whipped up with ghee and cocoa like Lola suggested, and dandelion 'coffee' with cream)
I have found that at first i had coffee every second day only, and then only on weekends, and then it started to make me feel strange / did not enjoy the flavour as much, now I imagine I will only have it at my favourite cafe when I am there (once a fortnight?)..maybe not even that much at all?
I dont know, because I havent told myself I am giving it up somehow I am giving it up?!?
I know it would be harder if you go to cafes every day tho!

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I looked at the bag I have of beans the other day and just said I don't think I'll get anymore the next time I go shopping.  I really hope I'll just not get anymore and replace my morning jolt with something else. I know it is in my best interest and sort of feel the ritual is verging on death cult status to continue. I'll probably get that holier than thou attitude going and will regret that but it might help to push against the tide I know will be tugging a me. I've done it before and felt great I just didn't connect coffee or absence of it to the improvement. This will be a more forcefull validation of the concept for me than when I started the BTD because two major present avoids will be removed and the backdrop is so otherwise free of other poor choices at this point.
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Has anyone tried lemon and ginger tea - I drink it a lot and find it helps - I do have poor circulation and it it also good for that too - been off coffee again  now for two weeks - feeling good!
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I still haven't 'Given up Coffee', but I have only had 2 cups this month...
After a heavy daily habit, I found some alternatives to try (green tea whipped up with ghee and cocoa like Lola suggested, and dandelion 'coffee' with cream)
I have found that at first i had coffee every second day only, and then only on weekends, and then it started to make me feel strange / did not enjoy the flavour as much, now I imagine I will only have it at my favourite cafe when I am there (once a fortnight?)..maybe not even that much at all?
I dont know, because I havent told myself I am giving it up somehow I am giving it up?!?
I know it would be harder if you go to cafes every day tho!


This is the way I got out of the coffee loop also.  And I never said that I would never have it again.  The thing is, every time I taste coffee now, it makes me feel so absolutely poisoned that it's easy to avoid it.



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I know it is so bad for me..I find myself with my morning coffee in one hand and 2 deflects in the other. I had such wicked withdrawl the last time I quit but somehow it always sneaks back into my system. I come from German parents with strong european roots..they seem to drink coffee like water, part of our culture ( I'm sure you Suedes out there can empathize...I think Ikea and I think of coffee) Reading these posts have really opened up my eyes again...If Isa can do it, we all can too!

I had to add this in..I just made cocoa drink that is really great. Couple of teaspoons of light agave nector mixed with a tablespoon or so of cocoa mix into a paste with a bit of water then add boiled water to taste. I didn't make it very sweet and it really satisfies like a coffee..neutral for all types





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good for you girly!
add some lecithin to that and a dollop of ghee!!


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The lemon/ginger tea sounds nice!....i've given up the coffee for over a week now and i dont miss it. ....it helped that i gave up caffeine last spring and was drinking decaf anyway.  I quit caffeine because i read that it was the source of constricted muscles around my shoulders and neck..sure enough when i quit caffeine, the neck pain ceased.

i'm very happy with my tea and honey in the morning and at night...i just hope that my Tazo - Calm Herbal Infusion is okay...the main tea is Chamomile, a neutral, but it has two High Beneficials  - peppermint and sarsaparilla. I'm not sure about the hibiscus flowers and lemongrass in it but it smells lovely, has no caffeine and tastes great.
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A cup of green tea with a little unsweetened cocoa also helps to meet that craving for coffee.  Anywhere from 1/2 tsp to 1 Tb cocoa.



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All such good suggestions!!
So Lola, what is the benefit of the lecithin? I used to have it years ago as an "emulsifier"..  there was some diet that promoted that with wheat germ, apple cider vinegar, lecithin and  something or other else... so why do you add that to your coco?
And for all of you coco drinkers out there, which one do you recomend?  Do you do sweetened or unsweetened?
ok, I had some coffee.. it tasted yuck... I  am happy!   That is such a breakthrough!
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lecithin contains the B vitamins Cholin and Inositol, two

components that keep cholesterol at bay!
also a great lubricant joints, nervous-system.....you name it!
as an "emulsifier", yes, even inside your body!
Leicithin keeps the circulatory system clean and elastic.

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Lecithin is all that!!

I only use unsweetened cocoa when I use it.  I'm newly tired of cocoa in my green tea, and have just gone back to drinking it straight.

For a while I drank green tea with cocoa, lecithin and ghee.
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Ok, since i started this thread i thought i'd give an update.

Well since i started this thread i have gone off and on coffee a few times.  I'm out of my element right now.  I'm living somewhere temporarily until i find a place in a new town.  My living conditions are not too BTD friendly and i've been traveling alot.  Soo needless to say it has not been soo easy getting off the coffee.  

As of today i've been off of coffee for 4 days.  The only thing is i've been extremely tired.  Normally when i go off coffee i get headaches and sometimes flu like symptoms.  I guess i should be happy that i don't have the headaches!.  When i'm talking tired, i'm talking sleeping all day or feeling like i want to sleep all day.  Does anyone know if this is a typical symptom of getting off coffee?.

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As of today i've been off of coffee for 4 days.  The only thing is i've been extremely tired.  Normally when i go off coffee i get headaches and sometimes flu like symptoms.  I guess i should be happy that i don't have the headaches!.  When i'm talking tired, i'm talking sleeping all day or feeling like i want to sleep all day.  Does anyone know if this is a typical symptom of getting off coffee?.

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definitely!
have some green tea with a dab of veg glycerine or compliant sweetener you wish.......
it s the body tricking you back into the habit......drink lots of water, and have beneficials at hand to nibble on.


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I agree as well, that the lack of coffe is what is making you feel so ihhhh............that tired feeling is what makes it so darn hard to kick coffee.....you just have to muddle thru if you really wanna kick it. Be strong, hang in there, you can do it..........chant this daily ............been there, know what you're going thru and good for you that you've gone 4 days w/o!!!!!    as suggested, green tea or see if you can find some really compliant dark chocolate!! That oughta make ya happy, less'ns ya dont like choc.  




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green tea or twig tea (kukicha) will perk you up, though it never has before!
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Well after finding out yesterday that I am a non-secretor, I have given up the java for good. 35 hours and no headache...wierd really because I've done it before with like heroin withdrawl symptoms! I've been drinking diluted green tea with stevia all day....humm maybe it works





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....can you support stevia...I can't..... feel very after and get the envy for vomiting .....

then I found out...he-he-heee i minuscules letters it is written in lr4yt...stevia A2B..avoid.... .......

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also an O non avoid!


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It's not avoid for me, but makes me feel yukky just the same.  Green tea soon comes to taste so good and pure when taken straight.  Interesting how quickly the tastes and cravings change when we stop confusing our bodies.

Never in a million years would I have ever believed that green tea would come to taste better than coffee!  I started drinking the java when I was 13, and so the addiction was pretty deeply embedded.  Green tea tastes and feels like nectar in my body.  No boiling water is ever used, by the way.



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Well, it's official for me.. coffee now makes me sick.  I think I mentioned I have a pretty hectic fall going on here.  I've been out of town every single weekend , which means I'm "out of my routine and element"... and kitchen!
So this past week  I was in Memphis...I even brought my own green tea... but guess what? On the morning we were flying home I thought I'd have some coffee.   To make matters worse, we ate lunch at the airport, and I had some beef vegetable soup.. I'm sure it was full of avoids... and I had a Starbucks coffee...and dinner went downhill too... so needless to say, I felt like I had been hit by a truck when I woke up on Sunday.  Had MORE coffee on Sunday and felt so bad.... had bennies to eat the rest of the day..and now I'm back to my green tea and I feel safe....
I am really amazed at how BAD I feel now when I have avoids, particularly coffee...with milk and sugar
I'm drinking my tea with honey.... only...
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It's interesting how often coffee is the first thing people crave after having eaten avoids.  



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Sheri you ve learned a powerful lesson, and that s what counts!


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IGreen tea tastes and feels like nectar in my body.  No boiling water is ever used, by the way.


as in you bring the water to a boil and let it cool a tad?



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It's interesting how often coffee is the first thing people crave after having eaten avoids.  


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In the absence of a crane to lift us up


and then crush you good!!!


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Well, I am back from my holidays and I am off coffee. I have not had it in the last week.

The proof is this first week of labour. I have noticed that when I have my spinach egg omelet for breakfast I feel so good I see no reason why I would need a coffee.

I do not know how I will react when I meet for my friend for a coffee. I love our meetings and I wonder if I will make it without one.

I have just noticed in both paragraphs I have written a ? regarding my future consumption. I call that rouble waters as experience tells me that when the test comes I give in.

This holiday has been good to make me a greater believer on Dr. D's work. So if he says no coffee for O's I will give it a good try. As I write this I can tell a part of me wants to indulge the other doesn't.

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whenever you feel like coffee is calling your name, look into the fish and herb translations for me instead!
how does that sound?


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Question for non coffee drinkers who used to consume:

Would you say your energy levels are higher now or before when you drank? Do you get more things done now or before?


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whenever you feel like coffee is calling your name, look into the fish and herb translations for me instead!
how does that sound?


! But wouldn't I need the energy from coffee to do so

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Seeing this topic made me realize that I DID have a coffee yesterday while on a break at work.  Amazing how I blocked that from memory when logging my food into my diary.   I was very cold and thought it would warm me up - adding the cream would cool it a bit make it easier to drink than a tea...only 15 minute break.  I told myself that organic coffee wasn't 'that' bad for me - oh how we trick ourselves eh?  Well, the up side ... I didn't drink the whole cup as I wasn't enjoying it.

Today is Day 1 of being coffee free again.

Like the cocoa suggestions.  Will pick some up.


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wouldn't I need the energy from coffee to do so


coffee never gave me energy, now that I think back.....
mate does though, without the jittery part which is an asset!


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coffee never gave me energy, now that I think back.....


Actually, I got wonderful energy from it when returning after a period of abstinenece or having only one cup a day. But I am afraid a cup a day is not for me. I want more which only made me more tired. But I did get the initial energy to get going.

I guess the best way to know if I will end up having better energy throughout the day is to test it myself. I will postpone my coffee consumption till November 1st. See what I have to say then.

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try yerba mate instead.......


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it has been almost a month for me w/out coffee and I am doing pretty good suprisingly. I dont miss it like I thought I would and I love Starbucks coffee. Doesnt help either that the coffee pot is right by my desk at work  
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Doesn't help either that the coffee pot is right by my desk at work.

that is precisely it!!
once you rid yourself of a noxious habit, it doesn't matter how close it is located.......
great resolve, congratulations!!

pretty soon the smell will make you noxious!
that s what happened to me.


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Susana, the oposite is truth, café won't give any energy, it is only a feeling that it lookslike
it is merely draining you
since I stopped it , makes soon one year (this month)....not even one cup and all dearles, you won't believe me but I do feel just great....and I was a real café- addicted .....liters, not cups...but liters daily ...... .....only coz I thought that it made me fitter yiikes....not at all; but I'ven't any withdrawals when getting off; that was good .....
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Drinking coffee gives an immediate sense of more energy, but what an illusion.  It's like sitting in the car with the radio on, the heat blower on, the headlights on . . . all draining off the battery.  Later, when you start up the engine, the battery may be low.  If this is a regular habit, eventually the battery will not hold a charge.

Coffee energy is our own stored energy that is pulled from the adrenal system, eventually exhausting the adrenals.  Eventually we get to that point where coffee does not make us feel energized any more, but we just feel more and more drained.

At first, off coffee, I felt so sleepy and tired.  As my adrenals recovered, I find that I don't have the "highs and lows" that I had on coffee, but my energy level is more steady throughout the day, and I sleep better.



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Isa, congratulations! next year we celebrate mine

You and Victoria and what Lola mentioned a few posts before is exactly right. It does not really give energy. Just the illusion which is useful initially but troublesome later.

Today I have made up my mind. I have to say Isa's and Victoria's posts helped. I have done more things than I have ever accomplished. I would have never thought I had so much energy And my mood was superb I did not even need the mate Coffee was calling me all day long though. I just hope I am wise enough to detect temptation in the future.

Thank you for letting me know that I am much better off without coffee  .

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Hey Susana,
I'm right  there with you!!!  Yes, I have fallen off of the wagon a few times, but I feel SO awful that I really have no desire to keep drinking the stuff... if only I had something wonderful to eat in the morning that would be a treat for me... I tried almond butter.. just straight almond butter.. about 2 table spoons.. but it put me straight into a coma.. I even got the  good organic raw stuff.... wonder why? I tried the walnut butter and it  was so expensive and just not so  great... I just need to find some "perky" thing to  make me wake up and run to the kitchen as I did with coffee.. lol.. I think it was the sugar and milk, to be honest.. even the soy milk.. so how many of you  who are/ were addicted to coffee put stuff in it, and how many of you drank / drink it black??  see, I  think I like the sugar and cream in it more than the coffee itself....
sorry  guys.. meat and greens just don't "thrill " me in the mornings yet.. maybe some day!  I just need something creamy... I might go back to some mana bread with ghee..  I think I just like hot and creamy in the morning..   that's a hard one!
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I tried the walnut butter and it  was so expensive and just not so  great.


Did you make your own, or buy it in the store? I like homemade walnut butter. I use raw walnut pieces and a bit of walnut oil to bind it all together. Dee-lish.


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Macadamia butter is great as well. I put it through the Champion juicer with the added 'tool' and it tastes delicious. It would not get me out of bed though.
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I just like hot and creamy in the morning..

how about a hot cup of vegetable cream soup made with your homemade bone broth!!! yummmmmmmmm
that s nice and creamy!
you can make it extra creamy by blending some nut butter into the mix.


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excellent description of what coffee does to your system, Victoria!


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@ Susana ...yep we will do that forr surrre ...ahem what I remarked as well, but didn't wanted to realize coz of being forced to change somethin ....it triggered enormously my
hypoclycemia...it was and since I got off...I feel muchmore balanced and just great....not that nervous nor agressive ....

amazing my stubborness .....
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SheriBerry, I am with you on the coffee for breakfast. I love mine with sugar and milk or soy milk. I still remember once I was not drinking it going to my mother in law's for breakfast and falling in love on how she served it on a pretty cup, poured the warm milk, the sugar, and then, oh my, the stirring. And let's not continue with the spreading of butter on toast....

The thing is, if I have coffee for breakfast I need it for the rest of the day. No way I can do without it then.

I have now found great pleasure on a good amount 100gms spinach (I use frozen for convenience) and 1 egg, done in ghee. And a cup of green tea, without sugar or cream.

Also, I used to enjoy very much grounded flax seeds with a little warm water and a smashed banana. Sometimes I even added some nuts. I made it relatively compact in order to have it with a spoon.

I wonder the idea of green tea and cocoa, and perhaps some ghee. I am afraid of it since chocolate gives me pimples. I wonder if unsweetened cocoa will harm me too. I am not willing to experiment just in case I like it

For a period I really enjoyed warm soy milk with sweetened cococa. I was having other pieces of candy so I do not know what provocked the pimples.

I have trouble dissolving my carob powder on warm soy milk but perhpas it works for you.



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I feel muchmore balanced and just great....not that nervous nor agressive .......


I am not nervous but I have so much enegy I find myself quite agressive. I have to   to prevent the "please drop the wheat & coffee will you "  !

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I'm drinking my green tea and reading this all....!
I'm so grateful to be rid of the brain fog and low energy...
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I have no pimples from drinking a cup of hot unsweetened cocoa powder with ghee and lecithin and a touch of BS Molasses every night!!
note I do not add any type of milk or other sweetener to that which would cause some pimples for sure!!


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Yum, Lola!  That sounds so delicious.  We're really onto something with the black cocoa, and it doesn't need any milk to make it rich.  I love the drink.



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Love the effect of mate. It does give a little extra enegy. More than green tea, at least for me. Thanks Lola for your persistance

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happy you tried it and liked it, too!!

are you using a 'matera' and 'bombilla'
those are an absolute must!!
http://alpataco.eurofull.com/shop/productos.asp?id=42

to give you an idea.......they do not have to be fancy or anything......


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Hi Susana,

I've taken to drinking one cup black
coffee with my meat and vegetabel
and prunes and piece of chocolate for
breakfast. Started about 6 weeks
ago after stopping for 6+ months.

Yes, one cup of black coffee with
my breakfast gives me higher
energy levels and yes, I do get
more work done. My day starts at
5:50 am, Mon. thru Fri. and the
early time is not my cup of tea
(no pun intended).

I have never been a heavy
coffee drinker in my life and
go for decades not having
any. There is no headache
or other withdrawal symptoms
if I suddenly stop. It is strickly
for energy and , I guess, taste
that I drink it now. Without it,
at this job that I've had for the
last 1 1/2 years, I feel "dragging".
It's one of those things that
you make a call on regarding
the BTD. I eat mostly beneficials,
some neutrals and very few
avoids.

Maybe Dr. D's new book will allow
coffee for certain 0's. Dreaming?
Maybe.

Cordially,
Margaret


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why not just dark chocolate instead of coffee? the dark still has caffeine.....i think you have the ability to adapt to the stress without coffee, and perhaps looking for excuses.
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Margaret,
at first glance thought your post was a poem you had created!! lol


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Hi Lola,

You're right, my post does have those short poem-like lines. In emails if there are too many letters per line the receiving end gets everything chopped up so I was trying to avoid that happening here.

I've learned something new. Just type and let the lines fall where they may!

Thank you, comper, for your confidence in my ability. I do drink dark cocoa powder with agave the rest of the day---about 3 cups. Did I mention that I drink a cup of the dark cocoa along with my cup of coffee with breakfast? Yes. The one cup of black coffee makes my work day pleasant. Without it I'm just puttin' in the time...something that is odious to an 0.

Cordially,
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Here I sit... in a hotel..and drinking my green tea!!   What a milestone, given that the coffee with the free breakfast would be the evil thing causing me to give in  in past weeks....
I am here for parents' weekend at my son's  college..  breakfast will be on campus, so I guess I'll just play it safe and eat fruit and tea... lunch at his fraternity house is on the grill... might be ok!! anyway, I'm getting through another weekend of being  "out of my element" without  wrecking my normal way of eating...
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omG all those mate-potties... and watch out... the prices 142 US$ for tea!!! hey,hey,hey....
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just wanted to show the pictures of what they look like!!
locally, any Argentinian restaurant sells them, for a more reasonable price, I am sure!


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but those potties are just beautiful thanx for sharing
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Lola, I have one of those, but I did not know what it was called exactly.... I bought it from a  coffee shop in florida.. this guy was selling them from his homeland...  but the stuff I bought from him to put in it is Yerba Mate.. and  is it to drink cold or hot? I was thinking cold... I'd LOVE it hot.. can I do that?  it's more "green" tasting, isn't it? sort of like a green tea? is that what you drink  all of the time?  anyway,  I do like mine, but I don't get it out much..
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I drink yerba mate hot!!
I take about 2 or 3 teaspoons in my 'matera' every morning.........
and I fill it twice with hot water, not boiling, just nice and hot.
I would not take it cold.......

that s about all the mate I take a day, mornings, and love it.....
I just do not care for it later on during the day, then I take a large cup of green tea, with some lemongrass......


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Hi Lola,

Do you have your mate powdered or tea leaves??.. Wondering what tastes best...
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I can get that powdered or with 'twigs' and leaves mixed.......called 'con palo' in Spanish......
I do prefer the less powdered one, 'con palo'........has more 'body' to it, I think.


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ok, thanx. I have only tried it once as a brewed tea leaf, but it kept me awake all night(?!) Guess it is best used in the a.m!
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absolutely!
it is too energetic for the afternoon or night......


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Lolalein, isn't that also greatly würrgsam against hunger, this matetea ....and I've to into our fible, if I remember well it is ok for all bloodtypes ....a bloodtype friendly organic anti-fress-pacage;)
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I buy tea bags and have it in a mug. I am so Occidental . Although I have read some Argentinians have it this way as well

I will get all my gear together soon. I just wish I could hold some samples so I know what shape of bombilas is best etc...

I want to buy myself a new breakfast kit. I love breakfast kits so this one will be my next. I wonder what will be my husband's look

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Isa, it sure is 'würrgsam against hunger, this matetea'!!!

have to force myself and grab a bite mornings cause it does work!

Susana, nothing compares to the bulk mate!!
ask for it 'con palo'.......superior to the bags.

I do have bags for when I go on a trip, and do not take the 'matera and the bombilla' along.....although I do take my extra large mug!!!
can t leave that behind!
the tiny cups they serve, don t work for me!


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We've gone from coffee to mate... anything to keep us from the evil thing

So you put a couple of teaspoons on the matera. Then some nice hot water, how much? 1 teaspoon for 1 mug? then you let it rest? For how long? Then you serve it in a mug? And drink it with the bombilla?

It is all the paraphernalia that is intersting. I want to make sure I get all the kit


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I ve seen Argentinians really pack their materas with mate!!
like maybe 5 or 6 Tbls full!!
they just keep adding hot water to that, and sip throughout the day.

I prefer 2 Tbls and just fill the matera twice with water........then I m through with mate for the day!!

An Argentinian boy friend of my daughter s came over one late afternoon, he proceeded to make himself some mate.......he filled the whole matera up with palo!!!!
I almost had a shock!!!
I then sent them both off to buy me some more mate, he practically emptied my stash!!

he said that s the way they drink it 'back home'!!!! ''well not in this home'', I said!!

my hub flies to Argentina often, invited as professor to congresses.......
when he goes out shopping or whatever, he tells me the shop owners offer you a sip of their bombillas.....cause they re constantly filling them up with boiling water!!!
I m sure he does accept sips from good looking female shop owners, here 'entre nous'!!!
I rather keep my bombilla to myself, thank you!


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So it is meant for one to drink, with the aid of the bombillo (straw like item) from the matera.

It does not mater how long the water is in contact with the mate, as opposed to eg. green tea where one has to remove the leaves from the water at a specific time. Also, it does not mater how many times water is poured on the same mate. The power does not go or the flavour deteriorates.

So all I have to get is the matera, bombillo and mate con palo.


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I do not like leaving the water in the matera......
I drink it as soon as it has reached an agreeable temperature.

people do not leave the water standing and getting cold, this is the reason why they keep adding hot water.
mine doesn t taste as good if I fill it a third time...it does loose force and taste.
I believe it is entirely up to your taste buds as to how you prefer drinking it!


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Found what seems like a good procedure here: http://www.gauchogourmet.com/M.....Category=PREPARACION"

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right, as I say, you can try whatever feels best.


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Hi Lola,
Alright! You have convinced me what with everyone's back and forth about yera mate con palo and how much better than coffee it is for a person, to try it again.  I have the tea bags in my cupboard and they are now out on the counter.

If memory serves it gave me a headache. Did anyone else have that reaction? It didn't seem to do much for me but for the sake of being more compliant with the BTD, I'll try again. Our local health food store didn't have any of the "con palo", but maybe Whole Foods does. The tea bags I have are GUAYAKI Organic that are "yerba mate leaves and stems, wood-dried and cedar wood aged". It is a fine powder. A good brand? Does wood-dried mean it was smoked? Avoid the smoked kind, yes?

Tomorrow morning is the time to try it as it a little late in the day now...although there is that third wall in the house to be painted today.....maybe try some now for go-get-em energy.

Thank you, Lola, and everyone for your imput.

Cordially,
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hope it doesn t keep you awake all night!! lol


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I have now tried to drink mate three different times and it just does not agree with me. I do get a headache with most new additions but I also did not feel well for a couple of hours. I was careful to use small doses but mate is not a "go" with me. Darn...
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sorry to hear that!


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ok, so  as most of you know I'm really OFF of coffee... I've been drinking green tea.. sometimes plain.. some days with some honey and soy... but this thread has really gotten me excited about getting out my mate thingie cup again.. I even saved some ground meat and onions for breakfast, so I am at least going to give this a try.. the hot mate... just to see... and I'm going to New Orleans Tuesday to see my daughter and it will be GOOD to take this with me and avoid all that wonderful Nawlins  Cafe DuMonde... mmm.. ( No No No noOoo)
I've had the mate for awhile.. does it go bad? I'm going to try it in the morning...
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I believe it doesn t go bad!
unless it were not properly dried before packaging which is not that probable.


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I've been on the program for about 6 months. The coffee topic caught my attention, I decided to give up my 30+ year coffee habit.  Bad move for me, I developed phlegm in my throat that never completely went away, consitpated, couldn't sleep and my blood pressure went through the roof.  All of these things lasted for 2 months.  The other things like headaches and nausia went away in a couple weeks.  After seeing my doctor, I have returned to coffee drinking, just 16 onces per day or less.  After 3 weeks I have no symptoms.  I'll have the blood pressure checked again by Dr in couple weeks. I completely understand the addiction, and anyone trying to give it up, best of luck to you.    

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Hi Dewdrop,

Thnak you for your feedback on Yerbe Mate. I didn't feel well when I first tried it and for some reason I thought that it was not safe to drink daily for an extended period of time. Some website I must have read but the Naturpathic Doctor at the local health food store said it was safe all around.

Still I decided to try it again last night after all the buzz and yes, Lola, drinking Yerba Mate at 5 pm did indeed kept me awake and alert. I painted that wall with 3 coats of paint and finished the trim to boot! It was 1:30 a.m. and I had set my alarm for 6 a.m. It was difficult to fall asleep and I could tell I had overextended myself which makes for a difficult sleep. Still that wall looks mighty nice. And only one more coat to go.

So the Yeba Mate definitely pumped me up, I felt it almost immediately. This morning I had 2 cups with breakfast and I'll see how it goes. I didn't notice any headache this time around and I felt fine to work.

It's too soon to tell if Yerba Mate can replace my coffee "forever" but I've had no coffee today and I am functioning on very little sleep.

That's unfortunate, janice g, that you felt poorly after drinking the mate. But isn't coffee, one cup, ok for an A? I seem to remember that one of the blood types can have some coffee and still be compliant.

Cordially,
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ok..ok..Lola...convinced me will swift to mate as well....there is also green mate....what is the difference in the tast to the normal-one and is there any difference of its *wüürrgsamkeit* .......
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I know only one kind of mate and it is quite green with twigs and all.

Margaret, I can just picture you painting away in the middle of the night!!


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there is also green mate....what is the difference in the tast to the normal-one and is there any difference of its *wüürrgsamkeit*


I remember when I lived in Germany that I could only buy 'brown' (= roasted) mate, that is probably what you are thinking of Tomatilla. I have never seen the 'brown' one in Australia, here we only have the 'green' one.
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Tried yerba mate this morning but think i used too little water, I had 2 small sake cups full only. It was not unlike those yuk wheat grass shots that are popular...

-brewed 2 tblspns in a teapot as i dont have a matera / bombilla, and let the small amount of water pass thru the leaves and drank it pretty much straight after that, no sitting around waiting... was this incorrect?

More water required? I read on another site that the matera is usually filled almost with the mate and only a little water should be used as it is not recommended to take tea with allot of water.. but exactly how much is a little??

tomorrow shall i try leaving it brew a little longer like green tea? And perhaps double the water...
I like that it was only a small shot like amount to drink as it is not so nice to drink allot of tea anyhow.

ooh, and i think the brown mate is the smoked variety??

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ok, so I didn't eat the meat and onions and mate for breakfast.. I DID have green tea with honey and soy.... sighs... well , at least it's not coffee!!! I had the meat and onions for lunch... but
.. my poor husband is now trying to give up coffee.. he's AB... he deveoloped a BAD cold the first few days of no coffee... maybe detoxing instead of a cold??? he has felt awful.. now he's doing a bit better...  we are both doing this together.. the real test will be  for me in New Orleans where they have the wonderful cafe du monde.. mmmm.. I'm taking my green tea with me!!  I am just going to say  NO NO NO to the cresants and coffee and beniets..!!  accKKkKkkkkkk
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joan, yes try more water......

sheri, I know you ll have a great time in NO!!


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Good Morning All,

The second day with no coffee, only Yerba Mate. Two teabags and two cups of Yera Mate around breakfast time.

Don't miss the "up" or the taste of coffee, in fact hot cocoa was almost forgotton altogether. I applied the last coat of paint on the wall yesterday evening and with my husband's help, moved the furniture back into the room.

Maybe this will be a pattern. I feel well. Slept soundly through the night. Alert this am. The plan is to purchase some loose YM con palo to try, when I can find it.

One comment, though, off in the far recesses of my head is a mere hint of a headache, a small shadow in the corner, so to speak.

Steady as she goes.

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in the far recesses of my head is a mere hint of a headache, a small shadow in the corner, so to speak.


that could possibly be the adjusting and detox from the x coffee consumption!
hope you get your stash of yerba with 'palo'.......it might be less processed than the tea bags.


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Thank you, Lola.

You have a point about detoxing. Hopefully this is as bad as it gets if that is what it is.
I also feel motivated to find that YM with palo sooner rather than later to avoid the processing.

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One comment, though, off in the far recesses of my head is a mere hint of a headache, a small shadow in the corner, so to speak.


Chances it is the coffee detox. Lucky you only get a small shadow.

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ahaaa, yup now I recognize it, yeppers ther's the brown ones = roasted and the green one... might be that the roasted one has also toxins in coz of roasting ....hmmm until now I looked here everywhere in the normal shops and didn't found any ....have to lurk into the special ones ........
I just hate doing the shoppings .....but if it fits.... and  wüürrrgs .... so I've to ....
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there s bound to be an Argentine restaurant in the nearest city.
ask them for advice.....mate is mostly sold in these places, too.


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Hello Everyone,

Today is Day 5 with no coffee, only Yerba Mate.
And I have never once thought of the bean. Have plenty of energy, an
"energizer bunny" kind, not the bouncing-off-the-wall kind.

So continuing steady as she goes.

Thank you one and all for your encouragement and feedback on this site. I never would have gone for Yerba Mate again in a thousand years without you.

Cordially,
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enjoy!
and congratulations in being off coffee!
shows character!


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This is an interesting line of conversation on Mate.  I have wondered about the green vs the roasted, and it sounds like green is the way to go.   Right, Lola?

How about blood type?  I can't recall if it is indicated for all of us.



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I believe the one I have is green........didn t know there s a roasted kind......
I ll stay with green.


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I have never tried the green... is it better tasting that then brown?  I cannot drink the brown at all!  Dislike the take very much...

I sure would like something to help me off the coffee though. It's hard getting off of it!!! And the cravings it causes me later in the day are horrid.  
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Still coffee  free here!!! YaeaHh!!   ok, so I did slip once, but it was for  lunch.  I was in New Orleans visiting my daughter and was in Whole Foods... had  a mocha latte and a bran muffin  because I was going to be  walking around shopping and alone driving all day and that was my "everything" for the day.... had no ill effects whatsoever and it tasted great.. but I  haven't been tempted again.. especially in the moringings... I DID try having plain tea in the morning with some left over onions and olive oil and pinapple juice ( the maranaid)... it was too heavy , and my husband later gentlly told me I had dragon onion breath...  so... I really think that I will not be eating onions .. you all know how wiggy I get about the bad breath.. I never eat garlic for that reason.. I know.. I know... you all tell me onions and garlic are so good for us, but I just can't feel good about blowing bad onion/garlic breath on my friends... it's so unattractive to me when I smell it on someone else... just a personal choice..
anyway,  my husband is off of coffee too now, so that's making it easier for me  to avoid it in  the mornings...
I guess hot coco is still an option IF I feel weak.. but I really think I'm free of that total craving for coffee that I used to have... I'm so  thrilled... it really CAN be done...
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great job!


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I have never tried the green... is it better tasting that then brown?  I cannot drink the brown at all!  Dislike the take very much...

I sure would like something to help me off the coffee though. It's hard getting off of it!!! And the cravings it causes me later in the day are horrid.  


Anybody have any advice for me?
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try the green! hope it does for you, what it does for me!


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Repeating my question here . . Does anyone (Lola ? ) know if Mate is good for all blood types?

I can't find it in the lists.



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Dr D mentioned this time in Phoenix, what a potent antioxidant it is!
he didn t mention it being an avoid for any BT in particular, though.
but again, portions should be monitored......perhaps two cups a day is a reasonable standard.


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Anybody have any advice for me?


ROASTED CHICORY~ROASTED CHICORY~ROASTED CHICORY~ROASTED CHICORY

If you haven't tried Roasted Chicory Root yet, I highly suggest it.  Chicory is added to many brands of coffee to add a better flavor.  You make it in your coffee maker just like coffee.  You may have to experiment with the amount used until you get it right.  I think it tastes like coffee.  It's a Bennie for A's and O's and Neutral for the rest.  (under vegetables).  It is available from Frontier Herbs & Spices in a large foil type bag from a food co-op or HFS.  If I remember correctly it is available in organic and non-organic.

My husbad has taken it to work and had several people trying to kick the coffee habit try it and they all liked it.

If a person was unsure, they could always mix it with coffee and wean themselves from the coffee by using less coffee every few days or so.  


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Hello Everyone,

It is Day 9 and no coffee only Yerba Mate. So far so good.

Thank you, Lola, for your encouragement.

A question, Victoria and funkymuse, when you ask about green vs. brown are you refering to the color of the drink after steeping or the color of the dried leaves and stems before adding water? The dry leaves and stems I use are green in color but when water is added the liquid is brown not green. Anyway, funkymuse, have you tried adding a little agave to the drink? I find it improves the taste for me a lot.

Just found a good website for you:
  http://www.guayaki.com
It does talk about and sell both roasted and green yerba mate. So there are 2 kinds. The website has loads of information and I buy their products locally. They even sell yerba mate and mint. Does that sound good, SheriBerry?

However, at the health food store yesterday I may have purchased a no-no. It is a bag of loose green Guayaki Yerba Mate along with Ramon Nut called Java Mate!!  This Ramon Nut has naturally occuring caffeine! Oh Oh.  Now I haven't opened it and I will return it if the feedback I receive here indicates that caffeine is caffeine is caffeine wherever it comes from "naturally". This Ramon Nut has twice the caffeine of green tea but 1/3 less than coffee. It has long been used in South America and according to the PR on the package this is great stuff..."Java Mate tastes like coffee and feels like mate."
Does anybody know anything about the Ramon Nut?

Is it coffee free for us 0s or is it also caffeine free? That is the question.

Now I just read on the guayaki website that some say that Yerba Mate has caffeine in it but it does not produce the same deliterious effects as the caffeine in the coffee bean. The more knowledge the more grief!

Thank you.

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Hi jillthepilllady,

Thank you for the Roasted Chicory source. I have been looking to try that for some time. Whenever I have seen it, it is always combined with avoids. I'm off to order it.

Cordially,
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I don't think caffeine has to be avoided or Roasted Chicory Root wouldn't be a Beneficial as it does have caffeine, perhaps naturally, not added but IT'S IN THERE!  Enjoy some.  Really, it's good.

Green Tea has caffeine as well.


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That sounds really great, Margaret.. the mint..!
Well, I'm still doing fine without the coffee or half and half... I am still putting sugar and some West Soy unsweetened soy milk in my tea most mornings.. THIS is something I want to quit, as well... but I figure I'm doing well to be off of the coffee.
At one point I  was experimenting with having plain green tea and  a few spoonfuls of  raw almond butter for breakfast.. even though almonds are  neutral for O's, I got a TERRIBLE brain fog every time I did it.  I can eat raw almonds ok, so it's not that I'm allergic to them.  Tomorrow morning I'm going to experiment with some pumpkin puree.. it's creamy, so I might like it.  I know I can kick the sugar habit since I've kicked the coffee habit.. as I once said, I may have been more in love with the sweet/ creamy/ hot  part of coffee than the actual coffee itself...  I would NEVER want  black coffee...  so.. it seems my  cravings are deeper!   know  thy self, eh?    
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Hi SheriBerry,

Have you considered Agave Nector in place of the white sugar in your green tea?
It really fills the bill, so to speak. I, too, have a sweet tooth and I satisfy it mostly with cocoa
powder, hot water and agave. Or part of a 100% chocolate bar and agave.

The pumpkin puree is delicious, heated up, with a little butter and salt added . I used to include it with some of my meals. Only I discovered that I actually feel better if I don't eat the starches...like yams (sweet potatoes), winter squash and pumpkin puree.

Thank you, jillthepilllady, for reminding me that, yes, green tea does indeed have caffeine in it.
So I've decided to try the Java Mate (yerba mate and Ramon Nut) tomorrow and see how I feel.

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Hey Margaret,
Yes, I did try the agave nectar... I really liked the taste, but I was using quite a bit of it and it was getting expensive.. plus, I started gaining weight on it... so... no more of that... I tried honey again last week, but my face started breaking out..   the glycemic load must be  high for the amount I put in...so.. even though sugar isn't so great, it doesn't break my face out and I am not gaining weight.. I'm going to try to go without sugar .. I went to a great yoga session tonight.. this world famous guy,  Doug Swenson...  he was amazing.. so I'm pumped up..  bummer, though.. in his books on  nutrition he says meat is out.. I didn't try to ask him if he knew about the blood type diet...
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Hey Margaret,
... I tried honey again last week, but my face started breaking out..   the glycemic load must be  high for the amount I put in...so.. even though sugar isn't so great, it doesn't break my face out and I am not gaining weight.. I'm going to try to go without sugar ...


SherriBerri, Sorry, I haven't read all 7 pages of this thread but wondered if you tried Stevia as a sweetner?  A tiny bit goes a long way and it has a tendency to balance blood sugar levels.


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As an A I have always felt a little smug about being able to drink coffee, but I am now wondering if it is catching up on me. I had to have a gastroscopy recently whilst having something researched and the outcome was that I had an unidentified inflammation in the stomach, not any of the usual suspects that path. could identify. So I am eliminating coffee to see if my tolerance has decreased with age, despite my blood type.I had been having up to 3 cups a day, usually of processed coffee powder.
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have one cup only, instead.


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Hello BTDers,

12 days and no coffee! It's getting to be a habit with me.

I will pass on the Java Mate...the combination of Yerba Mate and Ramon Nut that "tastes like coffee and feels like mate".  On my side, those nuts can be left on the jungle floor for I did not feel well yesterday after drinking it. Of course I will give it another try to rule out other factors but it won't be right away.

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Good going, Margaret!

Regarding caffeine and O's, it is the coffee that is avoid, not the caffeine.  Green tea has caffeine and it is not avoid.  The Ramon Nut is not tested by Dr. D, so we have no way of knowing what its' effect is on the body.  It could turn out to be an avoid, so if you don't feel good with it, you're wise to eliminate it.



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http://www.teeccino.com/ramonnut1.aspx

seems to me like these guys desperately need to convince you just how good the nut is! lol


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The past couple of days, I have drunk Mate instead of green tea, just to see if I like it, and green tea stains my teeth so much I'd like a break.  I do like the tea, and I find that it seems to have less caffeine than the green tea.

The thing I was talking about with choosing either green or brown mate is the choice of raw or roasted.



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have bad news for you Victoria!
Mate stains just as much!
so keep using your bs nights when brushing!


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Darn it, Lola!  I thought I'd found a solution!  I think all the foods that are best for us are deeply pigmented.  All those rich colors are the reason, or the result, of the healthy components in the foods.  But, I don't think the mate stains quite as badly as the green tea.

And, oh, I was mistaken about the roasted mate.  The different teas we have are a choice between smoked and unsmoked.  I have been buying the unsmoked.



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Quoted from Victoria
As Lola said, moderation!  Sometimes we can have a little of something that would turn on us if we had more of it.

Well I've tried moderation before and it always ends up being a case of "just this once" which escalates. So for the moment at least while I am trying to pinpoint the cause of the inflammation I am treating coffee as the major suspect, and totally eliminating it, and after 5 days I am clear of symptoms. But it won't be proof for at least another fortnight according to my gut feeling (excuse the pun).
My son, also an A, was a coffee freak but recently found that it made his mind race alarmingly, so he has gone cold turkey. He also finds that if he uses it in moderation, such as once a day, it invariably turns around to bite him, or to use another analagy, it is like the crack in the dam wall which will always enlarge.
Jenny




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Update here:
Fell off of the wagon ONE day this weekend.  We were out of town for my son's soccer tournaments, and  we all overslept for his first game!  We had to leave the house in  five minutes flat... horrible for me because I like to linger for an hour and take my time getting up.. especially now that I don't have coffee regularly.  Anyway, we ended up in the car, stunned , and at a Starbucks...  I gave in.. had some coffee.. my eyes felt puffy soon afterwards..  it tasted fine, but not overwhelminly wonderful...On Sunday I went back to green tea and bennies... had bennies the whole weekend, otherwise!  Anyway, I think I'm doing well and making progress....
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well done!


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