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Okay! That was the kick i needed. Thanks so much.  


Hope it works for ya!! Coffee is prob the thing that some O's have the hardest time giving up. So you're not alone. Tho most are constantly looking for an acceptable coffee substitute.........that might actually taste like coffee ...........none found yet.  Have you tried the Hojicha Roasted Green Tea? Traditional Medicines makes a pretty good one. No it doesnt take like coffee    but you can steep it up to 10 minutes to get a more full bodied taste.  If you like a little sweetener and milk,  you might try a little agave nectar and soy milk.  I chose soy because unless you make your own, finding rice or almond milk w/o avoids is impossible.  




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Apparently avoiding coffee is not about the caffeine.  

It is probably more correct to say that avoiding coffee is not only about the caffeine.



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It is probably more correct to say that avoiding coffee is not only about the caffeine.


true...........I stand corrected.  



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coffee-elevates cortisol levels which promotes fat storage.
That's what finally persuaded me to give it up.


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Hey Susana!!

well, I WAS doing great...  for months... till  my whole routine changed and my life got topsy turvy..... I'm glad I was a good motivator for you, so now YOU are one for me.

I will have to just go cold turkey.. I know I can do it... tomorrow will be my day.  Coffee doesn't even TASTE as good to me as it used to.. I used to do the Cafe  DuMonde from Nawlins with heavy whipping cream and sugar.... I don't even buy the Cafe DuMonde or the whipping cream anymore... just plain coffee, well, Italian roast.... for my husband.  That is what he likes.. but it just doesn't taste as good, nor is it worth it...it really makes me feel BAD when I drink it.. I can feel my eyes get puffy and my head actually hurts... it never used to do that... it made me feel good.  I think that after being compliant for a long while,  going off intensifies the rugged feeling.  I've noticed that...
SO... I am going to  learn to get through stressful times and out of town times  ON the BTD.  I am going to say NO to doing too much.  
Thanks for  helping me through this one!
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I think that after being compliant for a long while,  going off intensifies the rugged feeling.  I've noticed that...


I have too.....makes you remember why you got off it (whatever 'it' may be ) in the first place.



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Hey Susana!!

..... I'm glad I was a good motivator for you, so now YOU are one for me.

I will have to just go cold turkey.. I know I can do it... tomorrow will be my day.  Coffee doesn't even TASTE as good to me as it used to.. I used to do the Cafe  DuMonde from Nawlins with heavy whipping cream and sugar.... I don't even buy the Cafe DuMonde or the whipping cream anymore... just plain coffee, well, Italian roast.... for my husband.  That is what he likes.. but it just doesn't taste as good, nor is it worth it...it really makes me feel BAD when I drink it.. I can feel my eyes get puffy and my head actually hurts... it never used to do that... it made me feel good.  I think that after being compliant for a long while,  going off intensifies the rugged feeling.  I've noticed that...
SO... I am going to  learn to get through stressful times and out of town times  ON the BTD.  I am going to say NO to doing too much.  
Thanks for  helping me through this one!


I hope I can meet your expectations. I am all for kicking the habit on the week end.

Perhaps it is me (I am too motivated !) but reading you now is not on the same tone you were before. That is a motivator to me. You were so peacefully bouncy before So positive, energetic.... Perhaps it is just you are just concerned on how to avoid a down fall again.

Best wishes,

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Quoted from ironwood55

It is probably more correct to say that avoiding coffee is not only about the caffeine.



Dr. D. specifies "coffee (reg.decaf)" as an avoid both on LR4YT and Aging. So I guess it is not only the caffeine.

Probably Italybound is correct and it is the process to make it decaf.

On typebase: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?5 for Secretor:
AVOID: Contains component which can modify known disease susceptibility.
So it is not just the caffeine .


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Dr. D. specifies "coffee (reg.decaf)" as an avoid both on LR4YT and Aging. So I guess it is not only the caffeine.Probably Italybound is correct and it is the process to make it decaf.


  I suspect there must be something in the 'makeup' of that dang coffee bean as well.    It would be to their benefit, for those who can drink coffee, if they drink decaf, they might call the company and see just how they do that.  



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lol...  Suzana... I just had three old ladies stay with me for 4 days.. I had to entertain them and cook for them all of that time... and just delivered two kids to college... and traveling with   the youngest to out of town soccer matches!

I'll be back to the "energetic" Sheri ..... now I'm determined  .....
and you are right.. I'm feeling  less than energetic  right now... I've had the living life sucked out of me the last few weeks... I now know that I will  hold up better if I follow the BTD INSTEAD of giving in due to  stress/ lack of compliant food and situations...

tomorrow... is another day!!
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SheriBerry, you get a purple heart for what you just went thru, lol.
Stuff I just saw mentioned, puffy, achy joints, tired, etc., oh yeah the weight gain - HMMM! - maybe the coffee I fell back into (and all the cream I put in it) has done much of this to me...
Isa, you are so good to be rid of your belove'd cafe' , good for you!! And it was so hard for you to quit, I know.
I think a lot of what we miss about coffee is the magic/zen of the ritual, a moving prayer, if you will. We just need to replace that comforting ritual with a newly relevant comforting ritual.
All that being said, I didn't have any coffee today, and am jonesing for it. I'm so disgusted - I didn't even like coffee a few years ago, I came to that taste relatively late.
Thanks for the thread, guys, I needed to read this, too, thank you all!!!!


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SherriBerry, Martha D’Adamo says this: “I would say I am 80 - 90% compliant on the program in general, and when I am feeling stressed or worn out, my compliance goes to 95%-100%.” Here: http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/31/archives/00000012.htm. I believe the term compliance here is referring to % beneficials. So in times of stress Martha eats 95%-100% beneficial.

Based on OSuzanna’s experience with her relatively new habit of coffee drinking, it is never top late lo learn (especially practice ) a new habit.

I am all for it!



PS. So SherriBerry, next time in addition to all you had lately you know, a new habit, ! But, you can make it... you'll be compliant


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woke up this morning..  JUST had my green tea, no sugar, no soy, no heavy whipping cream.. and I feel fantastic!  
you know how we have all said that after being compliant and then falling off of the wagon, we "feel" really worse?  I said that in my earlier thread on this... well, I can also say that when  being compliant, the GOOD difference is huge, as well...  I can't tell you how CLEAR I feel today..  unlike days when I have coffee..  when I do, I feel clogged, slow, puffy, thick and inflamed... it's only the first sip that seems magical... and as said above.. the ritual... I WILL tell you all to avoid the Green Tea  mix at Starbucks.. it's loaded with a ton of  non compliant soy milk and some melon syrup... it's very very sweet!!  and I might as well have had a milkshake.. lol
Thanks, Osusanna,for your purple heart nomination .....  in retrospect it really was fun, just a bit stressful... but fun...
and Susana, thanks for the tidbit from Martha.. good to know.. I have not read it yet, but  the concept sure makes sense...  thanks!  I have to  remember to plan ahead.. even pack foods when traveling... checking out restaurants ahead of time.. etc...

for all of you trying to quit coffee, don't give up...  yes, sighs.. I did slip, but since I was off of it for 4 months prior to the slip, it's not so tramatic to go back to plain tea.. in fact, it's  bliss.... I do miss the sweet taste, but the clarity is worth the trade...  keep up the good work!

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Yes!

This is the SherriBerry I am used to.

Well done for going with your will and having yout green tea. Glad to know you are feeling much better.

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Sheriberry,

YES!!  I agree!



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Also, and this is most important for women, it blocks the absorbsion of calcium.  And for O's we have a hard enough time with that.  

By the way this was a wonderful thread!!
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Day 3 for me.... I have been tired this afternoon, and I actually had time to take a little snooze.. imagine that!  I don't feel bad, just like my body needs to rest a bit, , so I gave into that.  I know I will have a few days of this, maybe even a week or two.  Yesterday when I felt this way I had no  time, so I  had some green tea.. that picked me up.  Today I'm trying to allow my body to slow down.  Even though I am not quite as energetic as I am "on coffee", I feel cleaner and less  puffy and irritated.  
I still can't figure out what to have in the mornings other than plain green tea.  I am not really hungry, so I just don't eat.  Coffee with  half and half or cream and sugar was my deal.  I don't feel like fruit or meat or greens.. so  I have just been waiting till I feel hungry and then eating   like two hours later.  Today I had eggs.... so see? it is just the ritual of the coffee that was bliss..
I still say that even though I had coffee again for two  weeks, it's  MUCH easier to go back off of it since I was off for about 4 months.. so.. all of you fighting coffee,  DON'T GIVE UP!!
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My mom is fighting coffee and has been off it for 2 days. She is an O secretor and usually pretty complient on everything except coffee. She has been addicted to it for as long as I can remember and lately she had been saying she was only drinking it on weekends but I know she had been drinking it every day. She has lots of really great green tea I ordered for her and drinks it everyday as well. But last weekend she had too many beers and coffee and got acid reflux on monday and that seems to be a catalyst for her trying to give it up. I explained that coffee increases stomach acid which is why it is good for me along with a similar isoflavonoid that is found in soy. And the beer is heavily grain based and there was probably wheat in it which is why she had gotten acid reflux. That stout is so good. I also told her to drink bubbley water which will lower stomach acid and it seems to have helped her. I will find out tonight if she didnt have coffee today and noticed a difference. I keep telling her there is a thread right now where other O's are trying to give up coffee and talking about there experiences so thanks for all your insights.
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Day 3 for me.... I have been tired this afternoon, and I actually had time to take a little snooze.. imagine that!  I don't feel bad, just like my body needs to rest a bit, , so I gave into that.  I know I will have a few days of this, maybe even a week or two.  Yesterday when I felt this way I had no  time, so I  had some green tea.. that picked me up.  Today I'm trying to allow my body to slow down.  Even though I am not quite as energetic as I am "on coffee", I feel cleaner and less  puffy and irritated.  


Perhaps your body is asking for some rest after the stressful period.

It is actually one of the issues I have with coffee. I use it to push myself and unfortunately it leads me to no good end... a cold, extra tired, or just plain craby, not to mention internal, non obvious, issues.

Without coffee I am active to my body's correct limits. I think it is much safer although I may not do as much as society... on the short run


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I don't mean to get off of the track of this thread, but what a WONDERFUL thought you've introduced to me about being even MORE compliant under times of stress.. it really really makes sense.. it's like  preparing yourself for battle.. lol
but seriously, in the past I've used coffee as a crutch when I get stressed... when in truth, it only weakens me... I now have the mindset that I want to fortify myself when I'm stressed and eat as many bennies as I can...
and just for the record, I got up this morning, looked at the coffee pot full of coffee ( for my husband) and had my green tea.... whallaa!  instant clarity... and a sense of pride... for being STRONG!!!! I can already see my skin looking clear and bright  on day 4...
I think for me it's the decision I make when I open my eyes.. as I'm walking down the stairs.. coffee or tea??  lol... so far so good... keep up the  good work, everyone...!
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Sometime in the late '80's, a friend gave me an article about coffee, which I really wish I still had a copy of.  It talked about the alkaloids in coffee and how some of them are extremely harsh and toxic to the liver and kidneys.  It said that caffeine is the least of our concerns where coffee is concerned.  The article described each of the alkaloids and the damage they do to our bodies.  That permanently changed my perspective on coffee.  While I continued to drink it (at a diminished volume) I never again had the illusion that it was a good idea.  It took the BTD to propel me away from the cuppa completely.

I have recently searched google for similar information, and there is nothing I can find that addresses these points.



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Bad for the liver and kidneys? A possibility that pushes the score further into the "Why do I do it?" catagory. Thinking back to how great I felt after starting this BTD way of nourishment. Placing great emphysis on avoiding all the usual things and seeking out sources for more of the things recommended, natually coffee was the most easily identified and actually delt with. I was looking for results, I went cold turkey. No headaches just some morning fatigue. And result were strikingly good all around. I became such a sickening advocate. Most on the forum know the feeling of a voice crying in the wilderness, shunned by familly and friends alike, their eyes glazing over as you speak to those who will not hear, let alone listen. In time I feel I learned to moderate my delivery and tone down the vehemence and then I also began to drink coffee again.....Coffee ,coffee, coffee, Get thee behind me!
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P.S. Victoria, can you recall the source for that article? How about contacting your friend for details if that's possible?


iemnli,
I do wish I could do that, but alas!  It was 20 years ago and I was living on the other side of the country.  I have no idea who gave it to me, except that it was a friend into natural foods and healthy living.  It was a photocopy out of a magazine.  That's about all my memory has saved from that event!



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