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Curious
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The berries, e.g. blueberries and cherries, are listed as beneficial and I love eating them. However, apart from a short period of time they are hideously expensive and very tired looking the rest of the year (and I can't grow them in my garden because I live in the wrong climate for berries - subtropics) . I wonder if there is the
same benefit from dried or canned ones. Curious
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I either freeze them when they are in season or buy them frozen.  We also like dried ones.  My daughter likes the blueberries right out of the freezer still frozen.
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My daughter likes the blueberries right out of the freezer still frozen.


That's how I eat them, too.  


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Alia Vo
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Yes, you can get the same benefits from the other options.

Preferably, fresh vegetables and fruits are desireable if available--then frozen, dried, then I believe, canned vegetables and fruits.

Canned foods contain polyamines.

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Thanks for that, organicmomma, Drea and Alia, I'll get lots of them when they are in season and freeze them!
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Curious, if you should wind up buying them dried, please be on the lookout for added avoids. I know.............why? Who knows.........that's just the way it sometimes is.  



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I agree with Pat (Italybound)--if you buy dried fruit, be SURE to check the ingredient list. Many dried fruits, especially cherries and berries, have added sugar.

You might consider eating seasonally. It's nice to have cherries and berries year-round, true, but it's kinda fun to eat them only when they're available fresh. Right now I've moved from cherries and blueberries to the first fresh apples and pears. In the winter I eat dried fruits like figs and currants, as well as storage fruits like apples. The variety appeals to me and makes me more aware of the changing seasons. Just a thought.


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What beneficial fruits are local to you?  Do you have periods of no fruits?

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Many dried fruits, especially cherries and berries, have added sugar.


and also added oils!!


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Good point with the dried fruits and the added things such as sugar and oil. It reminds me of a friend who gave me some cranberries (they are very expensive in Australia) which she bought in Taiwan. These cranberries were imported from the US and had sugar and sunflower-oil as additives. I also suspect that they have some colour, because they look bright red. They are still in my fridge because I don't dare to eat them.
Brighid, your point with eating seasonally is a very good one. I guess I am trying too much to eat all the beneficials whether they are in season or not.
Vicki, yes, I do have quite a few local fruits, at the moment I have (in my garden) native (Australian) rasberries, cape gooseberries and the odd papaya. I'll soon have loquats, hopefully more papaya and some pineapples. There is virtually no time without fresh local fruit.
I think I'll get some blueberries once they are in season, freeze them and have them as an occasional treat - else I might pay more emphasis on eating seasonally, Curious
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Yep our dry cranberries have canesugar and sunflower oil as well and are really expensive 20-25 us dollars pr kg....

The way I deal with that is to pour boiling water over the dry fruit and dry them again- take most of the oil away.
I´m ok with the canesugar ...
really dry fruit is not something I eat a lot- more like a sweet- / winegums...
When I make something like a fruitbar for my kid- I only use unsweeten fruit like organic unsulphured abricot, figs, raisins etc...

I keep a few bags of frozen fruit ( blueberries, raspberries and starwberries ) for smoothies and icecream- the rest of the time I think it is nice just to eat seasonal fruit.


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I found a nice bag of dried mixed berries: cherry, blue berry & cranberry, and was very excited. Very cheap and affordable too. Product of U.S.A.and I was doubly happy. Until I reached the teller and read the fine print: Contains HFC, sugar crystals, food colouring and preservatives.

I made a u turn... without the bag of berries...


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I found a nice bag of dried mixed berries: cherry, blue berry & cranberry, and was very excited. Very cheap and affordable too. Product of U.S.A.and I was doubly happy. Until I reached the teller and read the fine print: Contains HFC, sugar crystals, food colouring and preservatives.


how crazy


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That seems to be often the problem with the dried fruits - lot's of additives. I think the best is to buy them fresh and freeze them.
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I found a nice bag of dried mixed berries: cherry, blue berry & cranberry, and was very excited. Very cheap and affordable too. Product of U.S.A.and I was doubly happy. Until I reached the teller and read the fine print: Contains HFC, sugar crystals, food colouring and preservatives.I made a u turn... without the bag of berries...


Good gosh........that's hardly even fruit anymore!!!    Since they were so cheap they were prob full of pesticides as well.  



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That seems to be often the problem with the dried fruits - lot's of additives. I think the best is to buy them fresh and freeze them.


unfortunately these dont grow in the tropics. the fresh ones cost an arm & a leg! but yes, if you had access to them it would be best to freeze them.


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Good gosh........that's hardly even fruit anymore!!!    Since they were so cheap they were prob full of pesticides as well.  


Yup. Sad thing is, imported pre packaged food items from the U.S. have a very high % of HFC. If I wasnt on the BTD and didnt have access to this forum I wouldnt have known about the evils of HFC. In this part of the world HFC is a relative unknown. Sweetness is enhanced with palm sugar or sugar cane. Sugar cane acts as a preservative as well.

As an aside, I was comparing juices from the U.S. to the S.E.Asian/South African ones and I was shocked to find out that only the U.S. ones contained HFC.

Food alert continues...  


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how crazy


So many crazy things. I usually avoid going to huge supermarkets...but when I do, it's an educational trip!


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Quoted from Curious
The berries, e.g. blueberries and cherries, are listed as beneficial and I love eating them. However, apart from a short period of time they are hideously expensive and very tired looking the rest of the year (and I can't grow them in my garden because I live in the wrong climate for berries - subtropics) . I wonder if there is the
same benefit from dried or canned ones. Curious


There are "Blueberries" that will grow to near Subtropical climes - But as always you must carefully select the variety for the circumstance. Also these warm-tolerant Vaccinium spp. have to be planted with a variety of stock to get cross-pollination to set fruit. In Southern US there is Rabbiteyes and the Southern Highbush Blueberry.
As you are in Queensland - You have to get in touch with the various plant trading groups to gain stock. There have been Australian Blueberry vars that have made it to American {and European shores} for their ability to set fruit much later than the native vars.


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Thanks Schluggell, I tried growing blueberries that were supposed to be for the Queensland climate once. I ended up getting 5 or 6 blueberries and after that, both plants died. Usually my plants survive, so I thought the reason is the wrong climate. I have given up on growing blueberries after that, maybe I should give it another try.
Accidental-chef - what is HFC?
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T what is HFC?


High fructose corn syrup........avoid it at all costs........it is one of the leading causes of diabetes, among other things. It's just bad stuff!!  



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Thanks italybound!
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Thanks italybound!


ya welcome!!   Here's some info on that evil stuff - from the dadamo website, plus some other interesting things.
http://www.google.com/custom?q.....itesearch=dadamo.com



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... I ended up getting 5 or 6 blueberries and after that, both plants died. Usually my plants survive, so I thought the reason is the wrong climate...


The larger the clump& the more varieties planted the better the results - Plus I would imagine that even after you have seen fruit, that it would take several more "harvests" to get any good results.
Also Blueberries have their own feeding rquirements quite different from other normal garden plants...Regardless of your soil, you will get get better results by foliar feeding acid-loving broadleafed type plants.
I am curious to know the names of the types you planted though?



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Regardless of your soil, you will get get better results by foliar feeding acid-loving broadleafed type plants.
I am curious to know the names of the types you planted though?



I can't remember the name of the plants, it is about 5 years ago, but I bought it in a nursery which said it was specifically for the climate here in Queensland.
I never did any foliar-feeding, just watered it like any other plant.
I have two types of soil in my garden, clay and sand. I think I planted it in the clay part, which - thinking about it now - was probably not a good idea. I think I'll give it another try next autumn and I'll try the foliar-feeding.  
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Several northern highbush types have been released from Australia (Bluerose, Brigetta, Denise) and from New Zealand (Puru, Nui, Reka) Nui and Puru have exceptionally large fruit

I have ( as well as some american varieties) the variety Reka- it is the first year but it seem to be less fussy with acid soild than the others. The fruit is fine- a bit tarter than some of the american varieties- but it works nice in cakes.

I would put some acid peat in your sandy area and grow them there- Blueberries needs water and fertiliser.



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I would put some acid peat in your sandy area and grow them there- Blueberries needs water and fertiliser.



Great suggestion, thanks Henriette, will do!
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