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Harry O
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Hey everyone..... I have a question about Red Meat since i'm a type-O. Can we do o.k. on regular store red meat as its way cheaper (2.99 lb) than the grass fed type (5.99 lb) and does anyone here eat regular grocery store beef and feel they do fine on it or do most on here really believe you have to eat the grass fed as i know it has less of the omega-6's that are inflammatory

So any thoughts one way or the other would be great...

Thanks harry...
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Hi Harry!

Welcome to the Forum!

The grass fed beef is clearly superior for your health. Not only because of the vastly improved Omega 6:3 ratio, but also because the animals are leaner and healthier when grass-fed. Generally grass fed beef is hormone/antibiotic free as well.
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An intermediate step between standard and organic grass fed meat would to be to buy antibiotic and hormone free meat or organic, but not grass fed meat.

I buy grass fed from a farmer, but when I run out I buy the antibiotic and hormone free meat from the local stores until I can take a trip to the farmer again.


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If "regular" grocery store red meat is the only way you can afford to eat meat, then I still think it's better to eat some of this than to be a type O who doesn't eat any red meat.

Perhaps you can afford to make some of your meat grass-fed.  And some of your meat could be organically raised, even if not grass-fed.

That way you could keep costs down and not overload your body too much with hormones and antibiotics.  But for optimum health, grass-fed is way superior.

I personally don't buy the commercially raised meats because of the likely chemicals in the meat and the horrible conditions present in stock yards, slaughterhouses, processing plants, etc.  But occasionally if I am traveling or eating in a place with few options, I will eat commercial meat.



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harry1, wishing you a warm welcome to BTD and the forums!!!
When buying and preparing meats, especially if using commercial meats, trim as much fat (or buy as lean a cut as you can) as you can from the meat. Toxins are stored in fat, so if buying commercial fatty meats, well.....you get the picture.  



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I buy normal meat and I do just fine - admittedly I do not deal with any major health concerns either...in terms of your diet just do what you can on your budget - any step toward BTD compliance will be helpful and if you can't afford grass fed beef don't beat yourself up over it.
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I believe this decision is based on one's individual food budget.

For obvious health and nutrient factors, grass fed and organic meat is highly favored.  However, it is better to consume red meat rather than no meat at all.

In a similar analogy, CR4YT recommends that we choose fresh organic produce if it is feasable and if it is available.  But again it is also noted that it is better to eat vegetables--whether they are conventional, frozen, dried or canned than subsisting on no vegetables.

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I think that, if we're forced to eat less than grass-fed beef, it might compensate if we take some good omega-3's (as found in flax and walnut oil) and some lecithin.
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Thanks to all who answered as i appreciate it. I see so its better to get red meat even if the standard store kind than none at all....got it....

One more question if i can....what about the Iron in beef. Should i be concerned as i've read where too much in the diet for us men or women over 40 is not good. I know we can give blood but i'm sure there are those who don't/won't for whatever reasons and are they feeling fine etc..if you catch my thoughts on this. Thankyou...harry....
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Harry, BTD is balancing and anti inflammatory per se.
what you read is normally not directed toward individuality or physiology for each blood type.
I wouldn t worry too much being an O, and whatever is said of red meat.
we have enough IAP to break down whatever other bloodtypes lack, in that respect.


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One more question if i can....what about the Iron in beef. Should i be concerned as i've read where too much in the diet for us men or women over 40 is not good...


Harry, one thing you'll want to start doing is looking at things to see if the advice is "one size fits all". While there are some things that are good for everybody (like eating your veggies!   ) most general pronouncments don't take individuality into account.

O's as a group, following the BTD, will not have problems with too much iron. There may be some individuals within the group that have special issues, they will deal with those on a case-by-case basis.

Unless you know of or suspect an iron problem I would not worry about it.

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I'll take a different position on this. I think it is smart for men of all ages and post menopausal women to keep an eye on iron level. High iron levels is something that can cause serious health problems. Even Dr. D recommends in LR4YT on page 117 having your iron level checked yearly.

The type O BTD does provide plenty of iron rich foods. On the other hand, you shouldn't be eating as many iron fortified foods on the BTD as you probably would be in all the processed foods in a typical diet.

If you have high iron donating blood is the standard way of reducing your level. However, I have read that IP-6 supplementation works too.


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harry1, this is a great article Lola posted............do try to read it.  



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. Even Dr. D recommends in LR4YT on page 117 having your iron level checked yearly.


I will second that a person over 40, will usually want to have an annual physical and routine blood tests which would turn up high iron levels. Within those parameters, I see no reason to worry without reason. My mistake was assume that someone old enough to worry about these things would be getting an annual checkup/bloodwork.

Here's an interesting article that suggests most men have too much iron.

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I have read that IP-6 supplementation works too.


It may well. The same site is promoting a $25 gallbladder stone cure and says this about flushes:
The “huge” gall stones reported being passed in this so-called gall bladder flush are not stones but rather chunks of a soapy material formed in the intestines by mixing the olive oil, lemon juice, and certain Epsom salts. The combinations of the oleic acid (the major component of olive oil) and lemon juice actually produces the stones that this process is touted to expel. Actually, this “flush” is a bad idea. As these stones gould get lodged in the duct causing even more problems.


Some of the things I saw on the site were quite interesting, some controversial. The IP6 may have merit, I don't have an opinion.


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I don't know anything about that site. I just did a quick search for IP6 and iron and took the first hit.


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Harry, BTD is balancing and anti inflammatory per se.
what you read is normally not directed toward individuality or physiology for each blood type.
I wouldn t worry too much being an O, and whatever is said of red meat.
we have enough IAP to break down whatever other bloodtypes lack, in that respect.


Thanks for the info A...could you tell me what is ''IAP''. Is it an enzyme? thanks harry....

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O's as a group, following the BTD, will not have problems with too much iron. There may be some individuals within the group that have special issues, they will deal with those on a case-by-case basis.

Unless you know of or suspect an iron problem I would not worry about it.

O.K. thankyou for clearing it up about Iron overload and type o's. Ive always wondered how did type o or paleo man ate beef and not be effected by too much iron or at least what i've studied as i beleive blood letting wasn't around 10,000 years and before that....
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harry1, this is a great article Lola posted............do try to read it.  


Thanks ....as i just did.....Interesting about Copper.....
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IAP is intestinal alkaline phosphatase the acid which helps you digest your protein being an O.


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IAP is intestinal alkaline phosphatase the acid which helps you digest your protein being an O.

Right on A ....thanks......Whats your thoughts on Digestive Enzymes with our meat like proteasefor proteins or Lipase for fats as if i'm correct reading the Adamo Blood Type Diet book shows we type o's eat lots of protein and fats. Almost like an Atkins or Low Carb per se as they are simular although i see we can have Bananas and Blueberries etc...
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remember this is not exclusively a diet plan but a lifestyle plan which keeps your body at optimum level, cellular wise.
Atkins is not a health plan, but a crash diet plan, which has it s consequences.
if at first you have trouble digesting meat due to your issues then by all means, have your enzymes!
try the polyflora designed for your physiology,


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I'm glad that i found this thread. I too was wondering about the less expensive grocery store beef. I would prefer to eat the grass fed but money is an issue for me. ... our local Earth Fare has nice looking beef and they claim that it is raised on open range-lands, only vegetarian fed, no antibiotics or growth hormones...but it's expensive as heck!

I asked the butcher at my local Food Lion about their Butcher's Brand beef and i was told that it too is free of hormones and antibiotics which is good...but their beef is "grain fed". Does that mean that their meat could have wheat glutens in it?....and what about corn fed beef? Should O's stay away from that?

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