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Hello all,
I used to be registered as 'Jenny' but due to a new email address I found it necessary to start again with a new name.
I've been off the air for a few months due to a major move from Melbourne to Canberra but am now settling down. During this period I've had some medical tests which have emphasized my low calcium and iron levels, and this is despite my careful attention to high calcium and iron foods within the A type specifications.
What concerns me is that it seems to show that it is impossible to be fully covered nutritionally whilst adhering to the A diet at least in older age, without using supplements. Of course I am now using supplements but wonder about small children on the diet. For instance can a youngster be reasonably compliant on the A diet (ie no cow's milk apart from yoghurt and the very mild cheeses) and still get enough calcium for growing bones, and enough iron for blood health without eating  red meat?
Glad to report however, that after 6 years on the A type diet I have reduced sugar levels, reduced cholesterol, excellent liver, kidney, pancreas and gall bladder health, good heart and BP and so on. My thyroid (hypo) has shrivelled and shows no sign of recovery so I will be on those supplements for life.
Glad to be back in this community and I do value the excellent research and support.
Best regards, Jenny.



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Jenny, good to have you back!!   And good to hear you have made such progress on the 'diet'!!  No answers for your query tho sorry.    Tho it does interest me as I have 2 Type A g'daughters. I'm hoping someday when they get a say in what they eat, that they'll BTD too. They know about it and ask when they're w/ me if this or that is good for them.  



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can a youngster be reasonably compliant on the A diet (ie no cow's milk apart from yogurt and the very mild cheeses) and still get enough calcium for growing bones, and enough iron for blood health without eating  red meat?


BTD is very complete and balancing.
Important is to follow it well and be aware of the frequency values given.
it is physiologically right for each type.


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BTD is very complete and balancing.
Important is to follow it well and be aware of the frequency values given.
it is physiologically right for each type.

I agree with you in theory Lola, but as I have been a fanatical follower for 6 years in compliance terms and I still ended up with calcium and iron deficiencies, I don't agree in practice.
Jenny



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I agree with you in theory Lola, but as I have been a fanatical follower for 6 years in compliance terms and I still ended up with calcium and iron deficiencies, I don't agree in practice.Jenny


I completely understand your thought Jenny.........as we are all individuals, I cant see where everyone is going to get everything they need.  Especially w/ so many different health issues.  



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I agree with you in theory Lola, but as I have been a fanatical follower for 6 years in compliance terms and I still ended up with calcium and iron deficiencies, I don't agree in practice.
Jenny


There is always the individual to consider as well. If you are getting sufficient calcium and iron in the diet, yet not absobing them, it could be from something to do with your individual situation rather than from the diet.
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Oh Lloyd, great minds think alike.  



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youngster right?
that was my answer to your question......
your particular issues need to be addressed first for you to assimilate the nutrients you need.


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Going over so much of the hype regarding milk and calcium herein the usa as they say forgetabout it.  bio available from plant sources supposed to be so much better than cow milk. Yes it's there but you can't use it.
Iron now that's my favorite anecdote. Cast iron pots and pans folks! the best way to get your daily dose on earth. maybe too much for some right? Never a problem until aluminum and teflon, glass pyrex stainless enamel etc choices came around The raison connection: used to dry the grapes on iron screens that's how raisons got so much iron. no more iron screens used anywhere anymore plastic etc. not really any iron actually in dried grapes come to find out. Then there is the whole lack of minerals in agricultural soils. steady depleation worldwide less and less in all market foods dams flood control synthetic fertilizers less glacial melt from high mountains. Less soil bacteia to break down minerals around plant roots to take it up. Then there are all the leaching foods and beverages that bind blood calcium and get it out of the body: coffee, sodas oatmeal,raw spinach to name a few. Does flouride factor in here? Eat your sardines and canned salmon lots of calcium right in those little soft bones. add kelp to your diet getting the little children to eat those things now that is a hurdle.
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Acid is necessary to absorb both calcium and iron, so this could be your issue, especially considering you are type A, who produce the least stomach acid...  Also, calcium and iron interfere with the absorption of the other, so you should try to take supplements separately and also separate your foods that are high in each.  

It is more likely that your issue is due to your individual physiology rather than the type A diet as a whole since there are also lots of type As who don't have low iron or calcium.  It is hard to speculate on this board about your individual situation, so I suggest you see a BTD practitioner or a natural health practitioner.  

In the mean time, check out the Blood Building protocol and Stomch Health protocol/Intestinal Health protocol.

Also, check out the World's Healthiest Foods website to see which foods are high in iron and/or high in calcium and ensure that you are integrating these into your diet.  


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Quoted from ieatmeatnlikeit
bio available from plant sources supposed to be so much better than cow milk. Yes it's there but you can't use it.


Actually, there are many plant sources of calcium that are more easily absorbed.  Some greens (eg: spinach) are high in oxalates.  Some nuts are high in phytates, which can also impair calcium absorption.  However, there are other plant sources that do not pose this problem (eg: kale).  You can read more about this at the World's Healthiest Foods calcium page (see previous post).

Another great source is NAP's Phytocal, which uses a seaweed calcium/mineral source rather than inorganic minerals (ie: rocks).  



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calcium needs hydrochloric acid (very low in A) and vitamin D to be properly absorbed so it is a good idea to take any calcium pills on an empty stomach after you have been outside in the sun for at least 20 minutes (or with vitamin D if the calcium is inorganic)


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Hi Jennie, the calcium/iron thing is pretty confusing! I think too, that BTD will probably provide enough of each, but each person will utilize them differently. Pre-BTD, I could not give blood because my iron levels were always too low. I was eating a lot of venison and beef then, so I should have been fine but.....   Post BTD, and my iron levels are fine, with no red meat in sight!  

Also, for female "kids" the onset of puberty will change her iron levels, so I suppose girls especially should have their levels monitored. I like the solution that  "iemnli" suggested. I am going to get out my cast iron pans from the camping box! Maybe I will have to make salmon patties, and get my iron and calcium at the same time!


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thanks everyone, you all know how wonderful it is to get such support, so quickly. I'll print out the line of answers and try to do some serious integration of these ideas into my daily schedule.
Bless you all,
Jenny



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That sunshine advice is truly on point. The trend to draw conclusions from so called scientific evidence I suppose led to the somewhat well intentioned device of creating "vitamin D enhanced milk. In the meantime the risk benefit gets completely overlooked. "There, now that calcium in the milk will get absorbed"....Wrong! Determined to promote a product found to be in overabundance interested parties will cook up anything to get that market share.
Iron giggle:
I remember a "fortified" cereal product story that had to drop back it's Iron content because the cereal being rice puffy in quality could actually leap from a bowl onto a magnet!!! I thought that was so funny when I read it way back when.
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media is so misleading!!


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it is a good idea to take any calcium pills on an empty stomach after you have been outside in the sun for at least 20 minutes (or with vitamin D if the calcium is inorganic)


very important point on the inorganic thing..............and thanks for the tip on calcium intake

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Pre-BTD, I could not give blood because my iron levels were always too low. I was eating a lot of venison and beef then, so I should have been fine but.....   Post BTD, and my iron levels are fine, with no red meat in sight!  

I am going to get out my cast iron pans from the camping box! Maybe I will have to make salmon patties, and get my iron and calcium at the same time!


very interesting that your iron levels were low preBTD while eating beef and venison and now they are fine............interesting given A's shouldn't have those meats and your body was somehow disagreeing w/ you having them. Simply amazing this BTD thing.
I wonder on this cast iron pans thing.....my old NP said my mom's iron was likely so high because she has used these skillets all her life. Now when he made that remark, I seriously wondered about it (part of why he is my old NP, I disagreed w/ too many things he said and he was TOTALLY and adamantly against BTD) , but as I couldn't explain why her iron levels were so high myself, I said nothing. Any comments on that.  

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The trend to draw conclusions from so called scientific evidence I suppose led to the somewhat well intentioned device of creating "vitamin D enhanced milk. In the meantime the risk benefit gets completely overlooked. "There, now that calcium in the milk will get absorbed"....Wrong! Determined to promote a product found to be in overabundance interested parties will cook up anything to get that market share.


my new info buddy and I were talking about this the other night.........about the 'goodness' of yogurt because of acidophillus. Well................if you can have cow milk for your b/t AND the yogurt is not full of antib's and hormones AND not loaded w/ sugar AND acidophillus is the right pro-b for your b/t, then ok   but that's too many variable IMHO and the media hypes yogurt to be good for everyone.  another example of one diet fits all.  




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That cast iron cookware notion I first heard about back in the seventies. I believed it then and I believe it now. I collect cast iron pots and skillets and such perhaps for that reason. I know the iron thing is more complex than that for some folks like my late father who had too much and gave blood often to depleat the levels on doctors advice. (he didn't use cast iron cookware though)

It took me along time to develope a taste for yogurt. I used to really think it seemed like I was eating some kind of glue. The early store bought stuff probably was pretty bad that way. Eventually I had homemade here and there and would sense this "living food" thing and I suppose I still have some fondness for the stuff but tend to view it as the glue that it has returned to being for me as an O.
Hey!Even a broken clock is right twice a day. The possible exceptions remarked on with this diet that turn avoids into life savers really seems amazing to me. I don't have the concepts so clear yet but I'm working on it.
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Welcome back to the forum, Jenny.

Additional servings of leafy green vegetables for your lunch and dinner meals will help to increase calcium needs.

Increasing beneficial and/or neutral 'A' iron and calcium rich foods into your daily or weakly menus will add up in the long run by increasing both of these nutritional concerns.

Food items that may assist you: blackstrap molasses, dried figs, raw almonds, almond butter, calcium set or nigari set tofu, calcium fortified soymilk (with no avoids and probably without any added calcium carbonate since it contains more acid), NAP's PhytoCal A or ClearCal, raw or cooked broccoli, hiziki seaweed and other seaweeds, et al.

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I'm moving into an apartment with space for pots, so I will be planting as many suitable greens as possible to encourage at least daily use. Greens in the fridge tend to get lost, and go urky don't they?
Thanks again for a great discussion, and especially to Kate Whimsical for the link to the health site.
cheerio,
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Hello there, Jenny! Long time no hear.

Did I read correctly that you've moved from the splendiferous Melbourne to the Machiavellian capital of Oceania? Are you feeling alright, my dear?    
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Re: growing greens for calcium.
Jenny, Chinese broccoli aka Gai lin is an excellent source of calcium - one of the highest of all the greens. I'm suggesting it because it's so widely available here (it's difficult to find kale and collards in Australia), and also because most Chinese greens grow easily in pots in our climate.
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thanks eh, so nice to be welcomed back as I have been. Yes, I'm at the centre of all things political in Oz now, and totally loving it. It is the best place (for me) to be, a very comfortable and friendly country town to live in. My first grandson is of course the operative factor, but you'll be glad to hear that there is a food co-op here which I have joined and participate in, with organic veg etc plus many interesting 'health food' sidelines.There is also an abundance of folk and classical music outlets, and I am having a bit of a second childhood in going out every night to participate in this and that.Oh yes, I've also got another day spare so I'll go bushwalking too.
Sorry we didn't get to meet yet, but let me know if you should visit and we can share a green tea and some green lentil patties with turkey! (see,I know about your needs!)
Cheerio,
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Quoted from Jennie
...let me know if you should visit and we can share a green tea and some green lentil patties with turkey! (see,I know about your needs!)


You're on, Jen! I'll bring the obligatory plate of avoids.

Secretly, I love the idea of Canberra. I seriously considered moving to Canberra in the late nineties when I was shortlisted for a position at ANU. But my colleagues were fleeing the place in droves at the time and somehow I was left with the impression that it was a dying town. I mean, even the Prime Minister moved back to Sydney! I know that's hardly a recommendation..some would say it raised the tone of both cities...Anyway, it sounds like you are quite at home. Good on you. I hope to see you on the coast here too! That's a standing invitation, Jen.
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