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Rex
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Are BocaBergers (Soy) a good protien source for O Secretors?
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I used to eat those before BTD. If I remember correctly there are avoids in them.

Debra

P.S.  Yep...just looked it up...lots of gluten and wheat flour and other things.



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Are BocaBergers (Soy) a good protien source for O Secretors?

NO, absolutely not. The ingredients of Boca Burgers are as follows:

"Water, soy protein concentrate, wheat gluten, contains less than 2% of methylcellulose, salt, dried onions, yeast extract, sesame oil, hydrolyzed wheat protein, caramel color, natural and artificial flavor (non-meat), disodium guanylate, disodium inosinate.

First of all, wheat gluten and hydrolyzed wheat protein are major, major Type O avoids. Second of all, most of the other ingredients are avoids and also highly, highly, highly processed. Lastly, girl, you are an O secretor: have a REAL all-beef burger and thank your maker for making you an O!!! Life is good!

In sum: Boca Burgers are full of avoids and also represent everything that is anathema to the BTD, namely highly processed, "fake food" ingredients, versus the whole, natural, fresh, chi-laden joyfulness and deep nourishment that is the BTD.


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Thanks Deb & PP...I don't know what I would do without you.  Forever grateful for keeping walking the straight & narrow path of the BTD.
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Thanks Deb & PP...I don't know what I would do without you. Forever grateful for keeping walking the straight & narrow path of the BTD.

Rex, those who have been around here for any length of time know that I sound like a broken record on this, but it just is impossible to say it often enough:  when in doubt, read the ingredients label.  For example, with the Boca Burgers, it sounds like you kinda assumed they were okay for an O secretor because you knew they contained soy and soy is okay for you.  But the thing is, as the character Felix Unger once said:  "Never assume!"  Had you read the entire ingredients label, you would have seen the two wheat ingredients, among other weirdies/baddies in there and you would have had your answer.  Ingredients labels are your best friend, your best tool for compliance.  They need to be improved to include such things as whether a food is genetically modified, for example, but even as they are, they are WAY better than nothing.  Knowledge is power!

If you are unsure about the compliance of a product, look to the individual ingredients that make it up.  You can't go wrong that way.  If it contains a few minor avoids and they are low down on the list, you can decide if you want to eat the item or not based on the compliance level you are trying to achieve and also based on your personal, individual experience with the specific avoid ingredient(s).  They list ingredients in order of how much is in there, so if, for example, a product contained a "minor avoid" (and I hesitate to use that phrase, because one person's minor avoid is another person's anaphylactic shock, ya know?), like say cinnamon (I always use cinnamon as an example of a minor avoid, I don't know why *lol*), and it was the very last ingredient in a list of otherwise good, compliant, pure ingredients, then you might want to go for it.  But if it contains wheat, wheat, wheat as the first few ingredients, you will know to flee in the opposite direction.

An excellent example of the importance of reading the small print ingredients labeling is French Meadows Rice Bread.  On the front of the label it says "Rice Bread" in HUGE letters.  Now, wouldn't you naturally assume if you see rice bread in the freezer section of a HFS, by a company that produces other delicious, pure, wholesome breads that are wheat-free, that it would NOT contain wheat?  But, see, one can NEVER assume.  That particular bread contains whole wheat as something like the second or third ingredient!

The prosecution rests.  



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Thanks PP.  You would make a good lawyer.  You present your case so well...I will remember to read, read, read the ingredients before I buy.  You're great.
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Thanks PP. You would make a good lawyer. You present your case so well...I will remember to read, read, read the ingredients before I buy. You're great.

Everyone always tells me one of two things:  either a.) "You would make a great lawyer", or b.) "You would make a great comedian".

I really should have gone for the former (as my younger sister did, and my maternal grandfather--I think it is in the genes), because then I'd be rolling in MONEY, which I only too late and far too reluctantly realized is indeed what makes the world go round.  Oh well.  On the plus side, it is a very high-pressure career choice and who needs the aggro, right?





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Here's on without any major avoids for O secretors:

http://www.gardenburger.com/eat-positive/burgers/flame-grilled.php
Ingredients
Soy Protein Concentrate-Hydrated, Canola Oil, Soy Protein Isolate, Ground Flax Seed, Salt, Dried Onion, Vegetable Gum, Yeast Extract, Autolyzed Yeast Extract, Sesame Oil, Natural Flavor, Caramel Color, Spices, Calcium Lactate, Safflower Oil, Vitamins and Minerals (Niacinamide, Iron [Ferrous Sulfate], Vitamin B1 [Thiamin Mononitrate], Vitamin B6 [Pyridoxine Hydrochloride], Vitamin B2 [Riboflavin], Vitamin B12 [Cyanocobalamin]). Contains Soy.

You're probably better off finding a recipe and making your own with some more beneficials in there.  Ground flaxseeds are a good idea there.  I haven't taken a crack at it myself, but I'm sure some here have some pointers.  You could make a whole bunch at once and freeze them.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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I feel compelled to repeat: embrace O-dom* and have a REAL 100% beef burger! You don't want all those isolates and autolyzations, gums, colorings, flavorings et al. BEEF, baby: it's what's for dinner!



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Where did you find that picture!  What a scream - looks good!
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Where did you find that picture! What a scream - looks good!
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Where I find anything anymore: Google, my portal to the world! Found that baby via a Google image search, to be specific. Tried in vain to search out a pic that would be more O-friendly (no bun, no cheese, etc.) but I couldn't find one that really fit the bill perfectly, so I decided to give it up and go for the gusto **!




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My absolute rule of thumb when shopping: always, always, ALWAYS read the ingredient list. Even if you've bought a product for years and read that list a thousand times, read it again. Manufacturers change their recipes and a favored product can have avoids or suspect ingredients where before they were okay. And never buy anything without checking the ingredient list first. Processed foods are suspect from the get-go because they usually require lots of additives and highly refined ingredients to give them a longer shelf life.

Make label reading second nature--it will serve you well.

And as my twinnie Peppy T says, go for real beef--you're an O, beef is life to us! Revel in that juicy burger. Throw on some grilled onions and garlic with a side of sauteed kale. Wrap a fresh romaine lettuce leaf around that chunka cow and dig in! It's good to be an O, baby!


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