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Monica P.
Wednesday, August 8, 2007, 6:30pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi All:

I go through the "oh, I should be a vegetarian" phase every now and then because I feel bad about animal slaughter, as most of us probably do.

I have tried to become a vegetarian, but find myself starving no matter what I eat.  Nothing fills me up like a good piece of steak, chicken etc.

I am wondering though, could you be a successful Type O vegetarian or is it just too hard with the dairy, wheat avoids?
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Nope. It almost killed me!  Seriously.  I got so depressed/suicidal/anorexic.  Between the soy and the gluten...... Never again!
On the other hand, my wonderful type A hubby looked the best he's ever been! Had more energy & everything.  I've been cooking for me the last 5 years & it shows on him - big gut, low energy.  I'm trying to balance us all out now!  
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If you do a forum search you should be able to find several threads discussing the type O vegetarian issue.


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thanks for sharing ML!
lack of animal protein can truly mess up an O brain!


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Monica P.
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Quoted from ironwood55
If you do a forum search you should be able to find several threads discussing the type O vegetarian issue.


I did a search and there are a couple of good threads from experienced Type O vegetarians that found their health with the Type O diet.  

It was a good read and I feel better.   My converted vegetarian sister-in-law is in town and she didn't make me feel guilty or anything, but I started to "feel" guilty myself over being a meat eater.  Is it right, is it wrong, is it right, is it wrong .. kinda thoughts.

Oh, well .. as a Type O .. I am what I am and better start eating like one!


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I certainly don't feel guilty about eating meat. I consider vegetarianism for a type O as slow death.

My father during his retirement raised cattle. He treated them like pets. He even knew them all as individuals, but he only named a couple of them, his absolute favorites. All the rest he just called them by the ear tag number. The reason he did that is because he knew he was raising them to eventually end up on someone's dinner table so he didn't see any point in getting on a first name basis.

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I look at it this way....
raise/harvest animals with love & respect, and make their deaths as painless and untraumatic as possible....
as much as possible, waste nothing and use every part of the animal possible....
be grateful and appreciative
you are part of the circle of life  

(it doesn't hurt that every fiber of my being cries out for red meat, and feels peaceful and one-with-the-universe after a rare steak.....I also now know I'd never expect an A to feel that way, nor would I pressure them, now that I know better )


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Quoted from ironwood55
I certainly don't feel guilty about eating meat. I consider vegetarianism for a type O as slow death.

Study nature and you will understand and accept the circle of life.


I concur


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MoDon,

Beautifully put.  



Monica,

On some level, I simply have accepted that it is the dilemma of life that, in order to survive, life must devour life.  This holds true even for herbivores, which devour plant life relentlessly.  

On the bright side, it's become apparent to me that many animals actually need predation in order to keep their numbers and their quality of life in check.  Otherwise, they simply outstrip their food supplies and die of starvation, or begin to overpopulate their spaces and start becoming demented and vicious.  You see this in both gerbils and humans, who, upon reaching a certain critical mass of confined population, actually start to annihilate their own and become quite disturbed.

I don't know if this helps to ease your conscience somewhat, but I figured I'd give it a shot.

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I'd also like to add that I think a major issue with eating meat, is whether or not the killing of animals is done sadistically.  I think anytime you have to kill for purely utilitarian reasons such as is the case with food, there's always the danger of developing a sadistic relish in general.

With this in mind, I recall a great book by a social psychologist named Roy Baumeister, called Evil: Inside Human Violence and Cruelty.  It's simply one of the greatest books I've ever read, and it opened my eyes to a lot of very important things in life, such as how a conditioned sense of guilt can actually be a good thing in the right circumstances.  It can have an inoculating effect against the development of sadistic personality disorders and what-not... something that I see as having become very, very prevalant in the world today, if not actually the social, "cool" norm.  
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Monica P.
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All good thoughts and replies, thanks to all.
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Sometime back, a poster pointed out that many animals would quickly become extinct if we did not raise them for food, such as chickens and cows.  Animals such as these don't have the survival skills to make it in the wild, and where would they go to live, anyway



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I believe that if you eat meat, you should do so consciously--in other words, you know that meat doesn't come into the world as prepackaged parts in neat little plastic-wrapped trays. And even if you're not able to eat grass-fed beef or free-range chicken or turkey that was humanely slaughtered (and for me that's true at least half the time), you honor and give thanks to the animal who died so you can eat, and do your best to use all the meat and recycle the packaging.


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I pointed out to somebody once that if people stopped buying meat it wouldn't mean that farmers would continue to feed animals they couldn't sell. More likely they would sell them to whoever would still eat them as fast, and as many, as they could. With the exception of pigs and goats, few domestic animals could survive on their own.
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Monica P.
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Quoted from Brighid45
...you honor and give thanks to the animal who died so you can eat, and do your best to use all the meat and recycle the packaging.


I love that "give thanks" .. you know it's something that I don't do (hurry here, hurry there), I think I will start.
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Victoria,
brighid,
gulfcoastguy,

I very much agree with your sentiments.  At the very least, there needs to be some significant degree of consciousness and spirituality involved in the eating process... I think we need to integrate rituals of respect into our devouring of other life, so that we do not become trivial, callous creatures in general as a result of not doing things like that.
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I've tried going back to being a vegetarian, just following the O diet sans meat... doesn't work too well.  I  put a lot of nuts into the diet and I seem to gain weight.  I will say, however, that I really do not eat that much meat in general.  Look at the portion sizes Dr. D recomends.  For women it's 2 to 4 oz., which isn't very much!  I fill the rest in with veggies and a small bit of nuts.  I'm not saying that I'm still a vegetarian by any stretch, but there are days when I go without meat totally still.. some days  it just doesn't look appealing, but that's mostly for lunch.  I usually have some lean ground beef on my salad for dinner.  The one thing I've noticed is that I don't like leftover meat.  I never eat chicken or turkey, either.. and rarely fish.. it's pretty much just beef.... but very little... mostly veggies, fruits and a few nuts
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I will say, however, that as I've been incorporating the diet into my life, that I've come to realize that I can't eat as much red meat as I thought I could... I'm having to eat more greens now, or else I get a sick kind of feeling.  

There's a very delicate balance going on here in me...
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I think that if you don't need to eat meat then I could understand feeling guilty about eating it. For instance, I'm an A and I feel great off of meat. But if you feel horribly sick as a vegetarian I don't think it's a good idea to put the animals health in front of your own.  You don't need to overeat and kill more than is necessary if you feel bad but you should eat what makes you feel best.
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Occasional days off meats could be a good thing in my opinion.  It's a type of modified fast, that is cleansing in its effects, as long as a person doesn't replace the meat with a lot of starches or avoids.  Fresh fruits and vegetables, maybe some eggs, vegetable juices, pure water . . . not too shabby.

But for the long haul, if meat is hard to eat in large quantities, stick with the low end of Dr. D's recommendations.  Regular intake of moderate amounts of high quality, grass-fed, organic meats can't be beat for building health and strong immunity in type O's.



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I, on the other hand, can't seem to get enough meat.
I'm living with a B, who needs less of it, so there are days when ... well.... we're having pasta.
At least it's rice pasta.  

Afterward, I end up rooting in the fridge looking for some leftover chicken, anything....

On the days when I start out with eggs and meat (sometimes the "vile" bacon, but 'real' meat will do), then have a fish-and-salad lunch, sprinkle the afternoon with fruit, then chow down on a hefty portion of beef or lamb or turkey, or bison-burger, or whatever, then I feel marvelously content.  I can put away a 16-ounce steak and just feel like I've eaten well and sufficiently. None of that overstuffed or lethargic or omigod I can't believe I ate the whole thing.  My wife (the B) does look at me askance, when I'm smiling my way through that last four or five ounces of rib-eye or my third hefty lambchop, but then she's 60-plus pounds smaller than I am... and a B, who can thrive on all sorts of cheeses and other things that I can't. She also walks about 40 miles less per week than I do.

If I do very-much-meat two or three days in a row, then the following morning I'll awaken without pains or brain-fog, and my muscles will be full and taut without my having exercised. My joints will work like they've been oiled - which basically they have.  I'll also _feel_ like exercising.

Contrast with a carb-fest.
If it's just one day, and maybe only one or two meals, even the forbidden wheat doesn't make me feel bad. But two days in a row, or three days out of five or six, and I'm getting puffy, slower, sore, etc.

I think it's very easy to fall into the unspoken assumption that the other person (different blood type) should just eat like we do and get over themselves.  That's much easier than the constant accommodation of two different blood types in the house, only one of whom really wants to take this BTD stuff seriously.  At least my other half is a B, so we have some common ground. I can't imagine the lifelong stress for both of us if she was an A.

We've each tried the vegetarian thing, earlier in our lives (i.e., young and foolish), long before anybody had heard of the Blood Type Diet, and separately come to the conclusion that we can't thrive on it.  Life is too short not to thrive.

If type A and AB can thrive on a vegetarian eating style, more power to 'em.

But whenever anybody (blood type unknown) starts to make _political_ noises about getting everybody to stop the evil consumption of "things with faces", that's when I start looking at them as meat on the hoof.    After all, if certain people want to elevate  animals-as-beings to effectively the same status as they accord themselves, then I have no trouble seeing the process as being essentially correct, just not in the direction that they assumed, and not including me anywhere in their equation.

In other words, I have no intention of being evil until someone tars me with a wide brush. Then I start having thoughts of "If I've got the name, I might as well have the game."

Leaving politics out, I say live and let live within your own kind (i.e., human) and, outside of your own kind, deal with animals as other beings that need to be respected, but not idolized.

Kevin (who hasn't eaten a militant vegetarian in months)

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I must be a really strange type O.

I do not like meat, and it tends to make my stomach upset. Fish too. Though if I feel like having a burger or piece of fish, I'll eat it and suffer the consequences later.

I also find I feel better, more energy, when I don't eat meat or fish.
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sayyadina...if you have been veggie for awhile, or even for other reasons, you may need some enzymes to help with digesting meat....bromelain is good and there are many others, or a mixture .....to kickstart things for awhile...I had this probem when I returned to meat eating, but it resolved with these helpers and are not needed now.
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how nice to see this thread popping around again!  it was JUST what I was thinking... I've been in such a cooking rut of late... went to Barnes and Noble  the other day and was looking at the cookbooks...  made me want to go vegetarian again!!   but honestly, I think if I just take the good fresh veggie recipies  from everything and throw in a few small patties of beef, I'll be happy.   I just haven't put any excitement / effort into cooking lately , and it shows.. I want to do some things with fresh herbs and  more just really fresh flavorful things... I may supliment nuts in a lot, but I'll eat some small portions of meat.  I read my earlier post about not doing well on  a vegetarian diet... it's those nuts and olive oil that I LOVE that put the weight on me... but oh , do I LOVE them!!
breakfast still stumps me... sighs.. I still want coffee with sugar cream .. but I don't do that. anymore.... but I do miss it!
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