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morelife7
Tuesday, August 7, 2007, 8:41pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hey guys, I thought I'd see if anyone could help me get off potatoes, but that will require a very long "backstory" post - if anyone makes it to the end, I will be deeply grateful.  
Here's my situation: 20 years a vegetarian, I was a physical & emotional wreck when I found ERYT in 97 & got off wheat & began eating meat.  Still too many carbs & not enough protein, though.  In 2004 I realized I was still pretty messed up hormonally so I got tested through Dr. Schwarzbein's website: my total cortisol burden was 11, insulin was 0, triglycerides 48.  I was definitely fried! At her suggestion I got off gluten, soy, dairy totally (and then of course all the rest of the grains had to go!).  Also tested positive for a cryptosporidium infection. (I actually had one ND tell me that there was no way I could have that infection because if I did, I would be extremely sick - duh!) I've worked on my adrenals for the last 3 years and feel like I've made a lot of progress, but am not sure of the next step back to normalcy.  
ANYWAY, to cope with intestinal inflammation, for the last 18 months I've been eating only meats, eggs, mashed potatoes, and mushy broccoli - no fiber, the usual soft, bland diet for inflammatory bowel disease - which Dr. D said type o's are prone to in CRYT.  (But did I have diarrhea? no, I was only constipated, probably why that ND didn't believe me!)
But I have to have the carbs to remain hormonally balanced; at 150 g per day (that's 3 and 1/3 cups of potatoes!), spread in 5 meals,  I can sleep through the night, have the energy to function, and am emotionally calm & stable (probably the best benefit!).  Any less, and I wake up starving during the night, get weak/shaky/more fatigued/irritable/anxious.  Even last year my triglycerides were only 58.  What's an O to do?
I probably need to get my gut healed - antibiotics didn't work, herbs like wormwood/blackwalnut hulls reaaally hurt my intestines.  I"ve surfed this website & don't see where Dr. D has ever addressed a parasite protocol.  Does anyone know of one?  Or should I use a combo of the intestinal & immune protocols? Hey, is there any recommendations for O's recovering from vegetarian diets?  On this website, Tom Greenberg quoted someone as saying that vegetarian O's have the hardest time recovering, so I was just wondering if anyone had ever addressed this......
I started on Deflect (1 with 4 meals a day) and Fucus Plus (1 with breakfast), and a probiotic (not polyflora, but I intend to try next mo.) and am really doing well with it - no more constipation.  Do I just give it time?
Exercise - no aerobic; I walk & do light Pilates.  ANY aerobic and I crash the next day, depressed & exhausted. Not fun!
I"m really tired of potatoes & mushy broccoli so any help is appreciated!!!
And speaking of appreciation, I really like this forum.  It feels emotionally "safe" & people are very supportive - so thanks to all the moderators!
Kari
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substitute with sweet potato...and add more veggie variety...
there s so many beneficials you are missing on.

the potato has done great damage to your gut....


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My understanding is if you are following the BTD for your type blood you will get rid of the health problems associated with it.  I see you've been tested and are a secretor status so I assume you checked in typebase above for all beneficial O Secretor foods and are eating them,  I would also like to assume you have listed all O Secretor Foods and are avoiding all but the problem mash potatos, you mentioned.  If this is true, Than I would advise you to check portions per week and portions per day and follow it perfectly,  I think the potatoes may be a crutch or comfort food for you.  I would suggest eating beef early in the morning with greens and use your beneficial seasonings and herbs on them to vary the taste, and they will also help you, go on to your second meal and eat approximately the same type foods, or vary to a beneficial fish, chose beneficial veggies again, don't worry about making it mush at this point, just chew each bait twenty five - thirty times each and it should be masecated upon entry to the stomach, don't drink with your meals, drink half an hour before or an hour after, than go on to your supper/dinner meal, have your meat, veggies, sweet potato, or beneficial root vegetables here or as a snack before bed, yes you could cook them and mash them if desired, (No Dairy remember) maybe 1-3 times a month, after your feeling great.

Fruits are good half hour before breakfast, or two hours after, spacing meals 5 -6 hrs apart helps a lot with fitting everything in remember walnuts 1 oz a day with fruit is fine, or in veggies, or in salad, or alone.  Pumpkin seeds also very beneficial.  Remember 1 T olive oil a day or linseed oil or grape seed oil. check last two to make sure.  If you don't have the books you could buy them or check them out from the library and than decide which ones you want.  The new book will be out Dec. 20th.
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Chris
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Yes, try polyflora.  I'm amazed at how well it works and that seems to be the same impression on others at the forums.  
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Hello morelife7, nice to meet you

I would suggest using Polyflora and Deflect to help re-establish good flora and minimize damage from lectins. Some slippery elm lozenges or tea will also help your intestines heal. I'd also suggest switching over to pumpkin and beneficial root vegetables for your starches. White potatoes are a tier two avoid and (in my experience) cause a lot of inflammation and pain, as do most of the other members of the nightshade family.

To help heal your gut, how about some beef veggie soup? This is what I used to help heal myself over the course of a winter. Using homemade beef broth (or organic beef stock or broth if you are unable to make your own), add in plenty of good-quality lean red meat (cubed leftover pot roast or steak both work well here), onions, garlic, chopped cooked kale, swiss chard, spinach or collards, and any root vegetables you like--sweet potatoes, turnips, parsnips, kohlrabi, etc. You can soft-cook the vegetables first to make them easier to digest, then add some of the cooking water to the soup if you like. I sauteed the veggies in a mixture of olive oil and ghee, and the residual fat in the soup also helped with digestion. This is a great way for Os to get their bennie veggies and meat and stay hydrated. It's also good for colds and flu. And it's yummy enough to serve to company if you like.

You might also try serving mashed root vegetables with cooked or sauteed greens like kale, collards, swiss chard, spinach, etc. In the fall and winter I keep some mashed sweet potato in the fridge to heat up with greens.

Hope this helps. Welcome to the board--I look forward to your posts.  


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morelife7
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Check on the polyflora - I will definitely try that next month! It's nice to have some good reviews before you buy.
Sweet potatoes: actually, that's what I started with months ago, but figured out they were causing severe bloating & gas.  I think I might have over done them; I bought some more to try..... will let you know how it goes....
I tried thoroughly cooked swiss chard two days ago & that hurt my gut; crazy; that's what I mean by no fiber at all; no fruits, other veggies (except some pureed in chicken soup), legumes, grains, herbs.
Really guys, I don't even like potatoes!  I'm just trying to stay emotionally balanced, so yeah, I guess in a sense they are a crutch.  Fibery things = inflammation= *going mental* (feel like head-banging, obsessive/repetitive thoughts, depression, etc)
Do you think the Deflect will help over time?  Maybe I'm just not absorbing things because of all those years of lectin hell as a veggie.  
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Quoted from morelife7
Do you think the Deflect will help over time?  


Definitely Deflect, and Polyflora, too. Two really good supps.


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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I scanned this thread - didn't read every word, but maybe you need some fasting to rest your system.  If you  need to feel full or satisfy your appetite, have more olive oil.  When I don't eat carbs, I need tons of oil to feel full.
You also might just have some personal allergies to compliant foods.  We all do.
Maybe you are a nonnie - a non-secretor which is about 20% of all of us.
Sorry I didn't study all what was written.......
But stay tuned. You will learn a lot with this supportive group.
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Whoops!--saw that you are a secretor.
But keep on keepin' on. You will find answers!!


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ghee will be a great addition ....butyrate for your gut!


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Have you checked to see if you have a candida problem and therefore need the carbs to keep feeding the candida?


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What about some basmati rice, it's very mild and "cooling" in the chinese medicine sense.  That might be a better
carb than the potatoes.  Just an idea.....
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The Deflect will definitely help with healing, at least in my experience it does. Slippery elm works well too.

If you're having trouble with fiber, take it slow. Start with bone or beef broth and add in a small amount of soft-cooked pureed vegetables. Using ghee to sautee the vegetables first is a good way to get beneficial butyric acid into your system. (Ghee is very easy to make--check the ghee thread for instructions.)

Try pumpkin in place of sweet potatoes. If you're still getting bloating and gas, it might be that you're starch-sensitive.

MoDon's suggestion to test for candida is a good idea as well. Hang in there, it often takes time to get things figured out and get healing started, but you'll do it. We're here to help as well


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Can you do carrots ???
Last year I had severe problems with my bowels
- but beef broth, ghee, polyflora and very softboiled carrots pureed with with ghee was good and helped so much.
I know carrots are bennies for me- but they are still a  good soft veggie to start with especially together with ghee.


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Wow Brighid! That stew sounds yummy!!!  I've been doing homemade chicken soup, but the beneficial meats would probably be better, huh?  Sounds tastier anyway!   Great ideas.  I think I can do carrots & pumpkin.  I'm going to try them all!!!

Does anyone know if the BTD Encyclo. has a parasite protocol?
Do any of the "little books" cover adrenal issues?
And does the Arthritis one cover IBD as well?
Thanks!
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Try type O beneficial parsnips in addition to the neutral carrots.

No, the Encyclopedia does not have a parasite protocol.

No, none of the books directly or singularly cover adrenal issues, but the Fatigue book does have stress management/adrenal support supplement suggestions and other suggestion for things that may be impacting or helpful to the adrenal glands. LR4YT also has many good suggestions that would be helpful.

What is IBD?

I also suggest you look at the Intrinsa product. For more information on it you can read this article: The Inside Story on Intrinsa


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IBD is Inflammatory Bowel Disease and includes Ulcerative Colitis and Crohn's.  When I was first diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis I was told to keep away from all veggies, even pureed ones.  After I discovered the BTD, I was able to slowly incorporate them.  Morelife7, I'd try and wean myself off the potatoes.  Try instead.  Another thing that someone wrote about a long time ago on the old board specifically for IBD was actually boiling the rice with wild blueberries.  He actually said that it was the only thing he was able to eat for a while.  
Are you on any meds for the IBD?  I use Canasa suppositories and still have to take Asacol.  My white count stays high and I know that that's something of concern.
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Quoted from geminisue
 The new book will be out Dec. 20th.


Hi there:

Totally off subject, but ...

A new book?  Interesting, will it be an updated version of the Eat Right for Your Type?  Or a totally new subject? (if you know).
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The book will be titled The Genotype Diet (GTD).

If you search the forum and Dr. D's blog you will find a few discussions about the book.


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will it be an updated version of the Eat Right for Your Type?


those updates are pretty much covered in the errata pages of this site, and the LRFYT book is not as basic as the erfyt one.


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Hey MoDon, (or lola, or anyone else who might know!)
Do you know if the brewer's yeast in the polyflora O is the same as Saccharomyces boulardii?  And is it live?
I found an archived message, and apparently the label used to read s. boulardii so I was just wondering if they changed the label or the formula?
Thanks, and thanks for the tip abt the new book.  I"ll have to surf about it!
Kari
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As you can see from the current label the brewer's yeast is Saccharomyces boulardi. I have read that Saccharomyces boulardi is commonly called brewer's yeast, but really isn't what we would normally think of as brewer's yeast.

Saccharomyces boulardii is registered in Europe under the name Saccharomyces cerevisiae, though the manufacturer states that S. boulardii is not the same as brewer’s yeast (S. cerevisiae).


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Thanks, and thanks for the tip abt the new book.  I"ll have to surf about it!

Search on GTD too.

GTD = The Genotype Diet, which is the book that Dr. D has been working on. It is scheduled to be released in Dec. 2007.



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*grins sheepishly*
I've looked at the label in the online store before & somehow missed it....
The GTD book looks interesting - can't wait to see it!  Guess I'll just have to spring for the Encyclopedia for now!
Did well with some pureed peas today - the color is rather lovely......
Looking forward to trying the carrots & parsnips when I go to town....
Thanks for ya'lls input!
Kari
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Just hang in there, Kari. It took you all your years to get to this point of health; it will take time for healing to begin and keep on keepin' on, as we used to say back in high school (dating myself here! ). If you listen to that little intuitive voice deep inside, you won't go wrong.


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