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Martha Ellen
Thursday, August 2, 2007, 11:09pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi All,

I'm very new to BTD, just read an older copy (1996) of ER4YT yesterday.  I am hypothyroid (diagnosed in Jan.) and still trying to get the treatment right -- it is quite frustrating.  Since I am type O (RH-, but unsure of other typing), it is fortunate that I have followed a high protein/moderate carb diet for years now without even knowing that it was the best diet for me.  I will still need to make a few modifications after reading about BTD. I've never had particularly great digestion, but never specific problems either; however, I started taking Digest Gold about 2 months ago, and I've seen a tremendous improvement; My questions are:  (1)  I went to my local health food store yesterday and bought Bladderwrack.  However, on my bottle, it says "FUCUS SPP", not Fucus vesiculosis.  Are they the same?  (2)  I'm trying to lose 7 lbs., which is what I gained since thyroid dysfunction started -- is there a certain percentage of "beneficial foods" I should eat and a certain percentage of "neutral" foods in order to achieve the weight loss?  (3) I'll stay away from the "avoid" foods, but what is a good/safe dessert to eat occasionally and of course, in moderation?  I love ice cream/yogurt, and now I know I shouldn't eat them.  I exercise at least 5x weekly -- pilates & 4-5 mile fast walking.  I am very fit, but it is nearly impossible to get these extra lbs to go away while metabolism/thyroid is not functioning as it should.  I also take a multi-vitamin, calcium, guggul (for thyroid), vitamin E, vitamin C and flaxseed capsules.  I'm pretty dedicated to good health, and this new way of eating makes a lot of sense to me.  Any help/suggestions that y'all can offer would be greatly appreciated by this newcomer.  
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Hi Martha Ellen!

Welcome to the boards. Nice shield!

It sounds like you are starting off on the right track. Type O's often don't 'do dessert' unless it's something like a piece of fruit or some nuts. 'Course you could always bake some compliant goodies.

You should look to have as high a ratio of beneficials as possible while you are addressing health needs, at least 80% if you can work your way up to it. It will speed up the process.

The bladderwrack is probably okay but you may want to look into the NAP products for your next purchase.

Others will be along with their own comments soon enough.

Again, welcome!
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a good dessert might be a glass of port....and what a pleasurable one too.....the sugars in it are not from corn and it is wheat and dairy free.
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Don
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Was the bladderwrack in capsules or was it a tincture? The best thing would be to just list the brand, product name, and provide an Internet link if possible so that members can evaluate it.

Vitamin E is not really recommended for type O because of type Os thin blood and the thinning action of vitamin E.

When you are ready to learn more I highly recommend that you read the later book LR4YT. If you want to check any food values use the online Typebase.


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Martha Ellen
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Thanks for your replies. . .  I look forward to reading these messages often as I learn more about BTD.  I still would like to hear from someone about the Bladderwrack (Fucus SPP vs. Fucus vesiculosis.  By the way, what time zone are these messages posting?  I'm EST (Northeast Florida Coast) where it is 9:15 PM (Thursday).

Thanks again -- please give me more info!!!
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https://www.dadamo.com/napharm/gk9.htm
scroll down to fucus

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?213
I believe the spp is simply kelp

what ingredients does the Digest Gold have?

for icecream you could add frozen fruit chunks and blend!
makes great ice with no avoids!


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Martha Ellen
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Thanks MoDon,

The bladderwrack brand is Solaray Bladderwrack Fucus Spp. 580 mg. per capsule.
I've taken Vitamin E for years -- 400 iu every night -- should I really stop?
I will definitely get an updated version of ER4YT and read it.  I have reviewed foods in Typebase and find it very helpful.


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You don't want an updated version of ER4YT. You want to read LR4YT

You can tell what species the bladderwrack is in the Solaray Bladderwrack product, since spp. just means a subspecies. Therefore, you would be best with another product that for sure provides the correct species of bladderwrack, although the one you have won't hurt you.


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get the LRFYT book instead.......the ER doesn t have the secretor issue.
http://www.dadamo.com/lr4yt.html
and speaking of secretor, have you read the tutorial?
the last lesson talks about secretor status and non secretor status...
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/1.htm


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Martha Ellen
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Thanks Lola,

The ingredients in the bladderwrack says 30mg sodium, 580 bladderwrack (fucus spp) -- that's it. . .

The digest gold is a plant based enzyme product -- amylase, protease, lipase, cullulase -- no fillers, no gluten, etc. -- Made by Enzymedica (the Enzyme Experts) so it says on the bottle.  This came highy recommended by my Endocrinologist.

I'll stay away from the ice cream -- it's not like I eat it on a regular basis, just as a treat now and then.  If I follow this diet carefully, what are the consequences of cheating sometimes?   The beneficial fruit seems to be pretty limited for O.  Figs, plums or prunes will not make a delicious frozen dessert!   Would it be okay to choose from the neutral list daily or should I limit it every 3 days or so?

Thanks
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mango if you were a nonnie!!

I believe your Bladder wrack is simply kelp.....


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Martha Ellen
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Dear All,

Lots of information -- thanks so much.  I'm not sure how to process the information about the bladderwrack;  I really want to take it for the benefits of healthy thyroid function, so I want to be taking the correct one, not just one that won't hurt me.  I'll shop around for one that says fucus vesiculosis.  

I'll get the ER4YT asap.  I understand about secretor/non, but will assume that I am in the 80% until I know more info.  I get my blood tested all the time for my TSH, can I request the secretor test along with the TSH?

Thanks,
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I doubt you find a lab that know anything about doing the Lewis typing test, which is the blood test by which you can usually determine your secretor status. I say usually because if you turn out to be a Lewis double negative, like Lola, then there is no way to tell your secretor status from your Lewis type.

The secretor test that NAP sells is an at-home mail-in saliva test.

Not ER4YT. You want LR4YT.


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it is not a standard procedure test, but you can always try....who knows, you might be lucky!
normally they just look at you like you are not ok in the head!! lol
good luck!

buy the NAP fucus ves. it is top quality!
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP007
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Fucus_vesiculosis_(Bladderwrack)


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Martha Ellen
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Yes -- sorry about that.  I've already written down LR4YT!  I'll check into Secretor testing.
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bananas and pineapple......cherries.......yum
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What's nap fucus's function in the body? I mean, what's it used for?
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Martha,

My top recommendation would be NAP's "Deflect" or "Fucus Plus".  The quality is top-level and guaranteed.

Beyond that, before I started taking Deflect, I would buy Oregon Wild Harvest's "bladderwrack".  It says "fucus vesiculosis" right on the bottle.  

I very much like Oregon Wild Harvest's herbs.
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What specific problem do deflect and fucus supposed to help for?
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type of seaweed used to enhance the metabolism in type O, and modulate the immune system in types O and B. This is a hard to identify species; Dr. D’Adamo uses a trained marine botanist to identify and harvest his.

Many “kelp” and “bladder wrack” supplements are not Fucus vesiculosis, and are not as effective. Fucus blocks many lectins from attaching to type O cells.


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So Nap's deflect and fucus plus are to help with hypothyroid function? How much to take? Doesn't one need to address adrenal fatigue first? I was under the impression that hypothyroid follows from adrenal fatigue, so if one was to correct the adrenal fatigue thyroid function would pick up as a result.
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the very first thing you need to focus on is becoming totally grain free, and then work on your adrenals.
some have solved their problems going grain and dairy free, being Os.
you already have experienced the virtues of compliance before, and it worked like a charm, right?
let food be your medicine!


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Hi Diffy.  Thyroid dysfunction is not necessarily caused by adrenal gland problems.  I have hypothyroidism, and my adrenal glands are perfectly normal.   Most people I've spoken with who are hypo do not have adrenal problems.  However, since the endocrine glands work together, they can affect each other.  I am still working with an endocrinologist (since Jan.) to find the right treatment for my hypo, but I have recently started taking Fucus Plus (formulated by Dr. D'Adamo).  I take one in the am, and one at noon.  I haven't noticed a difference yet, but I've only been taking it for 2 weeks.    I started the R4YT early August.  I've cut out all grains/wheat/gluten/dairy . . . my diet is 70% beneficial foods/30% neutral/0% avoids.  To be sure about choosing the right foods, I'm sticking with fresh fruits/veggies on my lists and mostly red meat (occasionally poultry).  I'm not eating anything packaged.  I try to choose the lowest glycemic index foods on my beneficial/neutral list.  I've only messed up  a couple of days and that was in the first few days of beginning.  Since I don't know if I'm a secretor/non, I only choose the foods acceptable for both.   I have gained  6 lbs. since beginning this diet.  I had gained weight when I first became hypo, but not much, and I've always maintained a healthy weight.  My weight had stabilized for 3 months until I started this diet.   I exercise regularly, both aerobic and strength training.  I eat moderate amounts of food .. .I don't overeat.  I don't attribute this recent weight gain to hypothyroidism, I definitely attribute it to this diet.  However, I will say that in spite of the few lbs gained, I actually feel better both physically and mentally and I think it is because of not eating any wheat/gluten.  My digestion has improved.  I'll stick with this a while longer -- I'm giving it 3 months.  If I continue to gain weight, I'll probably stop following it so strictly and add dairy in moderation back to my diet, but still leave out wheat/gluten; although I'll wait a while before I decide.  I don't know what deflect is, but if it aids metabolism/thryoid function, and it's safe, I'll try it.  I'd love to hear some feedback from anyone on this diet/way of life about weight gain . . .
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have your secretor status checked first thing.


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HI Marthat Ellen, I am hypothyroid also and menopausal and Type A. I just strated this diet on Monday and while I feel better energy wise, I know I have gained wieght this week. I am going to try and limit the carbs and eat more protein and see what happens. I too, gained about 6 pounds recently from the hypothryoisdism. I take  supplements and herbs for that, but we are still working on tweeking them. I am mostly tired and gaining weight. I am also feeling very stressed and overly emotional this week. May be a result of the change in diet for me too.

Let's keep in touch as we are going through similar situations, except I am an A.
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I just sent my saliva for the secretor test.
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mindyf,
Welcome

Click on 'Member Center' at the top of this page, then on 'Avatar Settings' on the left, to select an avatar, to share your blood type with us.

Add information below your avatar setting, in the 'Profile Information' section, typing in the 'Personal Message box': (Rh+/-, secretor status; subtype A1 or A2, MN blood typing information)

Create a Signature that will appear at the bottom of every message you post.

Indicate your gender, age, and location in the 'Personal Information' section.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=ref
read the threads in the Reference Section.


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have you read the tutorial?
specially the part of As and exercise to lower cortisol levels?
try adapting the guidelines and lifestyle together with diet and notice the difference in no time!


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