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robo624
Monday, July 23, 2007, 3:24pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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After sticking to the diet for 6 months solid and following all the recommendations for lowering cholesterol, I had my self checked. I was very excited to see positive results as I have been exercising a lot and "eating right for my type."

My cholesterol was 340 and my triglycerides were 403. Both numbers absolutely through the roof to dangerous levels.

I'm very disappointed.

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I can see why you might be disappointed. Do you know what your lipid numbers were before you started the BTD?

You might want to consider getting your secretor status tested to make sure you are following the correct version of the BTD and are you Rh + or -?

Have you read the Cardiovascular Disease book? It offers a stricter version of the BTD for people with a high risk of cardiovascular disease. It has revised food lists as well as supplement recommendations.

How about posting some examples of your diet so that we can see how you were eating and if there might be some recommended changes?


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Quoted from robo624
After sticking to the diet for 6 months solid and following all the recommendations for lowering cholesterol, I had my self checked. I was very excited to see positive results as I have been exercising a lot and "eating right for my type."

My cholesterol was 340 and my triglycerides were 403. Both numbers absolutely through the roof to dangerous levels.

What a bogus diet, I'm very disappointed.


I understand that you are disappointed - but I agree with Don with his suggestions
Maybe you could have inherited high cholesterol syndrome?- that  need a different approach.


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if you want to fine tune your diet to make it work, tell us what you have been eating, we might be able to help you out, specially the happy Bs who are having great results.

try visualizing positive results in the near future, if you want to stick to this lifestyle in a much more targeted way, like following the cardio book from the health series, where you ll find lots of value changes, which perhaps you were not following to the T.

just a suggestion....


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I have just ordered the Cardiovascular book. I'm just really down because I thought I was going to see positive results. I do have a history of high cholesterol in my family but I can do nothing about that. I really don't have time to list everything I have been eating, but put it this way, I have been avoiding the avoids to a great extent and have been eating the beneficial's daily. Drinking a membrane fluidizer cocktail every morning and exercising 3-5 days a week.

I was trying to not have to take pharmaceuticals. I have a young daughter I need to be around for...
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Robo,
If you are a non-secretor and are eating as a secretor, you won't gain the results from this diet that are possible.  I can tell you that from personal experience.  I had a similiar problem to yours, though not as severe.  I was not able to change any figures until I found out my secretor status and made the appropriate changes.  And I eat NO avoids, focusing on beneficials and frequent neutrals.  It did work.



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Hey robo624...after six months of doing BTD way of life I can see how you would be disappointed with your numbers.  As mentioned above...your secretor status is a must and getting the cardiovascular book is a great step.    What type of exercising are you doing 3-5 times a week?  Are you doing some visualization exercises also?    How much sleep are you getting?  I know that sometimes it is alot to write down what you are eating, but giving us a day or so of the foods you are consuming may help us help you.  Keep us posted on your progress.

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I have just ordered the Cardiovascular book. I'm just really down because I thought I was going to see positive results. I do have a history of high cholesterol in my family but I can do nothing about that. I really don't have time to list everything I have been eating, but put it this way, I have been avoiding the avoids to a great extent and have been eating the beneficial's daily. Drinking a membrane fluidizer cocktail every morning and exercising 3-5 days a week.

I was trying to not have to take pharmaceuticals. I have a young daughter I need to be around for...


Thats great that you are not giving up you may have some extra needs to address and with the help of all the good pepole here you can do this for sure. Believe me I know.

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In terms of exercising, I am going to the gym and doing 30 minutes of cardio (jogging or bike) and then I am doing some weights (bench and push ups, leg press) and some sit ups. This usually takes me about an hour.

As for eating, I'll give it my best shot. This is a sample day...not every day.

Morning--cup of black coffee, membrane fluidizer cocktail and a bowl of brown rice cereal with Fat Free skim milk.
Lunch--sandwich, usually turkey with no tomatoes on spelt bread, although wheat occasionally. Tea or water for drink
Dinner--grilled fish (mahi mahi, salmon, redfish, snapper) OR grilled lamb OR grilled steak. I make a green salad w/ celery, green onions, bell peppers and carrots. Spelt bread and red/white wine

I don't do a lot of snacking or dessert

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Also, are you SURE of your blood type. Poor Rodney got typed wrong and was in a mess. Good ol' Rodney stuck w/ it tho, got retyped and is doing great now, right Rodney?  



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I'm so sorry to hear that your hard work, discipline and effort on the diet didn't lower your cholesterol numbers.  You mention that you have a history of high cholesterol, and sometimes genetics can't be affected much, if at all, by diet, although in many situations, it can have a profound palliative effect.

I commend you for trying your best to avoid pharmacueticals as the answer.  I know the BTD has helped many folks lower their total cholesterol, as well as improve their all-important HDL:LDL ratio and overall bloodwork numbers.  But again, sometimes a given aspect of an individual's genetic code will prove to be very strong and stubborn.  You probably have a combination of genetic factors conspiring to keep your cholesterol high, not to sound too discouraging, but just trying to help you understand that it doesn't mean the BTD is bad and it doesn't mean you have not tried your very best...it just means it didn't work in your case.

That said, even though the actual numbers may look unchanged or higher (you didn't mention what they were in the past), it is probable that your overall health has improved and been really strengthened by your adherence to the BTD.  If everything else that you CAN affect with diet has been idealized, it can only help mitigate those cholesterol numbers.

Again, I'm so sorry you didn't get the results you were hoping and working for.  I wish I could think of some suggestion for you to try, supplement-wise, before opting for pharmacueticals, but I don't know too much about it.  I've heard of everything from red yeast rice to lecithin, etc., but again, I don't know much about it.

Hopefully others can suggest more, and there are already great suggestions in this thread (secretor testing, etc.).  One note:  You might want to lose that morning cup of coffee.  Coffee can do baaaaaaaaahd things to triglyceride levels and, in turn, cholesterol levels...not to mention a bunch of other stuff (like it raisies your cortisol, a stress hormone that wrecks havoc in the bod).


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you should work on more protein and less carbs.
like they say: 'don t fear the meat but the 'wheat'!
meaning grains in general......


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P.S.  Here is a link about the connection between coffee and high cholesterol.  If you are a B nonnie, coffee would be an avoid for you:

coffee and cholesterol: http://ezinearticles.com/?Coff.....sterol&id=640903


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robo...did you ever tried the mushrooms for that? It seems that they are working wonders in such cases as well .....btw. then there might be an hereditary problem in your family ...similar to some O'types here on the forum....and perhaps when going for a good B-complex and higher intake of niacin, flushfree you will obtain the same good results...but with lesser sideeffects !!
all the best to you...and for sure to know your secretor status is more than important....
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What about red yeast rice?  Isn't that supposed to help in lowering cholesterol?  You could also try reducing the bread, even if it is spelt.
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robo...did you ever tried the mushrooms for that? It seems that they are working wonders in such cases as well .....

I am not sure which mushrooms you are referring to.
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There are some genetic tendencies (Friedrickson phenotypes) that have high cholesterol because of metabolic errors that are inborn and that are simply unchangeable through diet. Any diet.

Were the triglycerides checked while you had fasted for 12+ hours?

They seem very high for a fasting level. If they are from values taken at fasting, you are probably asking a lot from just a dietary change.

What was your LDL/HDL?

In your earlier posts you mentioned taking red rice yeast. Have you continued with that as well?


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Yes I am doing GREAT Italy thanks to you all.
my mother has high cholesterol and is in great shape, eats like a bird and for bing in her 70's is 5 ft 6 in weighs 125 or so
She still has to take meds cause of her Cholestrol.. she's not on the BTD
I had mine checked and since the BTD my numbers are down to where the need to me but before BTD I was just on the edge of to high and that bothered me since my moms problems with this.
from seeing the number of posts you have you need to be hanging out here more and ASK questions to get you on the right track. we're with you all the way
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Curious as to what your birth weight was...babies with low birth weights..less then 5 lbs...have higher risk of metabolic syndrome and higher cholesterol especially if they live in a rich society like the US where food is abundant


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dontcha mean birth weight? (lol)

and by the way a friend of mine has very high cholestrol and is super thin and exercizes and the whole bit to no avail......is heriditary....but with the Doc checking in on your thread, and Victoria on board you wil get help....

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robo...as Dr. D mentioned if it isn't realted to genetic heredity... so I'd have an eye on the  maitake,
shitake and ABM and other super beneficial (pilzli) mushrooms as a form of extract or powderform....but here  you should google them, which are those who brought also clinical prooves for their performance .....(please look under the treatments of TCM and mushrooms) for your personal concerns .....oooh I am nearly sure that it is able to get changed something on your behalf ....
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don't give up!  as a vegetarian, my cholesterol was high.. 243...

now eating  beef twice a day, mine has dropped to below 150!!! I'm amazed!

I checked mine after 3 years on the BTD.. .. so   it really does work in many cases, mine included...

no one believes I eat so much beef and have such  low cholesterol..
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Triglycerides were checked after I fasted less than 12 hours...plus I drank coffee and a MF cocktail in the morning too before getting tested.

I have not continued with the red yeast although I guess I may have too.

My HDL and my LDL is unknown at this moment because the nurse forgot to tell me. I am waiting for her to call me back.

In regards to birth weight, I was 7lbs 12 oz. at birth.
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I noted that you may be eating grains 3 meals a day. If you note the type B secretor BTD only recommends 5-9 servings of grains/starches per week, a little less if you are Rh- and a lot less if you are a non-secretor.

Eating too many grains/starches can impact your triglycerides and is a type B risk factor for cardiovascular disease.


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Okay Robo I have a somewhat similar problem except for scary low LDL,  partly inherited. As you note I am a nonsecretor with a dad who has type II diabetes. Here are some of the things that I have learned. First first a fasting cholesterol and glucose tests means absolutely nothing but water for at least 8 hours before the test. Second caffeine prompts your body to produce glucose. It perceives the caffeine as a stress indicator like flight or flight may be needed and provides fuel for the possible fight or flight. Chronic high glucose levels can play the dickens with triglyceride levels. Speaking of which what were the glucose levels at the time of testing? Third how much fat is there around your waistline? A waist size of forty inches (measured at your waist not your jean size)or more is bad for your triglycerides and glucose levels. Fourth alcohol, sugars especially corn syrup, simple starches, and dried fruits are bad for triglycerides. Fifth,  exercise, oily fish or fish oil capsules, plenty of vegetables, an ounce of walnuts a day, olive oil, and beneficial meats in recommended amounts are good for triglyceride levels. You didn't drink fake cream in sugar in that coffee did you?  Last try to bump the cardio up to 45 minutes at a time even if you have to do the weights on seperate days and consider adding a yoga class a couple of times a week. PS the results of your HDL and LDL tests are not reliable when the triglycerides are that high but the total combined cholesterol reading which includes the sum of the HDL, LDL and triglycerides is probably accurate.

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The membrane fluidizer might have messed up your readings


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The membrane fluidizer might have messed up your readings

I think it did, I will do it again with zero fluids, other than water, leading up to it.

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Speaking of which what were the glucose levels at the time of testing?
Third how much fat is there around your waistline?
You didn't drink fake cream in sugar in that coffee did you?


I do not know but it cannot be accurate, I drank juice before the test
I've got a 33-34 inch waist. I'm 5'8", 175 pounds and in pretty good shape
Coffe black always, no cream or sugar.
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Triglycerides are very labile and can rise dramatically after a meal in almost anyone. The cholesterol is high but w/o knowing the percentages it is hard to say very much about what it means risk-wise.


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was the juice diluted?


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Were the triglycerides checked while you had fasted for 12+ hours?

so when you say to fast for  12+hours, does that mean no water as well? Seems when I fasted for my glucose, I was told not to even drink water. Would anything in your stomach cause things to 'kick in' and 'change things up'?



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so when you say to fast for  12+hours, does that mean no water as well? Seems when I fasted for my glucose, I was told not to even drink water. Would anything in your stomach cause things to 'kick in' and 'change things up'?



For this purpose fasting means water only. There are some things you would not want to have water in your stomach for but it's okay standard blood tests. I have had nurses and so on give me the 'evil eye' when I told them I had water.....every doctor I have every talked to has said that water should be taken as needed.

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How do I get ready for the test? Your caregivers will tell you when to have your blood test done. Do not eat or drink anything, except water, for at least 8 hours before the test. Ask your caregivers if you should wait to take your medicines until after your blood is taken.



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Whenever I have blood tests requiring fasting, I plan ahead.  If I think I'm going to be hungry, I eat whatever I think I need to eat before 8PM.  I set a cutoff time for everything at 8PM.  I go to bed early, then get to the lab by 6 AM, if possible.  I take a bottle of water to drink after and maybe a small snack for after.  I am motivated to do this because I want my results to be accurate.


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robo-sweety here a teutonic address from a good dotoressa which is a crack with those mushrooms....
http://www.vitalpilze.de   and her private mail is: dr-ehlers@vitalpilze.de   perhaps you might use http://www.translator.com which gives the best translations in all languages, with merely no pidginings like mine .... you can refer on my recommendation: Isa Albrecht the protoscientist outta Switzerland...Zürich
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robo,

I notice that you haven't posted your secretor status.  Do you know it?  If not, I think you might be surprised by how much it could affect your cholesterol and triglyceride levels.

In general, non-secretors (nonnies) have to more seriously limit their carbohydrate intake, across the board.  It makes a difference.
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Whenever I have blood tests requiring fasting, I plan ahead. ....eat whatever I think I need to eat before 8PM.  I take a bottle of water to drink after and maybe a small snack for after.  I am motivated to do this because I want my results to be accurate.
A year or so ago I tried some of the recommended protocols in Eating Right "Cardiovascular Disease."  The book cautions you to check with your doctor before taking any supplements if you are being treated for cardiovascular disease.   Since my doctor and I disagreed about treatment (he wanted me to start taking pills permanently and he didn't believe Eating Right would help me (my tests later proved him wrong)) and I was not taking any other medications, I decided to risk using the protocols.


I too have nothing before blood testing if I'm fasting and also take something w/ me to eat immediately after blood draw.  If I can eat up until midnight, I get up at 11:30 PM and have something........w/ hypoglycemia I have to watch how long I go w/o food.  usually I cant get an appt before 7, so this seems to work for me  

re: taking supps if one has heart probs, would anyone know if L-carnitine would be ok? my dr wouldnt have a friggin clue




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gcg's post is fantastic (as usual), as are many others in this thread.

Robo, I think you are dealing with a challenging set of genetics as far as your cholesterol, so even the best, most ideal effort on your part may not be enough to avoid the need to consider a pharmaceutical approach to management, but, that said, I don't think you are there yet.

1.  Definitely, as gcg said, the coffee you drank the morning of your test when it was supposed to be fasting blood could really have skewed the results higher than your regular baseline.  Not only is coffee bad for your cholesterol numbers on a good day, but when you through in that you were fasting and THEN you drank the coffee, imho, it could really mess up your results.

2.  I know you only drink one cup of coffee per day and, for some folks of your blood type, that might be fine, but given your high cholesterol, I strongly feel you should switch to a nice, strong green tea instead.  I hear you wincing at that one, but there really are some green teas out there that are robust, rich and complex; they aren't all weak and like hot water with a hint of tea color *lol*.

3.  As Dr. D. pointed out, the ratio of HDL to LDL is important.  If your HDL is high, that is very protective and it would mean that you can take the luxury of time to try different tweakings of your nutritional approach to managing this, until you get it just right so that hopefully it will bring the total cholesterol down.  If the HDL is high enough, it almost doesn't matter how high the total cholesterol is (within reason...I mean, if the total were 800 or 1,000 or something, that would be a tad bit of a concern), although yours is high enough that you are right to try aggressively to bring it down via diet and possibly nutritional supplements, but hopefully not resorting to drugs.  My mom's total is high but her HDL is so high that I question them having her on a statin drug.  Among other things, statins lower the amount of CoQ10 in the body and she is a breast cancer survivor, so she probably needs MORE CoQ10 than your average person (CoQ10 is known to be protective against breast cancer).  In my humble opinion, statins are best avoided if your HDL level is high and your LDL is average to low.  It is also instructive to see what your VLDL (very low-density lipid) level is, if they break the results down even further like that for you.  That is the worst cholesterol type of all.  What you want is a high HDL level.  Mine is very, very high (I can't remember, but something like 85, and that is with not really eating ideally around the time of the last test), so I don't worry that my total was something like 212 or 224 or something.  My mom told me that once, years ago, her doctor almost fell over because her HDL was over 100 and he so couldn't believe it that he had her retested *lol*!  But it was right.  Yet now they have her on statins, which I think it very hard on her liver, her muscles, her CoQ10 level, etc.  She is 83 and I just really question it, although she does have high BP...so I don't know.  It isn't up to me anyway, she won't go off it unless the doctor tells her to.

In sum:  lose the coffee (sorry for the tough love--I know only too well how hard-to-impossible it is to give up your most beloved avoid!  Hopefully, coffee isn't something you are THAT wedded to.  A very fab green tea is Hojicha 100% organic roasted green, by Haiku.  I also am about to try (right after posting this!) for the first time, another variety by Haiku, called "Kukicha" twig tea, because I noticed in Dr. D.'s SWAMI sample report on a John Doe (who was an O non like me) that it was beneficial for him, so I figure, how different could this O nonnie be from that O nonnie?  Anyway, there are good green teas out there.

Also, personal question, but you don't smoke, do you?  If so, please consider quitting, smoking can really screw with your cholesterol, too.

edited to add:  if you have your HDL:LDL ratio results, compare them to the last time (pre-BTD).  I'll bet you anything that your HDL is higher and your LDL is lower, even with the coffee you drank that morning!


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You can call your doctor's office and ask them your hdl and ldl levels, they have to give them to you.
Any information you request they are bound to release to you.
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Quoted from geminisue
You can call your doctor's office and ask them your hdl and ldl levels, they have to give them to you.
Any information you request they are bound to release to you.


The doctor's way around this is to state: "They didn't test for that."

My mom had to have a test redone because the doctor didn't specifically request the LDL/HDL ratio...  More money for everyone involved...


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Doesn't cholesterol fix damaged circulatory systems? I grew up hearing Mr. Cholesterol snickering behind me whenever I had a little too much (any) butter on  toast. Where is the Cholesterol facts page for this web site? Sugar and butter now that is a problem right? I have an in law with serious Cholesterol issues I'd really like to educate myself about this topic. This thread is a great start for all of us with less than a clear grasp of the real problems faced by folks with direct concerns. I wish you great results in your next test barrage and was disheartened to see the post titled " very dissapointed"
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It's good to drink water before a blood draw because it's hard to draw blood from a dehydrated person! It plumps up your veins and makes the likelihood of being stuck multiples times slimmer.


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Quoted from zola
It's good to drink water before a blood draw because it's hard to draw blood from a dehydrated person! It plumps up your veins and makes the likelihood of being stuck multiples times slimmer.


Wow, I never thought of that! Interesting, thanks for the post!


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Where is the Cholesterol facts page for this web site? Sugar and butter now that is a problem right? I have an in law with serious Cholesterol issues I'd really like to educate myself about this topic.


there s lots to read on cholesterol on this site.
use the general search button and check all the links you get just using the word...
there s lots to learn from others...
http://www.google.com/custom?q.....itesearch=dadamo.com


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Oh, and the other thing was, when they interviewed some of these 100+ years old people, they said they ate really high-fat foods and smoked and drank and this and that, and there they were, healthy as horses.


As Walter Crinnion N.D. said at the conference... such people probably have very few SNiPs. (SNP = single nucleotide polymorhpism) which can make all the difference in overall health.  From Wikipedia in a nutshell:

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Variations in the DNA sequences of humans can affect how humans develop diseases, respond to pathogens, chemicals, drugs, etc. However, their greatest importance in biomedical research is for comparing regions of the genome between cohorts (such as with matched cohorts with and without a disease).


Also can affect how one metabolizes minerals, sensitivity to caffeine, etc.

Here's the fuller definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_nucleotide_polymorphism


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great point Kristin!
there s so many things to take into consideration, and individuality always seems to be on top.


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Well, as I said, according to the Nova Science Now episode, the thing that all these old pups had in common was their very high and very large (each molecule) HDL cholesterol.  It exerted a great protective effect on them.


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Ha. Doctors don't have to give you squat over the phone.  I called mine several years ago asking for my blood type (way pre-BTD) and they said they had no idea if I was who I said I was, that it was personal information, and they wouldn't give any info over the phone.  I had to come into the office and sign for my BT.  Good grief.


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Ribbit,

Not too long ago, Laura Branigan -- the famous singer who performed the song "Gloria" in the early 1980's -- died of a cerebral hemorrhage.

After learning about the BTD, I found her official website and emailed her publicist, asking if she happened to know Branigan's blood type.  (I was thinking she might have been an O nonnie, who are reported to have higher incidences of cerebral hemmorhage.)

The publicist emailed me back, saying that such information was private and confidential, and that she wouldn't supply it if she knew.

I failed to see the logic in protecting such an aspect of a person's health records, but I accepted the polite refusal anyhow.
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I failed to see the logic in protecting such an aspect of a person's health records, but I accepted the polite refusal anyhow.


Especially since that person was dead.



It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Those "right to privacy" laws really need to be tweaked.  Once, we had heard through word of mouth, that my step-daughter was seen on the streets during the daytime hours with an unsavory crowd when she was supposed to be attending college, to which we had paid her tuition.  When we called the college to see if she had been cutting classes (which she denied when we asked her about it) the college told us that they could not share this information with us because they could not violate her "right to privacy".  It did turn out that the rumors were correct...she was cutting classes and she flunked out of college.  If we had known about it in time we might have been able to do something about it.  So much for the "right to privacy" laws, not always a help; but in many cases a hinderance.  In your case you were just trying to get some data that might have helped you but were denied.  So frustrating.
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Alright, everybody.  Hold your breath....

I'm about to give out some very personal health information that can only be found here on this site, unless you frequent my bathroom.  Please don't sue me for "pushing" such private affairs on you the reader, as you the reader are actually choosing to be the reader....

Are you ready?  What you're about to read may shock some of you, but others of you may share my findings and be able to offer understanding and support....

Again, just so that you understand,  I am disclosing this secret known only to my immediate family, and my children only know if they've bothered to pay attention....

I have a pink--

a very pink--

a bright pink--














TOOTHBRUSH.  Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.


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Especially since that person was dead.



Doesn't matter if you are dead or alive, your privacy should still be respected.  When I die, I don't want any old Tom, Dick or Harry to be able to call up and find out my medical history.

I like it when they err on the side of privacy.

That said, I often wonder if I could track down my dad's medical records (all his doctors are probably dead or retired), would they tell me, his daughter, his blood type?  I think it is a horse of a different color if it is the children asking for health info...but in any event, I understand when they won't divulge something, personally.


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I recently met a guy who's cholesterol was through the roof, in the 600 range! He wanted to avoid meds at all costs and got onto a very-low-carb food plan. His numbers went down to below 200! All within 6 weeks! All he did was cut out the carbs. He was slim to begin with, so I would've never guessed he has high cholesterol. I learned that cholesterol has nothing to do with appearance.

You mention sandwich and bread and I think those are the culprits!

I eat no wheat, no starches, and consume tons of fats! At least two jars of almond butter a week! And my cholesterol is on the low end. Not to compare....but perhaps you can fill up with fats...if I were you I'd RUN from the bread....

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I recently met a guy who's cholesterol was through the roof, in the 600 range! He wanted to avoid meds at all costs and got onto a very-low-carb food plan. His numbers went down to below 200! All within 6 weeks! All he did was cut out the carbs. He was slim to begin with, so I would've never guessed he has high cholesterol. I learned that cholesterol has nothing to do with appearance.

You mention sandwich and bread and I think those are the culprits!

I eat no wheat, no starches, and consume tons of fats! At least two jars of almond butter a week! And my cholesterol is on the low end. Not to compare....but perhaps you can fill up with fats...if I were you I'd RUN from the bread....



Diffy, when you say carbs, do you really mean grains? I think this is a common misconception, because there are carbs in fruits and veggies, too; and those are beneficial to many.



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The guy cut out grains! I will meet him end of this week and re-ask.
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Wow:  this has really turned into a great thread!


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