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Dr. D
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The membrane fluidizer might have messed up your readings


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The membrane fluidizer might have messed up your readings

I think it did, I will do it again with zero fluids, other than water, leading up to it.

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Speaking of which what were the glucose levels at the time of testing?
Third how much fat is there around your waistline?
You didn't drink fake cream in sugar in that coffee did you?


I do not know but it cannot be accurate, I drank juice before the test
I've got a 33-34 inch waist. I'm 5'8", 175 pounds and in pretty good shape
Coffe black always, no cream or sugar.
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Triglycerides are very labile and can rise dramatically after a meal in almost anyone. The cholesterol is high but w/o knowing the percentages it is hard to say very much about what it means risk-wise.


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was the juice diluted?


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Were the triglycerides checked while you had fasted for 12+ hours?

so when you say to fast for  12+hours, does that mean no water as well? Seems when I fasted for my glucose, I was told not to even drink water. Would anything in your stomach cause things to 'kick in' and 'change things up'?



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so when you say to fast for 12+hours, does that mean no water as well? Seems when I fasted for my glucose, I was told not to even drink water. Would anything in your stomach cause things to 'kick in' and 'change things up'?



For this purpose fasting means water only. There are some things you would not want to have water in your stomach for but it's okay standard blood tests. I have had nurses and so on give me the 'evil eye' when I told them I had water.....every doctor I have every talked to has said that water should be taken as needed.

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How do I get ready for the test? Your caregivers will tell you when to have your blood test done. Do not eat or drink anything, except water, for at least 8 hours before the test. Ask your caregivers if you should wait to take your medicines until after your blood is taken.



....one reference among many.......



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Whenever I have blood tests requiring fasting, I plan ahead. If I think I'm going to be hungry, I eat whatever I think I need to eat before 8PM. I set a cutoff time for everything at 8PM. I go to bed early, then get to the lab by 6 AM, if possible. I take a bottle of water to drink after and maybe a small snack for after. I am motivated to do this because I want my results to be accurate.


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robo-sweety here a teutonic address from a good dotoressa which is a crack with those mushrooms....
http://www.vitalpilze.de   and her private mail is: dr-ehlers@vitalpilze.de   perhaps you might use http://www.translator.com which gives the best translations in all languages, with merely no pidginings like mine .... you can refer on my recommendation: Isa Albrecht the protoscientist outta Switzerland...Zrich
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robo,

I notice that you haven't posted your secretor status.  Do you know it?  If not, I think you might be surprised by how much it could affect your cholesterol and triglyceride levels.

In general, non-secretors (nonnies) have to more seriously limit their carbohydrate intake, across the board.  It makes a difference.
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Whenever I have blood tests requiring fasting, I plan ahead. ....eat whatever I think I need to eat before 8PM.  I take a bottle of water to drink after and maybe a small snack for after.  I am motivated to do this because I want my results to be accurate.
A year or so ago I tried some of the recommended protocols in Eating Right "Cardiovascular Disease."  The book cautions you to check with your doctor before taking any supplements if you are being treated for cardiovascular disease.   Since my doctor and I disagreed about treatment (he wanted me to start taking pills permanently and he didn't believe Eating Right would help me (my tests later proved him wrong)) and I was not taking any other medications, I decided to risk using the protocols.


I too have nothing before blood testing if I'm fasting and also take something w/ me to eat immediately after blood draw.  If I can eat up until midnight, I get up at 11:30 PM and have something........w/ hypoglycemia I have to watch how long I go w/o food.  usually I cant get an appt before 7, so this seems to work for me  

re: taking supps if one has heart probs, would anyone know if L-carnitine would be ok? my dr wouldnt have a friggin clue




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gcg's post is fantastic (as usual), as are many others in this thread.

Robo, I think you are dealing with a challenging set of genetics as far as your cholesterol, so even the best, most ideal effort on your part may not be enough to avoid the need to consider a pharmaceutical approach to management, but, that said, I don't think you are there yet.

1. Definitely, as gcg said, the coffee you drank the morning of your test when it was supposed to be fasting blood could really have skewed the results higher than your regular baseline. Not only is coffee bad for your cholesterol numbers on a good day, but when you through in that you were fasting and THEN you drank the coffee, imho, it could really mess up your results.

2. I know you only drink one cup of coffee per day and, for some folks of your blood type, that might be fine, but given your high cholesterol, I strongly feel you should switch to a nice, strong green tea instead. I hear you wincing at that one, but there really are some green teas out there that are robust, rich and complex; they aren't all weak and like hot water with a hint of tea color *lol*.

3. As Dr. D. pointed out, the ratio of HDL to LDL is important. If your HDL is high, that is very protective and it would mean that you can take the luxury of time to try different tweakings of your nutritional approach to managing this, until you get it just right so that hopefully it will bring the total cholesterol down. If the HDL is high enough, it almost doesn't matter how high the total cholesterol is (within reason...I mean, if the total were 800 or 1,000 or something, that would be a tad bit of a concern), although yours is high enough that you are right to try aggressively to bring it down via diet and possibly nutritional supplements, but hopefully not resorting to drugs. My mom's total is high but her HDL is so high that I question them having her on a statin drug. Among other things, statins lower the amount of CoQ10 in the body and she is a breast cancer survivor, so she probably needs MORE CoQ10 than your average person (CoQ10 is known to be protective against breast cancer). In my humble opinion, statins are best avoided if your HDL level is high and your LDL is average to low. It is also instructive to see what your VLDL (very low-density lipid) level is, if they break the results down even further like that for you. That is the worst cholesterol type of all. What you want is a high HDL level. Mine is very, very high (I can't remember, but something like 85, and that is with not really eating ideally around the time of the last test), so I don't worry that my total was something like 212 or 224 or something. My mom told me that once, years ago, her doctor almost fell over because her HDL was over 100 and he so couldn't believe it that he had her retested *lol*! But it was right. Yet now they have her on statins, which I think it very hard on her liver, her muscles, her CoQ10 level, etc. She is 83 and I just really question it, although she does have high BP...so I don't know. It isn't up to me anyway, she won't go off it unless the doctor tells her to.

In sum: lose the coffee (sorry for the tough love--I know only too well how hard-to-impossible it is to give up your most beloved avoid! Hopefully, coffee isn't something you are THAT wedded to. A very fab green tea is Hojicha 100% organic roasted green, by Haiku. I also am about to try (right after posting this!) for the first time, another variety by Haiku, called "Kukicha" twig tea, because I noticed in Dr. D.'s SWAMI sample report on a John Doe (who was an O non like me) that it was beneficial for him, so I figure, how different could this O nonnie be from that O nonnie? Anyway, there are good green teas out there.

Also, personal question, but you don't smoke, do you? If so, please consider quitting, smoking can really screw with your cholesterol, too.

edited to add:  if you have your HDL:LDL ratio results, compare them to the last time (pre-BTD).  I'll bet you anything that your HDL is higher and your LDL is lower, even with the coffee you drank that morning!


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You can call your doctor's office and ask them your hdl and ldl levels, they have to give them to you.
Any information you request they are bound to release to you.
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You can call your doctor's office and ask them your hdl and ldl levels, they have to give them to you.
Any information you request they are bound to release to you.


The doctor's way around this is to state: "They didn't test for that."

My mom had to have a test redone because the doctor didn't specifically request the LDL/HDL ratio...  More money for everyone involved...


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Doesn't cholesterol fix damaged circulatory systems? I grew up hearing Mr. Cholesterol snickering behind me whenever I had a little too much (any) butter on  toast. Where is the Cholesterol facts page for this web site? Sugar and butter now that is a problem right? I have an in law with serious Cholesterol issues I'd really like to educate myself about this topic. This thread is a great start for all of us with less than a clear grasp of the real problems faced by folks with direct concerns. I wish you great results in your next test barrage and was disheartened to see the post titled " very dissapointed"
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It's good to drink water before a blood draw because it's hard to draw blood from a dehydrated person! It plumps up your veins and makes the likelihood of being stuck multiples times slimmer.


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It's good to drink water before a blood draw because it's hard to draw blood from a dehydrated person! It plumps up your veins and makes the likelihood of being stuck multiples times slimmer.


Wow, I never thought of that! Interesting, thanks for the post!


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Where is the Cholesterol facts page for this web site? Sugar and butter now that is a problem right? I have an in law with serious Cholesterol issues I'd really like to educate myself about this topic.


there s lots to read on cholesterol on this site.
use the general search button and check all the links you get just using the word...
there s lots to learn from others...
http://www.google.com/custom?q.....itesearch=dadamo.com


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Oh, and the other thing was, when they interviewed some of these 100+ years old people, they said they ate really high-fat foods and smoked and drank and this and that, and there they were, healthy as horses.


As Walter Crinnion N.D. said at the conference... such people probably have very few SNiPs. (SNP = single nucleotide polymorhpism) which can make all the difference in overall health.  From Wikipedia in a nutshell:

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Variations in the DNA sequences of humans can affect how humans develop diseases, respond to pathogens, chemicals, drugs, etc. However, their greatest importance in biomedical research is for comparing regions of the genome between cohorts (such as with matched cohorts with and without a disease).


Also can affect how one metabolizes minerals, sensitivity to caffeine, etc.

Here's the fuller definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_nucleotide_polymorphism


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great point Kristin!
there s so many things to take into consideration, and individuality always seems to be on top.


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Well, as I said, according to the Nova Science Now episode, the thing that all these old pups had in common was their very high and very large (each molecule) HDL cholesterol. It exerted a great protective effect on them.


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Ha. Doctors don't have to give you squat over the phone.  I called mine several years ago asking for my blood type (way pre-BTD) and they said they had no idea if I was who I said I was, that it was personal information, and they wouldn't give any info over the phone.  I had to come into the office and sign for my BT.  Good grief.


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Ribbit,

Not too long ago, Laura Branigan -- the famous singer who performed the song "Gloria" in the early 1980's -- died of a cerebral hemorrhage.

After learning about the BTD, I found her official website and emailed her publicist, asking if she happened to know Branigan's blood type.  (I was thinking she might have been an O nonnie, who are reported to have higher incidences of cerebral hemmorhage.)

The publicist emailed me back, saying that such information was private and confidential, and that she wouldn't supply it if she knew.

I failed to see the logic in protecting such an aspect of a person's health records, but I accepted the polite refusal anyhow.
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I failed to see the logic in protecting such an aspect of a person's health records, but I accepted the polite refusal anyhow.


Especially since that person was dead.



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Those "right to privacy" laws really need to be tweaked.  Once, we had heard through word of mouth, that my step-daughter was seen on the streets during the daytime hours with an unsavory crowd when she was supposed to be attending college, to which we had paid her tuition.  When we called the college to see if she had been cutting classes (which she denied when we asked her about it) the college told us that they could not share this information with us because they could not violate her "right to privacy".  It did turn out that the rumors were correct...she was cutting classes and she flunked out of college.  If we had known about it in time we might have been able to do something about it.  So much for the "right to privacy" laws, not always a help; but in many cases a hinderance.  In your case you were just trying to get some data that might have helped you but were denied.  So frustrating.
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