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robo624
Monday, July 23, 2007, 3:24pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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After sticking to the diet for 6 months solid and following all the recommendations for lowering cholesterol, I had my self checked. I was very excited to see positive results as I have been exercising a lot and "eating right for my type."

My cholesterol was 340 and my triglycerides were 403. Both numbers absolutely through the roof to dangerous levels.

I'm very disappointed.

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I can see why you might be disappointed. Do you know what your lipid numbers were before you started the BTD?

You might want to consider getting your secretor status tested to make sure you are following the correct version of the BTD and are you Rh + or -?

Have you read the Cardiovascular Disease book? It offers a stricter version of the BTD for people with a high risk of cardiovascular disease. It has revised food lists as well as supplement recommendations.

How about posting some examples of your diet so that we can see how you were eating and if there might be some recommended changes?


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Quoted from robo624
After sticking to the diet for 6 months solid and following all the recommendations for lowering cholesterol, I had my self checked. I was very excited to see positive results as I have been exercising a lot and "eating right for my type."

My cholesterol was 340 and my triglycerides were 403. Both numbers absolutely through the roof to dangerous levels.

What a bogus diet, I'm very disappointed.


I understand that you are disappointed - but I agree with Don with his suggestions
Maybe you could have inherited high cholesterol syndrome?- that  need a different approach.


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if you want to fine tune your diet to make it work, tell us what you have been eating, we might be able to help you out, specially the happy Bs who are having great results.

try visualizing positive results in the near future, if you want to stick to this lifestyle in a much more targeted way, like following the cardio book from the health series, where you ll find lots of value changes, which perhaps you were not following to the T.

just a suggestion....


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I have just ordered the Cardiovascular book. I'm just really down because I thought I was going to see positive results. I do have a history of high cholesterol in my family but I can do nothing about that. I really don't have time to list everything I have been eating, but put it this way, I have been avoiding the avoids to a great extent and have been eating the beneficial's daily. Drinking a membrane fluidizer cocktail every morning and exercising 3-5 days a week.

I was trying to not have to take pharmaceuticals. I have a young daughter I need to be around for...
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Robo,
If you are a non-secretor and are eating as a secretor, you won't gain the results from this diet that are possible.  I can tell you that from personal experience.  I had a similiar problem to yours, though not as severe.  I was not able to change any figures until I found out my secretor status and made the appropriate changes.  And I eat NO avoids, focusing on beneficials and frequent neutrals.  It did work.



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Hey robo624...after six months of doing BTD way of life I can see how you would be disappointed with your numbers.  As mentioned above...your secretor status is a must and getting the cardiovascular book is a great step.    What type of exercising are you doing 3-5 times a week?  Are you doing some visualization exercises also?    How much sleep are you getting?  I know that sometimes it is alot to write down what you are eating, but giving us a day or so of the foods you are consuming may help us help you.  Keep us posted on your progress.

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I have just ordered the Cardiovascular book. I'm just really down because I thought I was going to see positive results. I do have a history of high cholesterol in my family but I can do nothing about that. I really don't have time to list everything I have been eating, but put it this way, I have been avoiding the avoids to a great extent and have been eating the beneficial's daily. Drinking a membrane fluidizer cocktail every morning and exercising 3-5 days a week.

I was trying to not have to take pharmaceuticals. I have a young daughter I need to be around for...


Thats great that you are not giving up you may have some extra needs to address and with the help of all the good pepole here you can do this for sure. Believe me I know.

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In terms of exercising, I am going to the gym and doing 30 minutes of cardio (jogging or bike) and then I am doing some weights (bench and push ups, leg press) and some sit ups. This usually takes me about an hour.

As for eating, I'll give it my best shot. This is a sample day...not every day.

Morning--cup of black coffee, membrane fluidizer cocktail and a bowl of brown rice cereal with Fat Free skim milk.
Lunch--sandwich, usually turkey with no tomatoes on spelt bread, although wheat occasionally. Tea or water for drink
Dinner--grilled fish (mahi mahi, salmon, redfish, snapper) OR grilled lamb OR grilled steak. I make a green salad w/ celery, green onions, bell peppers and carrots. Spelt bread and red/white wine

I don't do a lot of snacking or dessert

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Also, are you SURE of your blood type. Poor Rodney got typed wrong and was in a mess. Good ol' Rodney stuck w/ it tho, got retyped and is doing great now, right Rodney?  



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I'm so sorry to hear that your hard work, discipline and effort on the diet didn't lower your cholesterol numbers.  You mention that you have a history of high cholesterol, and sometimes genetics can't be affected much, if at all, by diet, although in many situations, it can have a profound palliative effect.

I commend you for trying your best to avoid pharmacueticals as the answer.  I know the BTD has helped many folks lower their total cholesterol, as well as improve their all-important HDL:LDL ratio and overall bloodwork numbers.  But again, sometimes a given aspect of an individual's genetic code will prove to be very strong and stubborn.  You probably have a combination of genetic factors conspiring to keep your cholesterol high, not to sound too discouraging, but just trying to help you understand that it doesn't mean the BTD is bad and it doesn't mean you have not tried your very best...it just means it didn't work in your case.

That said, even though the actual numbers may look unchanged or higher (you didn't mention what they were in the past), it is probable that your overall health has improved and been really strengthened by your adherence to the BTD.  If everything else that you CAN affect with diet has been idealized, it can only help mitigate those cholesterol numbers.

Again, I'm so sorry you didn't get the results you were hoping and working for.  I wish I could think of some suggestion for you to try, supplement-wise, before opting for pharmacueticals, but I don't know too much about it.  I've heard of everything from red yeast rice to lecithin, etc., but again, I don't know much about it.

Hopefully others can suggest more, and there are already great suggestions in this thread (secretor testing, etc.).  One note:  You might want to lose that morning cup of coffee.  Coffee can do baaaaaaaaahd things to triglyceride levels and, in turn, cholesterol levels...not to mention a bunch of other stuff (like it raisies your cortisol, a stress hormone that wrecks havoc in the bod).


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you should work on more protein and less carbs.
like they say: 'don t fear the meat but the 'wheat'!
meaning grains in general......


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P.S.  Here is a link about the connection between coffee and high cholesterol.  If you are a B nonnie, coffee would be an avoid for you:

coffee and cholesterol: http://ezinearticles.com/?Coff.....sterol&id=640903


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robo...did you ever tried the mushrooms for that? It seems that they are working wonders in such cases as well .....btw. then there might be an hereditary problem in your family ...similar to some O'types here on the forum....and perhaps when going for a good B-complex and higher intake of niacin, flushfree you will obtain the same good results...but with lesser sideeffects !!
all the best to you...and for sure to know your secretor status is more than important....
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What about red yeast rice?  Isn't that supposed to help in lowering cholesterol?  You could also try reducing the bread, even if it is spelt.
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robo...did you ever tried the mushrooms for that? It seems that they are working wonders in such cases as well .....

I am not sure which mushrooms you are referring to.
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There are some genetic tendencies (Friedrickson phenotypes) that have high cholesterol because of metabolic errors that are inborn and that are simply unchangeable through diet. Any diet.

Were the triglycerides checked while you had fasted for 12+ hours?

They seem very high for a fasting level. If they are from values taken at fasting, you are probably asking a lot from just a dietary change.

What was your LDL/HDL?

In your earlier posts you mentioned taking red rice yeast. Have you continued with that as well?


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Yes I am doing GREAT Italy thanks to you all.
my mother has high cholesterol and is in great shape, eats like a bird and for bing in her 70's is 5 ft 6 in weighs 125 or so
She still has to take meds cause of her Cholestrol.. she's not on the BTD
I had mine checked and since the BTD my numbers are down to where the need to me but before BTD I was just on the edge of to high and that bothered me since my moms problems with this.
from seeing the number of posts you have you need to be hanging out here more and ASK questions to get you on the right track. we're with you all the way
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Curious as to what your birth weight was...babies with low birth weights..less then 5 lbs...have higher risk of metabolic syndrome and higher cholesterol especially if they live in a rich society like the US where food is abundant


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dontcha mean birth weight? (lol)

and by the way a friend of mine has very high cholestrol and is super thin and exercizes and the whole bit to no avail......is heriditary....but with the Doc checking in on your thread, and Victoria on board you wil get help....

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robo...as Dr. D mentioned if it isn't realted to genetic heredity... so I'd have an eye on the  maitake,
shitake and ABM and other super beneficial (pilzli) mushrooms as a form of extract or powderform....but here  you should google them, which are those who brought also clinical prooves for their performance .....(please look under the treatments of TCM and mushrooms) for your personal concerns .....oooh I am nearly sure that it is able to get changed something on your behalf ....
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don't give up!  as a vegetarian, my cholesterol was high.. 243...

now eating  beef twice a day, mine has dropped to below 150!!! I'm amazed!

I checked mine after 3 years on the BTD.. .. so   it really does work in many cases, mine included...

no one believes I eat so much beef and have such  low cholesterol..
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Triglycerides were checked after I fasted less than 12 hours...plus I drank coffee and a MF cocktail in the morning too before getting tested.

I have not continued with the red yeast although I guess I may have too.

My HDL and my LDL is unknown at this moment because the nurse forgot to tell me. I am waiting for her to call me back.

In regards to birth weight, I was 7lbs 12 oz. at birth.
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I noted that you may be eating grains 3 meals a day. If you note the type B secretor BTD only recommends 5-9 servings of grains/starches per week, a little less if you are Rh- and a lot less if you are a non-secretor.

Eating too many grains/starches can impact your triglycerides and is a type B risk factor for cardiovascular disease.


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Okay Robo I have a somewhat similar problem except for scary low LDL,  partly inherited. As you note I am a nonsecretor with a dad who has type II diabetes. Here are some of the things that I have learned. First first a fasting cholesterol and glucose tests means absolutely nothing but water for at least 8 hours before the test. Second caffeine prompts your body to produce glucose. It perceives the caffeine as a stress indicator like flight or flight may be needed and provides fuel for the possible fight or flight. Chronic high glucose levels can play the dickens with triglyceride levels. Speaking of which what were the glucose levels at the time of testing? Third how much fat is there around your waistline? A waist size of forty inches (measured at your waist not your jean size)or more is bad for your triglycerides and glucose levels. Fourth alcohol, sugars especially corn syrup, simple starches, and dried fruits are bad for triglycerides. Fifth,  exercise, oily fish or fish oil capsules, plenty of vegetables, an ounce of walnuts a day, olive oil, and beneficial meats in recommended amounts are good for triglyceride levels. You didn't drink fake cream in sugar in that coffee did you?  Last try to bump the cardio up to 45 minutes at a time even if you have to do the weights on seperate days and consider adding a yoga class a couple of times a week. PS the results of your HDL and LDL tests are not reliable when the triglycerides are that high but the total combined cholesterol reading which includes the sum of the HDL, LDL and triglycerides is probably accurate.

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