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italybound
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Quoted from dragonsgold5
I've just never heard to eat carbs at night!  Always the opposite.    I don't like to eat too many carbs at night because I thought because your digestion slows to a crawl overnight, carbs are more quickly converted to fat....and I want to maintain my weight, not gain.  Also in the past when I would overindulge in the carbs (which was frequently, and quite stupid), it would make me jittery and wakeful, not tired and sleepy.  But maybe that's because I was overshooting the sugars by quite a bit.    


Good carbs like sweet potatoes w/ some good fat like ghee, will help to make you sleepy and will slow down the absorption rate of the sugars in the sweet potato, plus the fiber will also help.
Were the carbs that made you jittery and wakeful, simple (or empty) or complex carbs?
Maybe my NP suggested protein for me at night as my blood sugar was a little high in the mornings. This is another area where individuality plays a role.  As MoDon suggests, knowing your secretor status will really help.
BTW, thanks for starting this thread, much needed review info for me here.  
Geminisue, thanks for clarifying the oz/gram thing on the protein. Whew!!!  Now it all makes sense    And thanks for the other helpful info as well.  




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Be careful about using simple rules of thumb to figure out how you should eat. The BTD gives you much more individualized recommendations.

I do check the BTD books regularly and find that helps me to refine my eating habits,  which I hope means I will stay healthy.  And within a healthy weight range.  I consider the BTD to be of primary importance in my life and I strive to follow the best recommendations in the books.  Ideally I would go to a BTD practitioner in my area but when I first joined this site and checked for one, there isn't anyone close enough - yet.  I do know my sister goes to a chiropractor about 60 miles from where I live; hmmm, maybe he can recommend someone closer to me.  Glad I'm thinking about this now because I'll be following up on that soon!

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Why don't you consider getting your secretor status tested. Depending on the results it may help you sort out your problem. Are you are Rh+ or Rh-? You don't show it under your avatar.

Good idea to get my secretor status checked.  As soon as we dig ourselves out of what I hope is a temporary financial hole, I might be able to do that.  I'd also like to get that blood test done that shows you all the other factors in your blood which further refines the dietary recommendations - but right now, since it's a shoestring budget, I have to do the best I can with the books.  And with all you guys on the boards!     And, I'm Rh positive.  I'll go post that on my avatar.

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Try reading the book The Circadian Prescription. It is one book that recommends eating higher protein until late afternoon than eating higher carb after that. I have been eating this way for several years.

Thank you for the book recommendation.  I was planning a trip to Half Price Books next week to sell a bunch of books; now I have one to look for.  

Thanks!!

Cheri


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Thank you for the book recommendation.  I was planning a trip to Half Price Books next week to sell a bunch of books; now I have one to look for.

Check the library and you might be able to read it for free. That is where I found it.



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Quoted from pkarmeier
Good carbs like sweet potatoes w/ some good fat like ghee, will help to make you sleepy and will slow down the absorption rate of the sugars in the sweet potato, plus the fiber will also help.


Ah!  I can wrap my head around that.  Complex carbs - i.e., healthy carbs - plus some good fat at night:  that's good.  

In my pre-BTD life the carbs that kept me up at night were basically junk carbs.  
Like I said:  stupid.  Took me awhile to figure out not to do that.  



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BTW, thanks for starting this thread, much needed review info for me here.  


I'm just glad I have my on-line BTD support group.  You guys are the best!  So supportive, so willing to jump in and help us newbies figure out which end is up.  Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.  

Cheri

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I am trying to lose weight and the closer I stick to two oz servings, the better, I do


Hi - can you elaborate on this? For instance, are you finding that smaller portions are helping you lose weight even though your total intake over a day hasn't changed, or are you cutting back on total intake and that's what's helping? Would be interested to hear what a typical days' meals entail... I see you kind of mentioned that with another post:

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With me, I need to eat 6-9 oz of meat, fish, poultry a day, and 8 oz of cooked green/broccoli/etc, than I add my nuts(1 oz walnuts or almonds plus 1 oz of pumpkin seeds)  I eat egg whites, for extra protein, & salad with lemon juice & olive oil and fresh/dry herbs & beneficial spices.  (notice no flour, grain, dairy, and very little fruit)  I've changed things quite a bit for myself in the last few month and it's worked for the better.



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Sure I was eating at the larger end of the portion size and lost good for four months, than after messing up during the holidays, it took a long time to my body to adjust to eating correctly again.  Than did, and was either losing very slowly, or staying the same for months at a time,  couldn't afford the secretor testing, so decided to eat as a nonnie, because of all my health issues, that helped health wise, but was still eating too much beef, and not sirloin at the time, but did drain and rinse.  Also was having a problem with getting rid of pizza, so decided to make the topping only in a pan, but used sirloin steak pieces, anchovies, and compliant vegetables in a tomato sauce, loved it . Was beginning to lose again, but that also stopped, so decided to tweak oz of meat per meal.  

I am unable to exercise like suggested for an "O" so I do isometrics, to firm the muscles, try one set of 10 (tightening holding for cold of five and slowly releasing)each hour or two.  I also do ten squats at the kitchen sink twice a day, while my meal is cooking.  When I go into my office, and ready to leave, I stand and sit ten times.  Very recently I started playing music on the computer and been hula hooping with no hula hoop, and moving my arms, kind of swaying.  Well between the 2 oz portions and the bit of dancing once in a while I have been losing about 1/2 lb a day for the past month.  Hope this helps you to get the general picture, if not ask more questions. (EVERYONE, PLEASE DON'T CONGRATULATE OR MENTION THE LOSS AS THIS MESSES ME UP, HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHY BUT JUST NEED TO KEEP LOSING NOW,
QUICKLY, SO i CAN DO SOMETHING SPECIAL IN FEBRUARY)  Thanks

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A-ha!  Good article on "intermittent fasting" and it gets into some Paleolithic/ancient-warrior-diet blabbing as well:
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=278
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Thanks for the link, reasearchingthings. Interesting!


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researchingthings- thank you for that article, kind of reminds me of something I discovered, about myself, I eat completely healthy for three days and than have like an extra meal the fourth day, or maybe a couple of neutrals the fourth day.  I don't lose that day, but the following three days I have good losses.  It like the brain is being sent a message I need a little more and I will give you what you want(more weight loss)  Any understanding on this?
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It's a weird thing that can happen, and I'd love to know why.  I've heard of people on strict low-calorie diets - which is clearly not the same as the BTD, I know, but maybe there's still some usable component here, but anyway:  it's as if the body gets used to the diet, so you reach a plateau and stop losing weight - but if you temporarily re-introduce some dietary no-no's, it's like that shocks your system into losing weight again!  (Well, as long as it's only a temporary change from your normal dietary plan.)
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researchingthings- thank you for that article, kind of reminds me of something I discovered, about myself, I eat completely healthy for three days and than have like an extra meal the fourth day, or maybe a couple of neutrals the fourth day.  I don't lose that day, but the following three days I have good losses.  It like the brain is being sent a message I need a little more and I will give you what you want(more weight loss)  Any understanding on this?


Well, I hear bodybuilders who do low-carb (which is pretty O-oriented) talk about how they lose weight the day after a carb-up... a carb-up being a day like you described  kind of. Supposedly has something to do with what carbs do with water.

What you described could have a bunch of other things going on for it too, of course, but it does parallel to a degree what I've heard from bodybuilders. As research findings are still evolving, I think it's really not a bad idea to check anyone's recommendations against what feels right for your body... instincts are there for a reason.

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It's been seven days since I first posted about this problem I'd been having, "hungry" days that seemed to come in cycles.  I thought y'all might like to hear an update!

Thanks to everyone here in the forums I've taken a couple of suggestions to heart.  First, my goal was to get off the hunger cycle.  I've been tackling this issue by not skipping or slighting protein with my meals.  I know that sounds so basic for a type-O diet, but apparently I needed to be reminded.  

Secondly I've been re-thinking how and when I take in any carbs.  Now, when eating any carbs - starchy vegetables, fruits, or a (rare) serving of a compliant grain - I make sure to have a good protein or fat available to go with it.  Meal-planning has never been my strong suit, and one of the things I was having a hard time with on this diet was cooking fresh meals for myself when my schedule is usually croweded with things like running the kids around (they're 7, 9, and 13), maintaining the home and keeping up with the laundry, and training for a half-marathon.  I kept getting resentful of how much effort it takes to just keep myself fed.  I was unhappy because I no longer have the option anymore of grabbing a waffle for breakfast or throwing some Hot Pockets in the microwave for dinner.  Those convenience foods really are quicker, aren't they?  Not healthy, but fast.  I was having a hard time getting over the quick-food habit.  But re-thinking the carbs made me think more about meal-planning....and even though I'm sure there will be times that once again, I'll be aggravated that meal-planning takes so much time in thought, food prep, and actual cooking, I feel like I've got a better handle on things.  I needed to hear that I should take in carbs with proteins/fats.  Somehow I must have glossed over that in the books.  And somehow, it helps to know because it gives me a place to start when planning a meal.  

I'm fitting into my clothes better.  I don't need to lose weight but I don't want to gain, and when I was on the hungry cycle, I was starting to gain.  I feel like my weight will stay under control now, and probably without a whole lot of worry, either.  

It's all thanks to the BTD - and all of you on the forums.  

Thank you!!!

Cheri
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Thanks for the update, dragonsgold5. I love the amount of support I get from this forum.


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