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Milton
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I've been following the BTD for over a year (not as much to the letter but striving even more so now).  It always evokes stimulating conversation when people hear me talking about the amazing benefits and how harmonious I am with it.  As Dr. D'Adamo mentions, we are re-learning what our bodies already know they are to have.  It just dawned on me that Starbucks uses Silk Soy which contains Carrageenan, a condiment that should be avoided by all blood types.  I never buy Silk Soy for home consumption; I have consistently used EdenSoy Extra which is the right fit.  I'm sure the Carrageenan in Silk Soy contributes to its silky smooth texture and thickness.  I've presented BTD information to Starbucks Customer Service via e-mail for a response.  Will they allow a Barista to steam alternative milk that a customer provides?  Probably not.  I do enjoy their coffees, but if I can't have my choice of milk for a latte or caffe misto, I will refrain.  I'd love to hear what others may have experienced along these lines or what alternatives have been discovered.

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twould be better to have real cream.....but they don't have it....
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I am sure they would steam your milk for you, if the one they carry doesn t agree with you!
besides all the sugar and additives as well as flavors in their soy milk, it really is horrible tasting!


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Lola, you are correct about Silk Soy.  I will be surprised if Starbucks (due to branding and marketing) will allow me to bring in my own soymilk to have steamed.  The staff at the location I frequent did not have the answer immediately which prompted my website inquiry (from a customer service/satisfaction point of view) to the company.  I will certainly share the response once received.  

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just tell them you are deadly allergic to their product but want to enjoy a latte from time to time.......they will certainly agree to help you out.


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I've taken to drinking Starbuck's Americano, it's espresso with hot water, due to the very fact that their soy milk has avoids. Not that I frequent them all that often. I like to make my own coffee at home - cheaper and I know what's in it!


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I've taken to drinking Starbuck's Americano, it's espresso with hot water, due to the very fact that their soy milk has avoids. Not that I frequent them all that often. I like to make my own coffee at home - cheaper and I know what's in it!


What's the proportion for making the Americano?  Sounds like a good option to try.  I do love the combination of steamed soymilk with coffee or espesso.  What I really need is my own espresso machine...in due time...
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Well it depends on what size you get...of course, you can always get extra shots of espresso...as I recall, the medium size (grande?) is two shots of espresso and the rest is hot water...if you like it stronger, tell them room for cream, then don't add any. If you are really together you can bring your own soy milk in a little bottle; I've been known to do that a time or two.


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it s what they call a 'long' espresso.......a charge of espresso with lots of water, the amount is up to you.


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Just have them make your Americano EXTRA hot and then add your own soy milk, that way you will still have a nice hot drink.

BUT I am interested to know if they will steam the soy you bring in cause if they do, I'm going to do it!!!  I love the green tea latte's, but they use that silk stuff and i don't feel good afterwards!
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Just s/w Customer Service at Starbucks, and as I suspected, they will not allow a Barista to steam milk that a customer provides.  This alters their drink ingredients and could lead to other miscellaneous customer requests for customizations they may not currently offer.  The rep (Tom) listened attentively and was very interested in the nature of my inquiry.  He was able to retrieve my e-mail, read it, add comments from our conversation, and forward it to their Food & Beverage team as well as Quality Control.  Just as they currently offer a variety of milks (2%, whole, non-fat, half 'n half, Silk Soy), I am requesting they consider adding a new and healthier soymilk option by adding EdenSoy.  This will take time for them to consider (feedback review, evaluation, new vendor exploration, etc.).  Bureaucracy is at work.  From my observation, they also don't offer cold soymilk in thermos like the other milks   for customers to add to their coffee.  In the meantime, I'll drink coffee at home and add warm Vanilla EdenSoy Extra.  Maybe by the time Starbucks implements an improved product and policy, I will have purchased my espresso machine, organic coffee beans and cases of EdenSoy...
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Thanks for finding out for sure, Milton. I suspected they wouldn't either...at least they didn't completely dis you. That says something about their company. The house I used to live in had an espresso machine, complete with a milk steamer wand. I found myself still using the french press, though, because it was a lot easier to clean.


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carry your own thermos to starbucks instead.


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Quoted from lola
carry your own thermos to starbucks instead.


or better yet, save all those dollars you are spending on Starbucks and buy yourself an espresso machine for home.


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My preference is to have steamed soymilk at Starbucks (especially as a Caffe Misto with certain coffees like Verona, Italian, Sulaweisi, etc.).  It's a whole different drink.  That is the real challenge.  At home, I can adapt to having it warmed.  So, I will adapt in the meantime.  Tea is my other option/alternative.  I love Yogi Tea (Ginger, Lemon Ginger, Bedtime).
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My mom has a battery powered milk frother. It's not technically steamed, but it's also not just warmed...


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Drea, as mentioned above, the espresso machine will have to come into play.   It will be the best long term economic decision.
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I know, I read your previous post...just thought I'd make the connection between the amount of dollars one spends at Starbucks and buying a machine of your own. It's amazing how much people spend on a regular basis at places like Starbucks...


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The only soymilk that I have found that does not contain carrageenan is Organic West Soy.  Every Eden Soy container I look at has carrageenan.  Which EdenSoy is free of carrageen?  I'd like to have more options.

Now that I can't have coffee anymore....which S-U-C-K-S!!  When I go to Starbucks I just get a hot tea green tea, instead of trying and substitute what I can't have, I just changed it all together.  It seems to satisfy my need to "Go to Starbucks".
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The only soymilk that I have found that does not contain carrageenan is Organic West Soy.  Every Eden Soy container I look at has carrageenan.  Which EdenSoy is free of carrageen?  I'd like to have more options.


If you live near a Trader Joe's...they have a house brand of unsweetened organic soy milk with nada but soybeans and water...


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Organic EdenSoy Extra (Vanilla) Soymilk Fortified with Vitamins & Calcium contains:  Purified Water, Organic Soybeans, Naturally Malted Organic Wheat and Barley Extract, Vanilla Extract, Calcium Carbonate, Kombu Seeweed, Sea Salt, Vitamin E, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D2, Vitamin B-12.  I hope this info is helpful.
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This has nothing to do with Starbuck's coffee, but the last time I was there I got a green tea and they use this incredibly hot water and we were in the car and I was holding the cup and the top popped off and burned both my hands pretty bad.  So, I've decided no more tea for me at Starbucks either - especially since the water they use is way too hot for green tea brewing anyway.  I do best if I just don't even go in Starbucks.  Even though I love all the coffee drinks - they do not love me at all.  


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Starbucks is fairly evil.  Even if they did just produce a McCartney album and even if they do sport some of the trappings of coolness and hipness in their ownership and culture.  The fact remains that their practices are just plain yukky:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/Starbucks/index.cfm

I have never purchased anything at a Starbucks.  I've set foot in the place twice--once, looking for a nice Thermos, and once because a friend I was on a long walk across the city with wanted to stop in there to use the facilities.  Both times the place (two different Starbucks) creeped me out.  Why on earth spend all that money for a huge vat of caffeine, sugar, calories and transfat?  I guess I've just been po' for long enough now that I literally can't wrap my head around shelling out such a huge profit margin for them, only to receive empty, blood-sugar-havoc-wreaking calories.


Plus the place is too crowded, the music is WAY too loud (I love music and I love loud music but this was just overpoweringly loud--WHY?--I hate that in restaurant-type settings when you might wish to TALK/LISTEN to someone), all the chairs/tables look uncomfortable and, to top it off, they've got the Organic Consumer's Association p*ssed off at 'em, which is an organization I highly respect.

No...they can keep their Mocha Choca Ya Ya Da Da Lattes.  Not feeling it.

...(Although I have zero doubt that the thing would taste FABULOUS and be totally addictive *lol*...yet another reason to avoid the place like the plague.)


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Peppermint Twist:  Thank you very much for the helpful and informative link.  My intuition has been leaning towards a re-evaluation of Starbucks.  I do enjoy the atmosphere and networking aspects of the Starbucks "experience," but I tend to create those qualities and opportunities everywhere I travel.  Fair Trade/Shade Grown Organic Coffees should be better supported and since I enjoy coffee so much, my consumer choices will change.  The forum on this site is an excellent resource to soundboard ideas and information among a highly intelligent and fun group of people.  Thank you Dr. D'Adamo and constituents!!!
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Peppermint Twist:  Thank you very much for the helpful and informative link.  My intuition has been leaning towards a re-evaluation of Starbucks.  I do enjoy the atmosphere and networking aspects of the Starbucks "experience," but I tend to create those qualities and opportunities everywhere I travel.  Fair Trade/Shade Grown Organic Coffees should be better supported and since I enjoy coffee so much, my consumer choices will change.  The forum on this site is an excellent resource to soundboard ideas and information among a highly intelligent and fun group of people.  Thank you Dr. D'Adamo and constituents!!!

Yay, you're welcome!  

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Organic EdenSoy Extra (Vanilla) Soymilk Fortified with Vitamins & Calcium contains:  Purified Water, Organic Soybeans, Naturally Malted Organic Wheat and Barley Extract, Vanilla Extract, Calcium Carbonate, Kombu Seeweed, Sea Salt, Vitamin E, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D2, Vitamin B-12.  I hope this info is helpful.


I don't think we O's can have some of these ingredients... so i was hoping for a soy milk offered at starbucks that was just soy milk and water.  

but that is a big dream from what i've read on this thread!
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Organic EdenSoy Extra (Vanilla) Soymilk Fortified with Vitamins & Calcium contains:  Purified Water, Organic Soybeans, Naturally Malted Organic Wheat and Barley Extract, Vanilla Extract, Calcium Carbonate, Kombu Seeweed, Sea Salt, Vitamin E, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D2, Vitamin B-12.  I hope this info is helpful.


Yes, this is helpful.  Thanks!  I must not have been looking at Organic EdenSoy Extra
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I don't think we O's can have some of these ingredients... so i was hoping for a soy milk offered at starbucks that was just soy milk and water.  

but that is a big dream from what i've read on this thread!


West Soy has only soy and water.  That's it.
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This has nothing to do with Starbuck's coffee, but the last time I was there I got a green tea and they use this incredibly hot water and we were in the car and I was holding the cup and the top popped off and burned both my hands pretty bad.  So, I've decided no more tea for me at Starbucks either - especially since the water they use is way too hot for green tea brewing anyway.  I do best if I just don't even go in Starbucks.  Even though I love all the coffee drinks - they do not love me at all.  


You mean you didn't sue like the McDonalds lady??  J/K!  

I agree, it's just better not to go.  I didn't know green tea has certain brewing temperatures....how hot is too hot?
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Starbucks is fairly evil.  Even if they did just produce a McCartney album and even if they do sport some of the trappings of coolness and hipness in their ownership and culture.  The fact remains that their practices are just plain yukky:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/Starbucks/index.cfm

I have never purchased anything at a Starbucks.  I've set foot in the place twice--once, looking for a nice Thermos, and once because a friend I was on a long walk across the city with wanted to stop in there to use the facilities.  Both times the place (two different Starbucks) creeped me out.  Why on earth spend all that money for a huge vat of caffeine, sugar, calories and transfat?  I guess I've just been po' for long enough now that I literally can't wrap my head around shelling out such a huge profit margin for them, only to receive empty, blood-sugar-havoc-wreaking calories.


Plus the place is too crowded, the music is WAY too loud (I love music and I love loud music but this was just overpoweringly loud--WHY?--I hate that in restaurant-type settings when you might wish to TALK/LISTEN to someone), all the chairs/tables look uncomfortable and, to top it off, they've got the Organic Consumer's Association p*ssed off at 'em, which is an organization I highly respect.

No...they can keep their Mocha Choca Ya Ya Da Da Lattes.  Not feeling it.

...(Although I have zero doubt that the thing would taste FABULOUS and be totally addictive *lol*...yet another reason to avoid the place like the plague.)



Freakin Hilarious!!
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Yes Westsoy is all we drink.  
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There is some hope (until my espresso machine purchase).  Checked with a different Starbucks about steaming my own soymilk and the Barista said "Sure."  She has another customer that brings in her own Rice Milk for her drink.  Her container holds enough for a Venti (largest) size drink.  EdenSoy sells individual serving size containers (about 8 oz.) in packages of three.  The Barista indicated they use discretion in situations like this without getting in trouble.  I know enough Baristas at my main location that should take care of my request.  I will give it a try.

Read some labels while in Publix (here in Florida) under West Soy, EdenSoy, and Almond Breeze.  Each company had at least one or more milks that contain Carrageenan.  Obviously, it is always important to read the ingredients.  Surprisingly, Eden has one that contains both Kombu Seaweed and Carrageenan.
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good to know you ll have your latte after all!!


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I didn't know green tea has certain brewing temperatures....how hot is too hot?


"For Green teas, water temperature should be 190 f and brewing time 3 minutes."

http://empiretea.com/tea_facts.htm


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"For Green teas, water temperature should be 190 f and brewing time 3 minutes."

http://empiretea.com/tea_facts.htm



Good to know....I bet I over brew mine.
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No question, the latte at Starbucks is better and Blood Type A-compliant with Vanilla EdenSoy Extra Fortified Soymilk.  Not every location is cooperative, but one Barista noted to make sure they understand why I am making the request.  After all, I am providing a new (unopened) container of milk each time.  Sooooooo good!!!
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well here's what I did....we were at the very coffee mega-outlet of which you speak, and I asked for an espresso with a splash of cream, and it had to be real cream. To my surprise, they had it, they showed me, and splashed just  bit in and it was good. I'm thinking cream is a neutral .......could be better than soy milk, I don't know....now this is something I do once a month as a treat.......remember the thread that said soymilk in those boxes is processed at a really high temp (bad)?

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The Japanese green tea I get says to pour hot water at 176 degrees F over the tea bag, & wait 30 seconds before removing the tea bag from the cup.  I think 30 seconds is all the time that the water stays at 176!  I'm forever getting it too hot, letting it overcool, and then reheating it which I recently read is not exactly the best choice because "freshly boiled water has higher oxygen levels which affect flavor".

Nevertheless, it is really nice to see these discussions about the antioxidant rich/healthy cups of green tea...it reminds me to enjoy them later in the day after my morning cup is long gone.

I've always thought it would be nice to have a soymilk that was fortified with the Calcium and Vitamin D, but realize that whichever company that might manufacture it would probably add a bunch of avoids in with them, too.
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I use organic VITA SOY soy milk Creamy Original and organic VITASOY soy milk Rich Chocolate.  Great products and wonderful taste.  No avoids.
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Quoted from Shane
Freakin Hilarious!!

 *blushing* Why, thank you!
Quoted from Jayney
well here's what I did....we were at the very coffee mega-outlet of which you speak, and I asked for an espresso with a splash of cream, and it had to be real cream. To my surprise, they had it, they showed me, and splashed just  bit in and it was good. I'm thinking cream is a neutral .......could be better than soy milk, I don't know....now this is something I do once a month as a treat.......remember the thread that said soymilk in those boxes is processed at a really high temp (bad)?

Jayney, I think that you made a great choice and that choices like that are what seperate those who are able to sustain any kind of "diet" for a lifetime and those who are doomed to go careening off at some point because it is too restrictive.  You chose to treat yourself to something, to allow imperfection, yet you also went a route that was a pure, whole food route.  I think pure cream beats out overly-processed commercial "soy milk" any day.  I know it is an avoid, but if you just have a little cream in there as a treat, then so be it, especially if you are having EXPRESSO* anyway ~lol~.

I think you chose wisely, young Luke Skywalker.

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