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funkymuse
Sunday, June 17, 2007, 2:22pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi All... slide down into the rabbit hole for 3 days.  I tell you every month about 9 days before my cycle uncontrollable cravings for chocolate hit me.  Uncontrollable and off I go.  Next month I'm doing a saliva hormone level test to see what's going on but in the meantime...

What's the best way to calm this down?  Yesterday I got myself eating a bunch of protein and this morning I feel better - at least for the moment my cravings are calm and my head isn't aching with that 'after binge' groggy brain fog.

I'm going to try and focus on red meat and vegies today with one meal being a protein shake.  

Experience?  Comments?  Suggestions?  Help!  
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If you have any magnesium, take about 300-400mg. of it and see if that helps.
Protein is an excellent choice!
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Magnesium is my suggestion too.  I don't know on the dosage.........
Janet may chime in here as she was having the chocolate cravings. I suggested she take some mag, she said it really did help, but I don't know how much she took.
I would find out what a normal daily amount is and up it from there. May take some experimenting.  
Good luck w/ the saliva testing. Do you have someone to 'read' it and guide you from there?  



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food sources high in magnesium are beneficial nuts and neutral oats, rice and amaranth


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I've been taking magnesium in the form of Peter Gillham's Natural Calm - http://www.petergillham.com/ -  for while now at night before bed and I still had the cravings come on.

Also yes, my NP has ordered the test and will be reading it when it comes through.  I did it a couple of years ago and it was VERY revealing.
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Quoted from funkymuse
I've been taking magnesium in the form of Peter Gillham's Natural Calm - http://www.petergillham.com/ -  for while now at night before bed and I still had the cravings come on.


how much are you taking? maybe you need to increase it.........just a thought  



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protein and ghee helped me fine.

also try ground pure cocoa with ghee and lecithin in hot water.......
avoid sugar if possible!


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funkymuse
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how much are you taking? maybe you need to increase it.........just a thought  


I'm taking a pretty large tsp (about 2 tsps) which gives me the runs the next day so my body has not adjusted to this much as yet....
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protein and ghee helped me fine.

also try ground pure cocoa with ghee and lecithin in hot water.......
avoid sugar if possible!


this sounds great, but i tried liquid lecithin and could not stand the taste!!!  

How about a little soy milk with cocoa and ghee?
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Try some green tea with a little unsweetened cocoa and ghee. It's pretty darn good!


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How about a little soy milk with cocoa and ghee?


that sounds workable as long as you get the soy milk w/o junk. also something to consider - do you have any health issues? in some of the Health Series books, I think soy goes to avoid.  

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I'm taking a pretty large tsp (about 2 tsps) which gives me the runs the next day so my body has not adjusted to this much as yet....


guess you dont want to increase it yet then huh?  



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We use granular lecithin in our black cocoa drink, just a little.

Another thing that may help with those monster cravings is wild salmon.  Even if you have to buy it canned, eat it liberally when you start feeling that obsession.

There is a magnesium product that has been discussed on another thread that is rubbed onto the skin.  It is called magnesium oil.  This one allows a person to absorb a large amount of magnesium without passing it through the digestive tract.  So there is no problem with loose stools.



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Try some green tea with a little unsweetened cocoa and ghee. It's pretty darn good!


Any suggestion on how much of each of these?

Also I get the organic soy by Westsoy... nothing but organic soy beans and water.  
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When I make green cocoa, I make a cup of tea, then add about a tsp of cocoa and a tsp of ghee. It really depends on your own personal taste buds. The first time I made it, I added a TBSP of cocoa and that was too much!


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Quoted from funkymuse
every month about 9 days before my cycle uncontrollable cravings for chocolate hit me.  ... What's the best way to calm this down?


I do that too, maybe not quite so many days in advance. I think D'Adamo has mentioned when you want carbs, go for red meat if you're an O and that will help and is primary. There's also a supplement called glutamine that's OK for Os and has been said to curb carb cravings (I take it but haven't noticed whether or not it curbs anything).

There may be some wisdom in going ahead and having the chocolate... and since it's chocolate you're craving might as well go for the purest dark chocolate. Some better grocery stores have the Lindt Excellence line (can also be ordered online if you can find their Website) - wonderful - and they make a 99% chocolate bar that's pretty lean on sugars and other things you don't want any or much of. (If you take a more liberal approach the 85% bar is still quite low but has vanilla etc.) Chocolate is a neutral for Os and there are some more compliant recipes linked from this entry in typebase:
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?113

I'm not entirely sure how chocolate interacts with catecholamines but suffice to say I suspect the whole cravings cycle goes better when one is not too caffeinated or stressed, given Os' propensity to generate adrenaline, etc. Rhodiola, one of the things Dr. D recommends for Os, helps to curb excess adrenaline and to foster dopamine which is more of a happiness/pleasure substance. More on that here:
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/nap/archives/00000014.htm

So anyway, the short of it is if it were me, I'd first schedule some medium-rare steak dinners with compliant dark chocolate desserts, try to minimize stressors and caffeine, and start taking rhodiola. If that didn't work, personally I'd move on to a little magnesium as suggested here and glutamine.

(Disclaimers: Magnesium may help you; it never did anything for me in the situation you described.)

There's some interesting discussion of how one chocolate component called theobromine works, here - could potentially help explain why we crave it, I think (or, not):
http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa090301a.htm




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funkymuse,
In case you missed it, see my addition to my message above, about magnesium.



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...how familiar to me ....but not because  of the same issue .....
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funkymuse
Sunday, June 17, 2007, 8:28pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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THanks all so so very much for all the suggestions so far!  

**Glutamine never seems to do much for me.  Have tried it several times.

**I have to try Rhodiola again... it makes me feel weird but it may be interacting with other things I'm taking or my bodies past condition of not quite BTD par.

**Yes last night and today... nice roast beef cooked in slow cooker.  But as I mentioned above Magnesium never has done much for my cravings.  sigh.



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funkymuse
Sunday, June 17, 2007, 9:43pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Tried this:

Seneca Green Tea Powder
Unsweetened Cocoa Powder
Approx. 1/4 Tsp Ghee
Hot Water
Stevia
Splash of Soy Milk

YUMMMM!!!!

Thanks so much for the recipe!  
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enjoy!!


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