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Susana
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She has got her results back already and send me the code to look at the material. However when I put in the code I am informed that the data base does not recognize the code so I am out of luck.
Any ideas? Thanks.


Check the code.

I enter my father's code with National Geographic. We use a different computer 3000 kms appart.

Hope it helps. Good luck.



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If you jsut do a search on the haplogroup in google you will get all these haplogroup sites pop up and some of them have some famous faces to put to the group

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic


Ooops! read the advice, went to execute, and had so much fun I forgot to return and thank you.  

Thanks Mike. Unfortunately my fathers haplogroup is so common no famous person wants to be mentioned .



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Ooops! read the advice, went to execute, and had so much fun I forgot to return and thank you.  

Thanks Mike. Unfortunately my fathers haplogroup is so common no famous person wants to be mentioned .





which haplogroup is that?


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which haplogroup is that?


R1b
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R1b


that's a pretty old Y haplogroup...They were the contemporaries of the European Neanderthals.


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that's a pretty old Y haplogroup...They were the contemporaries of the European Neanderthals.


“Your ancestors’ arrival in Europe heralded the end of the era of The Neandertals a hominid species that inhabited Europe and parts of Western Asia from about 29,000 to 230,000 years ago. Better communication skills, weapons, and resourcefulness probably enabled your ancestors to outcompete Neandertals for scarce resources.”

“You are a direct decendant of the people that dominated the human expansion into Europe, the Cro-Magnon.”

National Geographic on R1b.

Supposedly they were a very large group and that is why the group survived. Matter of odds I guess.


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Check the code.







Am doing for the second time. She is talking about printing it out and leaving it in my mailbox , not quite the same thing.

She also mentions that she thinks her DNA is 'incomplete'. Any idea what that could mean?






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She also mentions that she thinks her DNA is 'incomplete'. Any idea what that could mean?


Did she use National Geographic? When my father ordered his, there was a message after 5 weeks saying that the research was incomplete they needed to verify. With that comment they did not provide any further info.

National geographic did not post any info until it was complete and had passed quality control. It took them 7 weeks, 2 more than normal.

I could get into NG an read the "Non-complete" message. Ei, I was able to get into my father's project from the very beginning.

I hope you can get it in your computer. Definitely better than a print out.

Best wishes,



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OK. Finally after 2 double checks I got the correct code for National Geographic. The mitochrondial side is haplogroup H ( see post #1 for review ). I think my sister is going to drop off some printed stuff anyway so I'll se if I can pinpoint the 'incomplete' status.





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OK. Finally after 2 double checks I got the correct code for National Geographic. The mitochrondial side is haplogroup H ( see post #1 for review ). I think my sister is going to drop off some printed stuff anyway so I'll se if I can pinpoint the 'incomplete' status.


Congratulations! Finally.

So you are related to Mikeo. Interesting you both come from Canada.

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Congratulations! Finally.

So you are related to Mikeo. Interesting you both come from Canada.



Not a surprise really. The original settlers in Canada were the French, English, Scots and the United Empire Loyalists from the US who I assume were mostly English. Given this set of origins and the flow arrows for type H I think type H would be a major factor in the population of Canada.

Fact is that my mothers family were originally German and came to Canada via Ireland so even later settlers could be of the same stock. There is a personal intrest in this material but it also has a historical relevance.

Must get my fathers side done. Came from England, near Birmingham, and may be the same group.






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(this is from Ribbit's husband, who has a PhD in genetics and has published papers on mitochondirlal DNA and how it relates to human ancestry)

First, let us be careful with the conclusions being drawn. I noticed one comment that mentioned the "famous ancestors" in the original post on this thread. Those are not ancestors, but relatives - distant relatives. Since about 40% of the European population is hapotype H, one would expect to be related to about 40% of all the famous Europeans who have ever lived. Also, this haplotype existed before Europeans came to Europe, and thus is found far and wide. Therefore, since this haplotype arose prior to the spreading out of the world's population, anyone of haplotype H is only slightly more closely ralated to these famous people than they would be to, say, Noah. One wonders what the big deal is. Don't get me wrong, I am a genealogist as well as a geneticist and I love the fact that my mother's mother's mother's mother came from the Frisian Islands (i.e., my mitochondria are of Viking stock), but we are related to ALL people who are alive today, and therefore is is only people in my direct ancestral line that are really "kin."

Second, the Seven Daughters of Eve hypothesis is quite controversial (many geneticists think that it is hyped up in order to draw in more dollars). So let us be extremely careful about drawing conclusions about where a person comes from based on the results of this author's work. There are actually three main mitochondrial haplotypes found throughout the entire world (haplotype H is a major branch of one of these lines). And, while it is true that there are several major mithochondrial lines that make up the bulk of the ancestral European population, the actual number of ancestresses (e.g., "seven") is very hard to determine. That being said, however, I still like knowing to which clade I belong, I just don't care to lump myself in with one of these mythological seven women. The reader is free to do as he or she likes, however, and I can see why one would enjoy dreaming about their ancestral clan.

The many sub-haplotypes of the three main mitochondrial lineages make up the bulk of the world's population. There are many additional lineages found in Africa, but these are exceptions according to a new paper in Nucleic Acids Research (This is a free access journal and can be found with a simple Google search. I think the author's name was Carter - good stuff for those with inquisitive minds. I'll post the URL if someone asks).



The reminder of this post is designed to be an enjoyable intellectual exercise. While I write specifically to challenge the assumptions behind some of what has been written in this thread, as I did above, the reader is free to take exception to anything written.

Regarding the differences between mitochondrial and Y chromosome ages. All dates reported for the most recent mitochondrial and Y chromosome common ancestor are estimates that are based on models with MANY unknown or assumed parameters, and most of the assumptions have been disproven in the scientific literature (see the Carter reference above). Therefore all bets are off regarding the truth behind any of those numbers. In fact, the models are in such disarray that one could easily interpret the data as supporting the Noah's Flood/Tower of Babel stories:

A short list of factors supporting the Flood/Babel story
- the differences between the times to the most recent common ancestor of Y, X, and mtDNA
- the geographic specificity of Y chromomes
- the wider distribution of mitochondrial lineages
- the lack of diversity of Y chromosomes worldwide
- the much larger diversity of X chromosomes
- the existence of three main worldwide mitochondrial lineages
- etc. etc.

According to the biblical data, there was but one Y chromosome on the Ark (Noah's). There were three mitochondrial lineages (his three daughtes-in-law, assuming Noah and his wife had no daughters after the Flood). And there were up to 9 X chromosomes (depending on how closely related the women were to each other and to the men). The initial post-Flood population was cohesive (freely mixing), but was sundered according to paternal lineage at Babel, about five generations after the Flood. This division, coupled to the sudden spreading out of the population, would have created the geographic pattern of Y, X, and mitochondrial haplotypes that we see today.

Current theory (and there is much data to support this independent of any computer model) indicates that there was but a single worldwide dispersion of modern humans, emanating from the Middle East, travelling in small groups, moving into previously uninhabited territory, in the "recent" past. Africa is a special case that does not fit ANY model (see Carter again - note that I am quoting an evolutionary journal to back up non-evolutionary ideas). This dispersion, coupled to the genetic parameters outlined in the previous paragraph, support the biblical model very strongly.

Therefore, those of you who are not evolutionists, take heart. Those of you who are nominally evolutionists, take a second look. And those of you who are completey at odds with what I have stated, take note - there is a very strong alternative.

Again, this was meant as an intellectual exercise only. Hopefully most people will see that this was written in a spirit of humility. I do not claim to know much, but I believe everything stated above is factual, theoretically plausible, and philosophically sound. Do with it as you please.

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thanks for sharing with us this very interesting paragraph, RH!!

looking forward to more of your insight!


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Thanks R H
very interesting...


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Thanks RH for a super beneficial food for thought

I hope you are all very well and enjoing the new addition to the family. What a blessing!

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"Second, the Seven Daughters of Eve hypothesis is quite controversial"
- Ribbet's husband[/quote]

and the Babel/Flood story/hypothesis is not?


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I passed this on to him verbally and he laughed and said, "Of course it's controversial.  That's the whole point.  Both ideas are controversial.  Take your pick as to which you're going to put your faith in--something people (including many scientists) have believed in for thousands of years, or a recent idea that many scientists say is totally made up."


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