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funkymuse
Monday, May 14, 2007, 12:10am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I've been reading this book "The Carbohydrate Addicts Lifespan Program" which recommends eating 'Craving Reducing Meals' which consist of only meat and vegies for two meals a day and then a 'Rewards' meal that starts with a salad, then vegies, meat, and any kind of carb you want.

I'm a little distressed by the whole thing because you cannot have fruit on the two Craving Reducing meals or any carb (good or bad for that matter).  

It seems to be very limited.  However the science regarding the insulin response for carb addicts is very compelling and seems to fit exactly with my cravings and my past and current binge habits.

During my monthly cycle my cravings start to die down and for two weeks after I feel free!  Alive!  Happy, CALM and balanced; and some wonderful months I have  almost zero cravings.  Then suddenly I'm back in the dark hole.  I don't know what triggers this but I'm getting the feeling that as my monthly hormones shift in preparation once again for my next cycle, something gets horribly out of balance.

Another thing I think I need to carefully watch is what I'm putting in my mouth that might be triggering the insulin response; and 'when' I'm putting it in.  It seems, according to the book, that snacking can also cause the insulin to rise.  

At any rate, anyone with similar experience or testimonies of recovering from carb addiction, please write!  This has been going on my entire life and this book has hit the nail on the head as far as what I have been going through since I was a kid with diets and weight and hormones and, and, and... I just want to feel  normal and not driven to eat c**p!!! ARGGG!!! sigh.



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do you eat enough proteins and fats?


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JamieB
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I have heard that eating red meat for breakfast for Os is great and the supplement L-Glutimine or something like that helps to control carb cravings by helping protean digestion. Lolas suggestions to look at how much protein and fat you are getting are great, you may need to get more.
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funkymuse
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I eat protein at every meal that has been cooked in olive oil.  Plus I get my morning flax seed oil hit.

 I've noticed if I just have protein and fruit (like when we are in a rush and I cannot stir fry up some vegies or put a salad together), that some cravings kick in.

Those vegies and meat really do the trick.  I usually have a bit of pineapple or blueberries with each meal as well.

The thing is I really would like to work out a plan from the BTD rather than follow that guys suggestions cause he advocates lots of cheese, etc., that won't work for me.
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diffy
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I do not tolerate carbs. Period. Not even fruits. And yet I CRAAAAAAVE carbs like crazy!

I have found that eating meat for breakfast is a great carb-crave-curber.

So all I'm left with is protein and veggies. And there ain't much very exciting about eating just protein and veggies. So sometimes I won't eat cuz what I REALLY wanna eat is something GOOD and SWEET.  And if I can't have THAT nothing else is very tempting. And if I don't eat...you know what happens to my blood sugar....so it can be a vicious cycle.

On other days, I'm pretty good about it. I stick to veggies and compliant proteins and I'm fine.

Now that you mention it, I'm gonna start keeping track...see if the cravings correspond with the monthly cycle...

Sigh.
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funkymuse
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Hi Diffy..

so can you suggest different ways to make vegies?  I get BORED with my stir fries!  sigh.   and it's very hard for me to eat kale so if i stir fry it , i can manage to eat it and if I put it in soups I can eat it as well.

Spinich seems a little lighter tasting when cooked.
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one thing is for sure: if you give in to the cravings, the cravings will win and grow stronger. Don't let the cravings get you down. The first step is talking about the problem, which you are doing well. You have a lot of good suggestions to try. Cravings are not hunger, so try to take your mind of of them! a good way would be to exercise somehow.
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At this point I am bored of all veggies. Really. sigh. Waiting for results of secretor status test.
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With those carb cravings, I'd test for candida.


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Dr. D in LR4YT pg.170: "For women I have found that low estrogen levels can produce carbohydrate cravings. One or two capsules of the herb maca can help normalize your estrogen levels."

My cravings get worse after my menses. So I tried maca. It did not work because i kept on eating horrid regardless. So the herb could not regulate estrogen levels. I was eating carbs for the "high". When I did not have cravings I still ate incorrectly.

I am with Ben Lamers: "if you give in to the cravings, the cravings will win and grow stronger." As hard as it may seem in the stage we are in (desire is veryyyyy strong) we have to not give in.

Sure we can help the physical addiction with herbs, BTD, complete carb abstinence if desired, but ultimately, it is us calling the shots for healthy nutrition.

Funcky, is that the Heller's book? I found it did not work for me because when I could indulge I wanted wheat and dairy. Any old carb with agave, spelt, soy milk... just did not cut it.

it is a constant NO to incorrect eating and YES to healthy eating. With time it will get easier.

I am fortunate I can observe my husband. He eats very little (unfortunately non-BTD) and I know as a fact he would often times eat more, he just does not give into the desire. He survives and is a happy man. Ei. not frustrated because he can not satisfy that specific desire. He certainly satisfies others. It is basically Lola's signature.

Best wishes. we can make it.



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I've found that oftentimes my cravings for starches and sugar means I'm sadly lacking in minerals and vitamins, and my body is trying to tell me to get some. A good B complex vitamin helps me tremendously with starch cravings. Nettle leaf is another excellent source of trace minerals (and also helps with allergies, an added bonus). Bladderwrack works wonders in reducing cravings too.


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I've been reading this book "The Carbohydrate Addicts Lifespan Program"


Oh, I LOVE the Hellers.  Carb Addicts was the plan I first ran into that helped get my eating under control.

Quoted from funkymuse
I'm a little distressed by the whole thing because you cannot have fruit on the two Craving Reducing meals or any carb (good or bad for that matter).


At the CA meals you are allowed your portion of protein plus up to 2 cups of vegetables on their list . . . so, depending on the vegetables chosen, there can be a fair number of carbs.  For me, having those "craving reducing" vegetables is very important for keep in track - whether it is the vitamins they provide or something else I don't know.

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During my monthly cycle my cravings start to die down [...] Then suddenly I'm back in the dark hole.


I always did better then a pumped up the amount of protein I was eating a little bit (or at least make sure I was not skimping at any meal) . . . around the week before TOM.  (If that worked for an A, I gotta think it might help an O!)

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Another thing I think I need to carefully watch is what I'm putting in my mouth that might be triggering the insulin response; and 'when' I'm putting it in.  It seems, according to the book, that snacking can also cause the insulin to rise.


For me, it is helpful to bear in mind that some protein gets turned into glucose (which can in sufficient quantities trigger excess insulin).  I noticed this when I would be doing something after work and would eat an extra big lunch in anticipation of not eating dinner until late . . . I'd be sleepy in the afternoon and it would have me craving bagels in the morning!

Also, I think those of us with weight issues tend to think of fat as an enemy, but sufficient good fat can help keep glucose/insulin balance in check.


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I used to have a horrible carb addiction when I ate grains, but eliminating those has changed my relationship with food a lot.  

I'll have a baked sweet potato or baked squash (delicata, sweet dumpling, etc.) with baked fish for the evening meal.  

Midday meal is red meat and a generous helping of a variety of mixed beautiful vegetables, including both roots (parsnips, red onions, carrots, turnips, rutabagas, etc), leaves (kale, collards, turnip greens, etc.), and buds (brussel sprouts, broccoli, etc.)

Breakfast is when I have fruit, which is in a smoothie with goat yogurt, nutritional yeast and freshly ground flax.  I don't snack between meals.



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Quoted from Victoria

Midday meal is red meat and a generous helping of a variety of mixed beautiful vegetables, including both roots (parsnips, red onions, carrots, turnips, rutabagas, etc), leaves (kale, collards, turnip greens, etc.), and buds (brussel sprouts, broccoli, etc.)


How do you cook those vegies?  

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How do you cook those vegies?  


funkymuse, I made a pretty good lunch with collards and broccoli florets: I put some evoo in the cast iron pan and let it heat up. Then I added the broccoli florets and coated them in the oil. Then I added the collards that had been washed, the center stems removed, and cut into thin strips. This I let cook for about two minutes stirring the collards into the broccoli. I added a bit of minced garlic, then added about 1-2 TBS of water and put a lid on the whole thing to steam. Just before the broccoli was cooked the way I like it, I took off the lid and let the liquid in the bottom evaporate. Onto the plate the whole thing went. I dress almost all of my veggies with a bit of wf tamari and lemon/lime juice, and sea salt. Yummy.


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some protein gets turned into glucose.


you mean the protein combos of grains and legumes, etc?
cause animal protein doesn t raise my glucose levels.


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For me, it is helpful to bear in mind that some protein gets turned into glucose (which can in sufficient quantities trigger excess insulin).  I noticed this when I would be doing something after work and would eat an extra big lunch in anticipation of not eating dinner until late . . . I'd be sleepy in the afternoon and it would have me craving bagels in the morning!


I have certainly noticed, and talking about it with Raquel, another forum member, that eating too much, or big quantities, even if it is meat and veggies, seems to wake up gluttony/cravings.

Dr. Atkins also mentions that too much meat can turn into glucose. I do not know if it is true or it is just the big amounts of food responsible for the cravings.


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Apositive- It might help if you eat your regular lunch than follow an hour before your regular time of eating with  a snack and than follow with your late meal regular amt.

I know that works for an "O' anyways, especially if it's just a small handful of nuts for the snack.
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you mean the protein combos of grains and legumes, etc?

Whether from animal or vegetable sources, and whether eaten alone or with other foods, my understanding is that a certain amount of protein is turned into glucose in the digestive process; granted it is only a fraction of the amount of glucose that would be derived from the same amount of sugar or starch, but it adds up.

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cause animal protein doesn t raise my glucose levels.

This is where individual differences come in, I believe.  If 20 different people ate the same amount of rice, you would get 20 different percentage changes in blood glucose level, don't you think?


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Apositive- It might help if you eat your regular lunch than follow an hour before your regular time of eating with  a snack and than follow with your late meal regular amt.

Thanks, great idea!  I get too rigid thinking about just 3 meals sometimes, I think.  It has been helpful in the past, but those big meals aren't good for As either.


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How do you cook those vegies?  



90% of the time, I put an inch of water in a saucepan with a tight-fitting lid, and steam them on low heat until just tender.  

I like to use one chunky vegetable with a leaf vegetable.  Examples would be:
carrots with collards
brussel sprouts with collards
turnips with their greens
broccoli with kale
rhutabagas with chard

I always cut my greens into extremely thin slivers so that they cook fast and tender.

Often I will stir-fry red onions in a little ghee until they begin to turn golden, and add the drained, steamed vegetables to the pan, stirring around to pick up all the onion flavor.

I generally season my vegetables with an olive oil drizzel:  Extra Virgin Olive oil with a generous amount of crushed garlic and herbs, kept in a dark bottle with a cork.



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I generally season my vegetables with an olive oil drizzel:  Extra Virgin Olive oil with a generous amount of crushed garlic and herbs, kept in a dark bottle with a cork.


Yum, all your veggie combos sound good - I do the kale and broccoli a lot.

Your evoo, garlic, herb mixture sounds delicious, too...do you strain the chunks or just let them out when they want it?


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At any rate, anyone with similar experience or testimonies of recovering from carb addiction, please write!  This has been going on my entire life and this book has hit the nail on the head as far as what I have been going through since I was a kid with diets and weight and hormones and, and, and... I just want to feel normal and not driven to eat c**p!!! ARGGG!!! sigh.


I wouldn't call myself a carb-addict, but I'm definitely in the grain-addict family. In my mind, carbs are in every food except meats and fats. Vegetable and fruit carbs don't give me nearly the same cravings as grain carbs do. I can eat a whole loaf of sourdough bread in one sitting, easy, then go binge on some sugary food!



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