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wizz
Friday, May 11, 2007, 7:15am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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When you've been on BTD consistently for two weeks or more do you experience side effects when you have avoids even if avoids are in small amounts?

If so, what are some of the side effects?

Does this means that once I've started this diet I cannot have avoids except I'm willing to experience side effects? I just need to know so when I eat out I know if I have to be extremely selective of what I eat.

This is my third week on this diet and I had veggie mince yesterday but didn't notice it contained corn gluten and wheat gluten. I ended up with serious abdominal pain! I haven't had veggie mince in about 15 yrs but I've never had any problems in the past. I suspect the problem was the gluten!

From now on I will definitely read the label of everything I intend to consume as the pain was excruciating!

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...if you are going to detox and then you'll reintroduce even only little amounts of em, be aware that the sideffect might be 500 times bigger in its real effect what you can experience!!!
A bit heavy...huh .....
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Yes wizz...I experience different reactions when I eat avoids.  Stomach does not seem to be affected as much as other 'power points'.    Wheat can cause my right knee to start to ache, usually within 10 minutes of ingesting (actually kind of like a burn on the inside of it, but not actually in the bone-more on the flesh part), sugar does that also.  Anything, dairy and my skin and head will start to itch (especially my skin on my tummy when I am sleeping...I can wake up quite scratched up and not even know I had done it) and I have another power point for that on my left arm near the top.  When I used to eat the avoids it would usually take up to a week to fully get out of my system.  I find the more compliant I have become the less tolerant of avoids I am.  

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...if you are going to detox and then you'll reintroduce even only little amounts of em, be aware that the sideffect might be 500 times bigger in its real effect what you can experience!!!
A bit heavy...huh .....


Talk about heavy...that's an understatement...I'm down right scared! Holy c**p!
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Yes wizz...I experience different reactions when I eat avoids.  Stomach does not seem to be affected as much as other 'power points'.    Wheat can cause my right knee to start to ache, usually within 10 minutes of ingesting (actually kind of like a burn on the inside of it, but not actually in the bone-more on the flesh part), sugar does that also.  Anything, dairy and my skin and head will start to itch (especially my skin on my tummy when I am sleeping...I can wake up quite scratched up and not even know I had done it) and I have another power point for that on my left arm near the top.  When I used to eat the avoids it would usually take up to a week to fully get out of my system.  I find the more compliant I have become the less tolerant of avoids I am.  

Debra


OMG If something like that happen to me and I didn't know what was happening I would be so scared and worried. I guess knowing the side effects of having avoids help to keep us on track but darn, that's a bit harsh!

Can some of the A blood type please respond!
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I have similar issues with some avoids, like potatoes. Potatoes make my joints swell up almost immediately, whereas tomoatoes and peppers (also avoids) either have such a delayed reaction that I don't notice, or don't affect me much at all. I still try to avoid them (mostly) because they are avoids...


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Friday, May 11, 2007, 4:58pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Ok, I understand the avoids can have side effects, but what will happen if we add like a new food we have never eaten that is ok for our blood type? I am considering dandelion greens. Beneficial for me, but my B neighbor reported a scratchy throat from eating the greens.
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I have issues with tomatoes and potatoes.  I get weird little rashes all over my face.  Wheat doesn't affect me hardly at all, but I notice that I feel better with sprouted grain bread or with 100% rye than with plain wheat... though sourdough is fine.

Dairy is another story.  If I go awhile with no dairy, I can do fine on goat cheese (in ALL of it's various forms and deliciousness) but processed motzarella (not fresh) makes me CRAZY!

Don't know about the dandilion phenomenon Marylee (5th demention) to my knowledge I've never had a bad reaction to a beneficial.  Was it commercially grown?  If I'm eating fresh, I only eat organic stuff so no sprays and I wash it well.  Could have something to do with an actual allergy, though.


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The more compliant I've become the worse is my reaction to wheat and now spelt which I had sustituted.

Maybe we are more likely to notice ill effects after feeling better?

I only sussed out the reaction to spelt recently, wondering why I  always felt uncomfortable [jumpy heart beat, risk of atrial fibrillation] on a Monday - [put it down to stress first!]  - 24 hours after eating a Sunday meal of spelt pasta with a 'treat' of avoid cheese.... first I thought it was the cheese, but then I noticed it's happened 24 hours after eating homemade spelt bread too.
So that's the cheese out now as I'm not bothered about it since ditching the pasta!

Joyce

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"Does this means that once I've started this diet I cannot have avoids except I'm willing to experience side effects?"

Sorry, that made me chuckle.  The answer is.... "Yep."  I have a friend who has been on the diet for just a few short weeks and she decided it was too much trouble, and that she'd go back to eating whatever she wanted.  But within a day of adding back in her normal foods, she was so sick she realized that she can't go off the diet.

And every time I toy with the idea of eating an avoid, I remember what it does to me, and I go make myself something beneficial.

There's been several threads along this line and most of us, it seems, have become super-sensitive to avoid foods since beginning the diet.  And, it seems, those who have been on the diet a long, long time (many years), can again tolerate a few avoids without trouble.

While our bodies are healing from the damage we've done to them our whole lives, they will react negatively to what they now are able to see as poison, whereas before our immune systems were so suppressed that we couldn't react.  New sensitivities to avoids are actually a good thing, in my mind, because it shows me that my body can see it for what it is now instead of being beat down.

What kills me: too much wheat (makes me depressed and slows down my digestion to the point of great discomfort), sugar (makes my heart race and lowers my immune system), any nightshade (peppers, potatoes, eggplant, tomatoes---makes my skin break out in boils for weeks).  


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Your responses have been really beneficial to me, as they give me an idea as to what to expect just in case I had avoids. I'm what you can call a 'nervous nelly' ha! ha! and I can drive myself crazy if something is happening to my body and I have no idea what is causing it. I really don't wish to discuss this with my doctor as I don't want wish to hear any negativity on this topic.

Calling all A's!
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Sometimes I get like raw gums and raw patches in my mouth from too much bladderwrack.
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I started having noticeable, miserable side effects about1 to 2 weeks after starting the diet. Helped pinpoint the foods I shouldn't have been eating!


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wizz,
perhaps you could narrow it down, by taking your secretor test when possible.


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wizz
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wizz,
perhaps you could narrow it down, by taking your secretor test when possible.


Yes I should look into that, but since I live in Jamaica I'm not sure how to go about it but I'll definitely do some research! Thanks for the advice!
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Quoted from wizz
I really don't wish to discuss this with my doctor as I don't want wish to hear any negativity on this topic.

Calling all A's!


Know how you feel!  Most 'outsiders' won't have a clue anyway and many I've met on other forums are so 'scientific' that they denigrate the whole theory/practice.
It often amuses me to read what others write about their food choices/health and try to guess their blood types- I'm right more often than chance might allow.

Joyce


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Wizz,  "nervous nelly."    Of course.  You're an A.  As you eat right and begin to learn to lower your cortisol levels, you'll relax a little.  The injustices of the world and stress in general really get some of us uptight.  The better you feel and the less poisons you eat, the more you'll be able to see the world as friend rather than foe.


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In my experience, yes, once you clean up your system w/ BTD, eating avoids again will def cause bad reactions. I just mentioned that to someone the other day. Everyone will be different in the effects. Sometimes an avoid, for me,  will cause almost instant problems........sometimes I might not see it until the next day. I try to steer clear so I don't have the worries.............not always successful, but I guess that's part of being human.  



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I am new at this, I Deirdre, I am a B I started the diet about a week ago, and have stomach pains about 2hours after I eat.  I just thought it was my medicine blood pressure and Thyoid, then I thought it was not enough water.  Does this pain ever go away?
Have had trouble giving up chicken, have a whold freezer full of it and have several loaves of bread. Sure hate to waste food. that two weeks ago I thought I was fine.

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Hi Deidre- Is this pain after every meal, or just after some meals.  Suggestion: Why don't you try keeping track or what you eat for the meal and if you have pain later note it and write where the pain is located, and how long does it stay.  Does a BM stop the pain, or increase it?  Try eating some beneficials at each meal, try eliminating avoids as soon as you could.  May make a difference.  You will learn as you go keep asking questions and we will try and help.
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Deirdre,
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get acquainted with the forum and all features
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Dear Deirdre: I too am a B/ Take it easy  on  yourself when it comes to  the chicken. We  are taught that this great white meat called chicken is so good for everyone. Well, I know for a fact that it is not. I started over 7 months ago  on BTD Diet, and I had to slowly cut back on chicken.  I added rabbit in slowly to my diet. I also added an extra fish meal to my weekly schedule.  Then I slowly changed my flours, and lastly the breads I ate.  I grew up on fried chicken every Sunday  and corn with mashed potatoes and lots of gravy made with corn starch.   Now 7 months later I won't touch chicken or gravy.   One of the benefits of following the BTD diet is I have loss alot of weight.   Back to your 1 st question though,  The stomach pains I had lasted for about 3 weeks, and slowly went away, I sipped on pineapple juice , eased some of the discomfort. I started slowly on cutting back on my avoids in my diet too, so I too am very new on the forum and love to hear from the team.
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In the past, many individuals on this forum have expressed that their bodies become more sensitive to certain avoids once they have practiced this lifestyle fairly compliantly.  

Some bodily reactions are more severe to certain foods.  Often it is with the top avoid food items amongst the blood groups such as [whole] wheat, dairy, corn by-products, red meat, chicken, nightshade vegetables, et al.

Alia



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Deirdre,
you might also want to read the tutorial for starts.....
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/1.htm


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Hm got me thinking:
I don´t think that I´m more sensitive today-
I am just used to: NOT feeling uncomfy/have pains/feeling tired.....

I think I used to think that is was normal to feel tired, feeling bloated having pains in my tummy etc
- but now after almost 8 years I know how it feels to be alive

Some avoids keep bothering more than others- and I noticed it more now since I normaly feel good.
Like chicken- it gave me constipation and tummyache- I just thought it was normal
- now I don´t eat chicken-  but last time I tried a small bite,  my special chicken pain came back
- it was like OH I used to feel this....


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