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Namelessfemm
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LR4T - suggests eating protien and carbs separately b/c they are digested at different rates...

Anyone out there stick to this on top of ETD?

Does it make a difference?

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food combining guidelines works for some.......
it is a personal matter really.
I eat my fruit away from my main meals, which contain protein most of the time...but I do eat carbs like sweet potato with my protein.

fruit is what I prefer eating alone.


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LR4T - suggests eating protien and carbs separately b/c they are digested at different rates...

Anyone out there stick to this on top of ETD?

Does it make a difference?

This made a difference when I started the diet, but now it no longer seems to...  
I eat meat, legumes, starchy vegetables and/or fruit all together now without any noticable problems.  Maybe my digestion is getting better?    


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This information was addressed in the blood type A section to promote better digestion and metabolism.

Separating grains and proteins does provide efficient digestion for some individuals.

Alia


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Oh man - now I'm going nuts.....as usual - Imma doin the O thing and reading 4 books at a time =T  and now I can't find where I read it....ahhhhhhhhhh!

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food combining guidelines works for some.......
it is a personal matter really.
I eat my fruit away from my main meals, which contain protein most of the time...but I do eat carbs like sweet potato with my protein.

fruit is what I prefer eating alone.


I was wondewring Lola ... do u eat all types of fruits alone even the very sweet ones such as dried figs, apricots ... etc ??

I was told once that it was best to eat very sweet fruits with a yogurt perhaps, this way it doesn't spike your blood sugar
Does this make sence to u ??
Thanks senorita  


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I eat fruit sparingly....
a bit of pineapple and papaya in the morning with linseed and chia, that s basically it.

perhaps a plum or two mid afternoon.
but my grapefruit, whole, at night, that s a real treat!!

don t have dried fruits in general, no.


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In addition to learning what foods are "good" for me, via this program, i've been following an alkaline way of eating.  70% at least, at each meal of alkaline foods.  I do NOT combine carbs with protein, and I eat fruit alone.

When eaten with other food groups, since most fruits are high in sugar and digest very quickly, they ferment inside the stomach because they can't be digested straight away because the stomach is busy processing the other food you have just eaten.  I ALWAYS eat fruit alone.  i wait at least an hour before eating anything else.  

Dont eat high-sugar fruits with anything else. Fruits in general are high in sugar levels, with the exception of avocados, tomatoes, lemons, limes, green, red and yellow bell peppers. If you combine high-sugar fruits with proteins, you create excess acidity in your stomach not a good thing. And if you combine them with starches (like pasta, potatoes, rice, etc.), you are adding sugar on top of sugar, again, not a good thing. In addition, because fruits digest very rapidly, you would be opening the door to fermentation right in your digestive tract. Finally, combining fruits with oils can lead to constipation and poor absorption of nutrients.

I also eat veggies with protein, and veggies with carbs, but i don't eat carbs with protein. Each different food has its own chemical composition, requires different enzymes for its proper digestion, and is digested in different areas of your digestive tract.

Starchy foods like rice, bread, and potatoes require an alkaline digestive medium, which is initially supplied by the enzyme ptyalin in the mouth. Protein foods like meat, dairy, nuts, and seeds on the other hand, require an acidic medium for digestion (created via hydrochloric acid and the enzyme pepsin).

According to basic chemical laws, acid and alkaline substances neutralize each other. That means that if you eat a protein with a starch (like steak and potatoes, or bagel and cheese), digestion is impaired and completely arrested.

That means that the undigested proteins will putrefy, and the undigested starches will ferment (a process catalyzed by lots of bacteria). This in turn gives rise to digestive disorders, gas, and heartburn.

Bottom line, how do you FEEL when you combine carbs with protein?  Let your body talk to ya!  



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Quoted from namelessfemm
LR4T - suggests eating protien and carbs separately b/c they are digested at different rates...^_^

Where in LR4YT does it suggest that?

Edited to add:  Now I see your later post in the thread where you say you can't remember where you read it.  I don't believe you read it in LR4YT, it must have been another book.  Far as I know, Dr. D. does not promote food combining (or non-combining *lol*).

If anything, when I choose to eat grains, I go out of my way to try to eat protein with them.  This is much better for my blood sugar steadiness.



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I eat fruit sparingly....
a bit of pineapple and papaya in the morning with linseed and chia, that s basically it.

perhaps a plum or two mid afternoon.
but my grapefruit, whole, at night, that s a real treat!!

don t have dried fruits in general, no.


What's chia ? a seed ? and is it ok for B's ?
I can't seem to find it anywhere  

Thank-u again  


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In addition to learning what foods are "good" for me, via this program, i've been following an alkaline way of eating.  70% at least, at each meal of alkaline foods.  I do NOT combine carbs with protein, and I eat fruit alone.

When eaten with other food groups, since most fruits are high in sugar and digest very quickly, they ferment inside the stomach because they can't be digested straight away because the stomach is busy processing the other food you have just eaten.  I ALWAYS eat fruit alone.  i wait at least an hour before eating anything else.  

Dont eat high-sugar fruits with anything else. Fruits in general are high in sugar levels, with the exception of avocados, tomatoes, lemons, limes, green, red and yellow bell peppers. If you combine high-sugar fruits with proteins, you create excess acidity in your stomach not a good thing. And if you combine them with starches (like pasta, potatoes, rice, etc.), you are adding sugar on top of sugar, again, not a good thing. In addition, because fruits digest very rapidly, you would be opening the door to fermentation right in your digestive tract. Finally, combining fruits with oils can lead to constipation and poor absorption of nutrients.

I also eat veggies with protein, and veggies with carbs, but i don't eat carbs with protein. Each different food has its own chemical composition, requires different enzymes for its proper digestion, and is digested in different areas of your digestive tract.

Starchy foods like rice, bread, and potatoes require an alkaline digestive medium, which is initially supplied by the enzyme ptyalin in the mouth. Protein foods like meat, dairy, nuts, and seeds on the other hand, require an acidic medium for digestion (created via hydrochloric acid and the enzyme pepsin).

According to basic chemical laws, acid and alkaline substances neutralize each other. That means that if you eat a protein with a starch (like steak and potatoes, or bagel and cheese), digestion is impaired and completely arrested.

That means that the undigested proteins will putrefy, and the undigested starches will ferment (a process catalyzed by lots of bacteria). This in turn gives rise to digestive disorders, gas, and heartburn.

Bottom line, how do you FEEL when you combine carbs with protein?  Let your body talk to ya!  






Very interesting perspective, thank-u very much  


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In addition to learning what foods are "good" for me, via this program, i've been following an alkaline way of eating.  70% at least, at each meal of alkaline foods.  I do NOT combine carbs with protein, and I eat fruit alone.

Where do we find out if foods are alkaline or acidic?  It would be great for us O's since we have excess stomach acid.....I think...

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Bottom line, how do you FEEL when you combine carbs with protein?  Let your body talk to ya!    

Well it's only been a couple of days - but it seems that protein holds me over oh so well throughout the morning and into the afternoon - esp with my green tea =)

but as the day goes on I get hungrier and hungrier - if I have lunch at 1 or 2 then I'll get hungry by 5-ish.....I don't understand it....maybe my body's still adjusting...

but so far when I do mix carbs with protein it makes me feel full and satisfied - I think it's all mental....I'm so confused....

but I will PRESS ON~!!!

^_^

ps -->  what do you eat nuts with?



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Where do we find out if foods are alkaline or acidic?  It would be great for us O's since we have excess stomach acid.....I think...

http://www.trans4mind.com/nutrition/pH.html

this is a good site...there are LOTS of sites, just do a search with ACID/ALKALINE diet lots of info will pop up!  i eat basically 70-80% alkaline, 20% acid...at each meal.  

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the btd guidelines are balanced for each type, already.

remember each blood type is different and thus, foods act in different ways in each organism.

what is acid to me, may not be so for an A, for example.


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the btd guidelines are balanced for each type, already.

you mean as far as acidity and alkalinity?  I'm an A, and if i eat carbs and protein together, i can feel it, it's horrible.  i get bloated and gassy... i guess it's just how soemthing makes you feel...
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A s with digestive issues are advised to follow separation diet guidelines.
starches away from proteins.....

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Some aspects of the alkaline-acid ash theory are useful, but as with 'food-combining' much of these concerns were just built into the diet structure of the BTD to the extent (different for different types) than they were necessary.


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the btd guidelines are balanced for each type, already.

you mean as far as acidity and alkalinity? I'm an A, and if i eat carbs and protein together, i can feel it, it's horrible. i get bloated and gassy... i guess it's just how soemthing makes you feel...


Ah - makes more sense....I think I'm beginning to understand....

TANKS to everyones input on this topic~!!

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the btd guidelines are balanced for each type, already.

remember each blood type is different and thus, foods act in different ways in each organism.

what is acid to me, may not be so for an A, for example.


Lola - I'm sure you've heard this a many MANY times - but I'll have to say it here one more time - Thank you so much for all the time and consideration you so generously give here....I truley appreciate it - as does everyone else....

Yes, the book and Dr D has opened the door to my this new life...but it's this forum that has encouraged me, fired me up, given me so much appliable Knowledge....

How does one say thank you so many times w/o letting it fall on deaf ears?

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Digestion sure is an individual issue.  I don't eat much grains anymore, so they are not a concern.  I always eat sweet potatoes or baked squashes with protein.  If I eat carbs alone, it messes up my blood sugar level.  I don't eat any dried fruits on a daily basis.  They are just too concentrated for my body.

Fresh fruits go into my morning smoothie with ground flax, super green powders and yogurt.  I digest that mixture very well and it satisfies my appetite for hours.  

My biggest meal of the day is mid-day and is always meat and non-starchy vegetables of a great variety.  That digests very well, but without the carbs, I notice that I am hungry again in 3 hours.  My breakfast smoothie, on the other hand, sticks with me for 5 hours.



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Thanks Victoria~!!   And to everyone who took some time to share here....I finally finally finally get it....I will find what works for me by listening to my body - and use the ETD as flexible guidelines...

Don't know if it's true for most O's - but ...I needed this one drilled into my head a bit =D

Loving my new Lifestyle~~~~~~

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In addition to learning what foods are "good" for me, via this program, i've been following an alkaline way of eating. 70% at least, at each meal of alkaline foods. I do NOT combine carbs with protein, and I eat fruit alone.

When eaten with other food groups, since most fruits are high in sugar and digest very quickly, they ferment inside the stomach because they can't be digested straight away because the stomach is busy processing the other food you have just eaten. I ALWAYS eat fruit alone. i wait at least an hour before eating anything else.

Dont eat high-sugar fruits with anything else. Fruits in general are high in sugar levels, with the exception of avocados, tomatoes, lemons, limes, green, red and yellow bell peppers. If you combine high-sugar fruits with proteins, you create excess acidity in your stomach not a good thing. And if you combine them with starches (like pasta, potatoes, rice, etc.), you are adding sugar on top of sugar, again, not a good thing. In addition, because fruits digest very rapidly, you would be opening the door to fermentation right in your digestive tract. Finally, combining fruits with oils can lead to constipation and poor absorption of nutrients.

I also eat veggies with protein, and veggies with carbs, but i don't eat carbs with protein. Each different food has its own chemical composition, requires different enzymes for its proper digestion, and is digested in different areas of your digestive tract.

Starchy foods like rice, bread, and potatoes require an alkaline digestive medium, which is initially supplied by the enzyme ptyalin in the mouth. Protein foods like meat, dairy, nuts, and seeds on the other hand, require an acidic medium for digestion (created via hydrochloric acid and the enzyme pepsin).

According to basic chemical laws, acid and alkaline substances neutralize each other. That means that if you eat a protein with a starch (like steak and potatoes, or bagel and cheese), digestion is impaired and completely arrested.

That means that the undigested proteins will putrefy, and the undigested starches will ferment (a process catalyzed by lots of bacteria). This in turn gives rise to digestive disorders, gas, and heartburn.

Bottom line, how do you FEEL when you combine carbs with protein? Let your body talk to ya!





This is very interesting Brian, thank you. I generally eat fruit on it's on in the am only, but I must try the no carbs with protein and see how I feel.

Laura


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Hello Everybody!

This is such an interesting thread: thank you all for the great tips and insights.

What I read made me think of a little issue that I've got.  I do try to eat carbs and proteins separately, although not having carbs in a meal usually leaves me a bit dissatisfied and feeling slightly hungry.

My main point, though, is that I often crave something sweet at the end of a meal.  If fruit is not an option, what would you suggest?  I don't know whether it's because of the bad habits of the past, but I find it quite difficult not having a tiny bit of dessert at the end of a main meal...
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Itita, if your allowed dark chocolate being an A,  you can eat one or two squares a day (remember calories if trying to lose weight) or you can chop it and add to very hot water, like a chocolate drink, does not need sweetener.  
    You may use cocoa in hot water, or as a flour substitute, if compliant.

Walmart is suppose to be carrying chocolate morsals in dark choclate now, no milk added.  Top you meal with a teaspoon full.  or mix with compliant nut, if you need to watch glucose level.

now if you don't like or can't have chocolate.  How about baking a batch of meringue kisses.
egg white, sweetener you can have and a flavor you like.  Bake at low temp til dry.  Store in tightly covered container.  I don't have an exact recipe.  
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