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Namelessfemm
Tuesday, May 1, 2007, 8:23pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi ALL~!!

I come to this forum with a hoopla of mixed emotions - HOPE, relief, excitement, confusion.....nothing new to most of you, I'm sure   I've tried sooooooo many other conventional and "natural" remedies with no avail - I am hoping with all my being that this is my last stop.  So - I apoligize for the obvious/repetitive questions and I very, veeeeeeery much appreciate all your responses....here we go....

I am a 30 yr Asian female O type - who's main issue is constipation & bloating - I feel as tho this is the source problem for my acne, fatigue, lack of concentration/memory, apathy (sometimes) and of course "food coma".  I've had GI issues for most of my life but the past year has been ridiculous - ex: a couple of times in the beginning my husband thought I was pregnant b/c I was so extremely bloated    I don't think I have diverticulosis but who knows....

I just got LR4T -am trying to get the Secretor test (I'm in NY) - and started the O diet today~!!  Yay!  Will also pick up ARA6 and ghee today.

* How am I supposed to take the ghee?  With food? or no?

* I've stayed away from bananas - apparently it constipates some - being a RN I thought you were supposed to eat bananas when you had diarrhea due to electrolyte loss...any thoughts?

* why are there so many discrepancies b2n ER4T, LR4T, and the Food/Bev/Supp List?  How does the catergory for a certain food change?

* Is there a way to see the most current up2 date list for a specific type beside looking up one food at a time on TypeBase4?

* Can an O drink a white wine/champagne that is made from red grapes?

* When I do decide to spurlge one day is there anything I can do before I intake carbs, dairy, or an Avoid?

It's so funny to hear so many O's were veg. or vegan - jus like me.....I will miss my bread and cheese and wine....oh well - you eat to live, not live to eat, right?  =D

Thank you Thank you Thank you for all your responses....

Eagerly Waiting,

* J ^_^
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Hello there. I'll see if I can come up with a few answers for you. Eat Right For your type is the oldest book. New research refined the lists in LRFYT including breaking it down into secretor and nonsecretor lists. Because there is continous research going on the newest values can be checked at typebase(see the icon at the top of the page). About ghee most people take it with food unless they have a leaky gut. BTW you can make your own ghee cheaper, just put a pound of unsalted butter in a casserole dish, bake at 350F for one hour and filter through a paper coffee filter. Unfortunately according to typebase you can't have white wine only red. Banannas are listed as beneficial for O's. Never heard that they constipate. When tempted to splurge eat protein especially wild salmon. Don't forget to exercise. Finally the bloating should go down when corn and wheat are cut out.
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Namelessfemm
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Thanks for your reply Gulf Coast Guy~!!

Leaky gut, eh?  Might have that too....

and I do workout everyday~!!  =D  will have to see what specifically LR4T says tho...

Thanks for the info - very mucho appreciate~!!  Is the ghee messy?  What are you filtering out anyway?

* J ^_^
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Hello Namelessfemm, here's a link for the thread called 'All you ever need to know about Ghee...'. CLICK. And welcome; glad you found us.


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I am hoping with all my being that this is my last stop.


Chances are it may be it. As the song goes, "You may check out but never leave."

Once you try it you are hooked. My very best wishes for you on this new adventure.

Gulfcoastguy basically answered all your questions. I just wanted to welcome you to this forum, the BTD and wishing you my best.

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* When I do decide to spurlge one day is there anything I can do before I intake carbs, dairy, or an Avoid?


You may want to check the icon on top "NAP" for a product called Deflect.




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Welcome aboard, Namelessfemm!

There are no printable lists on-line in TypeBase4 because of copyright rules etc.
I've made my own lists by typing the lists from LR4YT and cross checking the values with TypeBase4. It's of course time consuming, but actually a great exercise because you get to remember the food-values much better when you have worked through the lists a few times while typing and cross checking..

(I would offer you my lists, but they're in Danish! )


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OMG~!!  Thank you all for your replies~!!  I feel so welcomed~!!  ;>  

I can see from the signatures - big dreams....abraham....that I am among like-minded friends - what more could I ask for today?

With much Sincere Gratitude,

* J  ^_^
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Nameless,
Hi and welcome! You're in the right place here; very supportive folks on here...without them, where would I be....

Just want to tell you and all other NY'ers, I have found a way to get the secretor test kit shipped to me, and got instructions on how to return it.....no need to ship to an address outside of NY...I am exhausted now...but within the next 24 hours I will post the phone no. to call to order your kit.
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* why are there so many discrepancies b2n ER4T, LR4T, and the Food/Bev/Supp List?  How does the catergory for a certain food change?

* Can an O drink a white wine/champagne that is made from red grapes?

* When I do decide to spurlge one day is there anything I can do before I intake carbs, dairy, or an Avoid?


Welcome to this lifestyle, Namelessfemm.

Q. 1: http://www.dadamo.com/errata/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1075206425

Q. 2: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?455

Q. 3: If one chooses to eat avoids, the NAP ABO blood specific Deflect can help undo ingesting avoid foods:
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT004

This product is not tool to utilize to eat avoid foods, but it can assist with some of the lectin damage.  The therapetic dosage is two capsules after a meal.  One can safeguard themselves by taking two capsules prior to eating an avoid meal, as well.  

Alia


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You won't really miss your bread and cheese once you get used to the new lifestyle, and that will take a few months, really, all of it label-reading and head buzzing with new foods to choose from. We don't beat ourselves up much for cheating, our bodies do it for us! After a while, you learn how much cheating you can get away with and how much you can't. Some avoids will turn out to hit you hard , others may not bother you noticeably (tho they're usually causing some mischief inside) You end up tailoring the diet to suit your health issues and personal tastes


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* How am I supposed to take the ghee?  With food? or no?

I use ghee for any frying or sauteing or plain for gut issues...  Olive oil for salad dressing.


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Welcome Namelessfemm!
Did you say details?
I know that just beginining this path to selecting and eating more  of the better things is daunting. I was nearly fifty before I really started to concentrate on things strongly suggested. I know doing so has helped me immensly. If you read avidly, all the books will provide you with great insights even though there are accumulated discrepancies. The premium in this parodox for me  is that it has evolved so much since the first book and while some might quibble with the notion that it wasn't ready for prime time or something like that in the face of all the improved refinements it is really outstanding in my opinion that nothing was ever written in stone, just eloquent suggestions that granted flexible routes to better living. Here's an Idea for the "typebase research" Look up all the things you like to eat and and generally have eaten all your life. Try to register these in your mind as they now are presented to "suit you" Say Goodbye to all the avoids until you really feel better. You probably won't even feel like going back but if you do your body will help you listen better this time! I think that much is important. Don't worry as much about neutrals but don't load up on them either. Get a firm hold of the beneficial tigers and don't let go. The ride will get better and better if you do. Some people have mentioned cleanout troubles and that might happen to you some too but it should pass soon. This is a great forum. The support here is unparalleled in my experience. A truly bright spot in cyberspace. I am so greatfull that there is such a "place" to refer to.  The typebase is a kind of self testing facility. You will know you're getting further along when you seem to remember "other bloodtype" avoids and beneficials and can say with confidence to friends and aquaintances little tidbits they should get to be aware of that might help them. It becomes a passion at least it has been that way for me. I still mention after two years eating this way, plenty of details  to folks because it seems to me to tie into so much of what make sense to me these days about all of us. Here's a major detail for you: In one of the books the role of suitable foods and the long term functioning of the kidneys was revealed to me. That really crystalized my focus on why in a big way. It goes beyond day to day "reactions" It really makes me wonder at the resiliancy of the body in spite of poor nutrition too. A life lived so far with a slowly clogging kidney for no other reason than eating way too much of the wrong foods. Birth 100% death 30% And all the so called problems besetting the life form along the way. These organs really need to work at 100% (sure you get two to start with if you are lucky) We can really help ourselves if we think and learn to respect this particular hidden  rarely mentioned dynamic in diet.
iemnli


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iemnli,
great way of putting it into words!
I have send your post to my mom, who has lots of kidney problems and doesn t listen to me, perhaps she ll listen to you!!!
thanks again!


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Norwalk Natural Foods ships secretor tests to NY. Their phone no. 203-838-2727
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Ooo THANK YOU All for your time and helpful info~!!

Diffy - thank you so much - will order todayyyyyyyyyyy~!!
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Hey Drea,

I checked out that site - but couldnt' get a video clip - it was more like a search enegine =(
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Thanks for the links Alia =D  v. much appreciate the direct links!
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Quoted from osuzanna
We don't beat ourselves up much for cheating, our bodies do it for us! )


- so true~!!  
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Quoted from ieatmeatnlikeit
just eloquent suggestions that granted flexible routes to better living......This is a great forum. The support here is unparalleled in my experience. A truly bright spot in cyberspace. I am so greatfull that there is such a "place" to refer to.  iemnli


Oh so Perfectly said~!

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Hi ALL~!!

WELCOME, namelessfemm!
Quoted from namelessfemm
I come to this forum with a hoopla of mixed emotions - HOPE, relief, excitement, confusion.....nothing new to most of you, I'm sure   I've tried sooooooo many other conventional and "natural" remedies with no avail - I am hoping with all my being that this is my last stop.

Sweetie, this is your last stop.  Because you have come "home" to your native diet, the diet you were born to thrive on.  As a fellow previous trier of other diets, all of which just rendered me fat, craving and tired, I can tell you honestly and confidently that this one is very different.  I've been on the thaaang since 1997, so I know whereof I speak.  Other diets are, as Dr. D. terms it, "reductionist" in nature.  That is to say, they take a one-size-fits-all approach.  But this diet is in a league of its own.  It takes a nutrigenomic approach, i.e., it is customized to provide your body with foods that harmonize ideally with your own hardwiring.  These foods will minimize your innate weaknesses and maximize your innate strengths.  Result:  balance.  More precious than gold, that.

If I'm gushing, it is because the thrill of this here diet never gets old.  The novelty never wears off.
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I am a 30 yr Asian female O type - who's main issue is constipation & bloating - I feel as tho this is the source problem for my acne, fatigue, lack of concentration/memory, apathy (sometimes) and of course "food coma".

Again, you are in the right place.  The BTD will normalize your digestion.  btw, in the book you have, LR4YT, there is a major typo regarding the suggested fruit and veg portions for all types.  The recommended portion amounts should read per DAY, not per WEEK, so feel free to have more fruits and veg than that typo would suggest.  Very important for your healthy digestion.

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* How am I supposed to take the ghee?  With food? or no?

Ghee is clarified butter, and you can use it just as you would butter.  It makes an excellent cooking fat for stir-fries, or you can drizzle it onto a nice piece of fish, or onto compliant toast or a sweet potato--again, wherever you would use butter or oil.
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I've stayed away from bananas - apparently it constipates some - being a RN I thought you were supposed to eat bananas when you had diarrhea due to electrolyte loss...any thoughts?

Well, if you are sure they constipate you, then continue to avoid them, but they are beneficial for us O's so if, once you establish your "baseline" on the BTD, you try introducing bananas back into your diet again and you find they agree with you, go for them!  What do I mean by "baseline"?  Well, many of us find to our surprise when we get into a groove on the BTD, that we feel much better than ever before in our lives.  We didn't even KNOW that was how you could feel!  I never even realized, for example, that wheat caused me all the trouble it did, until I eliminated it from my diet.  Now if I eat it, BOY do I realize what I used to feel like all the time--wild, wild stuff.  The flip side of that is, some people find that foods they thought gave them trouble really weren't the culprit afterall.  Maybe bananas will be like that for you.  Maybe once you are feeling better on the BTD, you will find that bananas are no prob.  If, however, you find you want to continue avoiding bananas, don't worry about the electrolyte thing if you have diarrhea (which you won't anymore at that point, due to being on the BTD, but anyhoo...).  You can get electrolytes from other foods, no problema.
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why are there so many discrepancies b2n ER4T, LR4T, and the Food/Bev/Supp List?  How does the catergory for a certain food change?

Well, there really aren't that many changes between the books.  This diet is evolving and also getting refined based on the science itself evolving.  For example, between the first book, ER4YT and the second one, LR4YT, there were changes due to the refinements for non-secretors.  But not that many foods changed for secretors.  One I can think of that did makes my point about our evolving knowledge:  sunflower seeds.  Tragically, though these were neutral in ER4YT for O's, now they are avoids.  Why?  Because through further, more refined testing, Dr. D. discovered that there is a lectin in sunflower seeds that doesn't agree with O's.  Dang it!  I am still demanding a recount on that one, but to no avail.  But you get my point, as our knowledge expands and is refined, some foods do change status...but not too many.  On the plus side for moi, avocados--an avoid in ER4YT--shot all the way up to beneficial once the non-secretor refinements came into play:  wu HUUUUUU!
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Is there a way to see the most current up2 date list for a specific type beside looking up one food at a time on TypeBase4?

Typebase is the most up-to-date source for food ratings on the BTD.
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Can an O drink a white wine/champagne that is made from red grapes?

Wow, great question!  I don't know the answer (lol), but it is a great question!  In general, if the specific ingredient(s) in a given item is/are beneficial and/or neutral, you should be in the clear to go for it.
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When I do decide to spurlge one day is there anything I can do before I intake carbs, dairy, or an Avoid?

YES, as far as wheat lectin is concerned.  Order yourself some "Deflect" from the NAP section of this site.*  It binds to the wheat lectin and carries most of it harmlessly out of your body.  Far as other avoids, eat 'em at your own risk, sadly.  And I hasten to add, that definitely goes for wheat, too, even with the Deflect.  Deflect is more like an emergency "morning after" (or right before!) pill.  It will mitigate the damage, but the ideal is definitely to avoid wheat at all costs.  Wheat is THE biggie for us O's, avoid-wise.
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It's so funny to hear so many O's were veg. or vegan - jus like me.....I will miss my bread and cheese and wine....oh well - you eat to live, not live to eat, right?  =D

Giiiiirl, after ump-de-ump years on this diet, I just have one, life-changing kernal to impart to you:  Sami's millet and flax bread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  (http://www.samisbakery.com/pd_specs2.asp?p_id=13).  After all this time on the BTD, I only discovered this bread this year.  Oh, the humanity.

Again, a warm WELCOME!  

* Deflect is the ideal form of glucosamine for this.  However, in a pinch, you can take regular glucosamine sulfate, it will help, too.


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Nameless....and other NY'ers.....ask Norwalk for special instructions on shipping back the test....I was told to NOT write my NY address as the 'return address', rather put NOrth American Pharmacal, 213 Danbury Road; Wilton, CT 06897, or any other non-NY address.  (NOrth American Pharmacal is the one who referred me to Norwalk Natural Foods) My test arrived today....yippee hurray.....

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thanks for the tip!


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Hello Namelessfemm, It is nice to meet you.

I also have great difficulty with constipation and bloating.  Only on the diet for 2 weeks now and a great deal of the bloating has diminished.  

And OH MY GOD!!  it is wonderful to eat MEAT
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P.S.  Nameless, I forgot to say, re missing cheese:  If you are a secretor (and about 85% of the population is, so here's hopin'...), you may have goat cheese.  Until recently, when my local HFS expanded (can I get an "Amen!"?), they only had one variety of goat cheese, which was a heavenly, semi-soft, herbed goat cheese, similar in taste and texture to Boursin, if you have ever had that.  But there are as many varieties of goat cheese as there are of cow's cheese.  Whole Foods--and since you are in NYC, you are near several, you lucky pup, you!!!--has at least seven varieties of goat cheese.

About missing favorite avoids:  one of the many FAB things about the BTD is, you will learn that for just about everything you feel right now that you are going to dearly miss and/or that you feel you can't live without, there is not only an alternative on the BTD, but usually it is way BETTER than the original item!!!  So hang in there, post here often with any questions that arise, and enjoy the beautiful and amazing ride.  


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Ooo Diffy Thank you so much for the info - I just ordered~!!

Hope you're a secretor....sounds a lil pervy, huh?

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Becky, that's GREAT - I can't wait to get there toooooooo =)

today is my second day - and it's weirddddddddddddd - I'm hungry ALL the time...only made minor changes these two days but....I think my body's ready for drastic changes...

Did you notice anything right off the bat?

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Peppermint Twist~!!!!  Man you're like the sister I never had~!!   - and you would fit riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight in - and  yes, that is a TOTAL complemennt - New York being the coolest city that is  

Thank you so much for you detailed response - just what I needed today - I laughed the whole way thru  

I can't wait to feel the LR4T "high" you're talking about~!!!  

Ooo the Sami bread looks like REAL bread!!  The manna bread I like a lot - but it's not bread - it's more like sweet oatmeal -   - just got it yesterday - thank the Heaven's for that and sweet potato - that goat cheese, red wine, and this sacred forum will save me on this diet~!!

Thanks again Hunnie Bunnie~!!!  

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I found myself hungry at the start of the program....but quickly learned that I need to feed my body lots of filling proteins and veggies etc. I eat approx. every 3hours....almond butter is filling....nuts....baked wild salmon....meats.....all with veggie sides....
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every 3hours?  Holy Camoly~!  And you didn't gain weight?

I'm having a hard time right now - I know it'll pass.....I usually have a whey protein shake for breakfast and would like to keep my regimen but a beef shake just doesn't sound tasty =T
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Regarding the wine question:
I like red wine. Never felt great with white. I read somewhere that both red and white are pressed from "red" grapes. The difference is that the skins are kept on for the press of Red wine . I'm no wine  expert but that's what I heard. Perhaps someone who knows will chime in on this to clear up your question. In the mean time I just keep the dark fruit color guide in mind. Plums, blueberies, red wine! (in moderation) etc. The skin in these fruits seems to have some great things to offer paricularly if organic. Don't give up the shlep!(?) As far as finding what you need and where to get it!
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Whoa, you shouldn't feel hungry all the time on the BTD.  Even at first, when you are transitioning onto the diet and some folks do experience some not-so-great effects during the transition itself (then again, many of us experience nothing but wonderful effects from the git-go), hunger is usually not one of them.  In fact, the O diet with all its nutrient-dense protein should quell your hunger almost instantaneously.  So, if you are feeling very hungry, let me ask ya:

1.  Are you eating enough protein?  You should really be eating beneficial meat/fish at every meal.  I mean, it doesn't have to be EVERY meal, but just about.  It doesn't have to be a lot of meat--just about the size of your fist, or about 6 to 8 oz--but you need to get it in there.

2.  Are you rounding out the diet with plenty of vegetables and fruits?  Load up on greens/salads, broccoli, beneficial berries/fruit smoothies, etc.

3.  Are you drinking enough water?

If you are hungry all the time, I tend to think you are either eating not enough protein, most likely, or it also could be that you are cutting too far back on the beneficial carbohydrates, the living ones, the grain-free ones, i.e., dark-leafy green veggies, other colorful veggies, and fruits.  You can also add some sweet potatos and other root veggies to give you that "carby full" feeling you might miss when transitioning off of nutritionally-empty starches like wheat flour.

I don't agree at all that you need to eat every three hours.  I think that the O diet is so nutrient-dense that about three meals per day should do ya.  It is the Type A diet and Type A's who tend, in general, to do better with smaller, more frequent meals.  They are "grazers", whereas us O's come from a long line of "feast or famine" genes.  We don't really usually (though this varies by individual) do best on 5 or 6 mini-meals per day, we usually do better on 2 or 3 regular-sized meals, maybe with a light snack (like whole fruit) here or there in between.

As for the bread sitch, the Sami's millet and flax is SO great for sandwiches.  I wish I had discovered this years ago, as the no sandwich thing was really a challenging part of the O nonnie diet.  There is one other bread for sale in the HFS that I LOVE, called "French Meadows 100% rye", but you must keep it frozen and you must toast it before eating it.  Therefore, even though that rye is far superior in terms of a truly delicious, artisan/peasant bread, I prefer the Sami's for CONVENIENCE!  I keep it in the fridge, but I think you don't even have to do that, I think it is shelf stable for a week or so anyway.  It adds a significant amount of convenience to my life, to be able to throw together a sandwich again...

...Where was I?  Between the end of that paragraph and this, a few hours have elapsed!  Work is wack today and Temptation Island (TI), this huge "work surface" that the QA Managers here fill to the brim with avoids periodically for birthdays, etc., is in full swing with a new twist today:  They now are suddenly huffy at other departments for always coming here and partaking, so they have decided that P-Twist here should simply tell everyone who tries to partake "NO, get away from there, no soup for you!"  Well, that is the last straw for moi.  I have sent an e-mail to my boss and, when she gets out of her meetings today, I'm TELLING her that she is moving me to a different cubicle.  PERIOD.  But meanwhile, back at the inn, where the flip was I with this post?

Basically:

1.  Eat protein to avoid hunger, rounded out with as many beneficial veggies and fruits as your heart desires, and you can throw some neutrals in there, too, if'n you get the notion.  Variety is the spice of life!

2.  Bread:  The French Meadows 100% rye w/flaxseed is ...(day-ummm, another herd of people just galumped over here and I'm supposed to tell them all they can't have any of this food?  This is INSANITY...but I digress...) delicious for toast.  For sandwiches, use the Sami's millet and flax.  Always read labels, especially on breads, because the French Meadows also makes a "Rice Bread" that is mostly made from whole wheat *rolling eyes*.

3.  Hope you are loving it so far, nameless!


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Okay - let it be said~!!  You should be a blogger - reading you always make me lol at least once~!
You have a great go-with-the-flow but be on top of your game Attitude and I LOVE it~!!

Big high 5 to you P. twist - with many thanks...

I AM beginning to love it...i had a BM (bowel movem) today~!!  woo hoooooo partaaaaaaaay~!

I am adding more protein - was only doing 4 - 5 oz - oh and does the seltzer count as our water intake?  I do lemon/lime water and selzter....

soooo just to really really get it in my head....s. potato and manna bread without any alist like barley (i'm not gluten intol) is okay to eat everyday???  It's too good to be true~!!  Of course I will see  how I feel - but it's a Benf - so we O's can have it often, yesh?

I can't wait to get my sec test - I am going to DO this - once i get that determined - I plan to do all Beneficials and v. lil neut. and of course no a-list items....

I can't wait~!!  Thank you ALL so much for your time and responses - it truly does keep us newbies fired up, motivated, energiezed, and feeling oh so loved & cared about.....

hey if I can't have corn....
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Okay - let it be said~!!  You should be a blogger - reading you always make me lol at least once~!
You have a great go-with-the-flow but be on top of your game Attitude and I LOVE it~!!

Thank you *blushing*!  But you wouldn't say that I'm on the top of my game if you know how far off the rails I unceremoniously jumped today at work.  Long story, but oh dear, I will be paying for this for a long time...and it wasn't even worth it, AT ALL.  All the avoids I ate today were just total junk.  I prefer the pure, high-quality, nutrient-dense, chi-laden, whole, natural, type-friendly fare I normally dine upon to this tempting yet devoid-o-life SWILL.  ...Yet, I dove in today.  The stars were aligned just right...or wrong, and in I plunged.

 Don't let this happen to you!  Resist!

Meanwhile, this was the last straw and I talked to my boss.  She is looking into me moving to the next-door cube, which they can reconfigure so that the opening is on the other side from Temptation Island.  Oh joy, oh rapture!  I resent that I can't stay in my nice, big cubicle (this other one is littler) because of how idiotic the whole TI thing has gotten, but it is what it is.  Things ARE this idiotic, so am I going to subject myself to it or move?  MOVE!  It was bad enough being the hostess with the mostess, but now that they want me to be a bulldog, shoeing people away?  Fuggedaboutit.  As my boss said, oh no, that's not your job.

So, new cubicle for P-Twist (probably, the boss just has to check with her higher ups).  Big doings.  I won't have to contend with TI anymore.  Oh, happy day!

But I digress...sorry, where were we?  I'm full of wheat lectin now and very confused and disoriented.  Funny, a very close BTD bud who shall remain nameless (but it isn't "nameless" *lol*!!!!  It is someone else!) went off the rails earlier this week and I felt so bad for her, and I thought, whew, I'm so glad I'm in a solid place right now with the diet.  Not two days later, BOOM, I've jumped the rails.  Day-uuum, what a world.
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...oh and does the seltzer count as our water intake?  I do lemon/lime water and selzter....

Absolutely! seltzer counts as water and it is beneficial for O's!!!  Adding lemon/lime is excellent, good work, new pup!
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soooo just to really really get it in my head....s. potato and manna bread without any alist like barley (i'm not gluten intol) is okay to eat everyday???  It's too good to be true~!!  Of course I will see  how I feel - but it's a Benf - so we O's can have it often, yesh?

Surely!  btw, if you are not into gluten, disregard my recommendation for the 100% rye with flaxseed, it has gluten galore.
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I can't wait to get my sec test - I am going to DO this - once i get that determined - I plan to do all Beneficials and v. lil neut. and of course no a-list items....

Well, I don't want to curb your enthusiasm, but if you find that doing all beneficials and no neutrals is too challenging, do allow yourself some neutral items.  They can be very important to providing you with the variety that will make this sustainable over the long run.  That said, you have the right idea with emphasizing beneficials!
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I can't wait~!!  Thank you ALL so much for your time and responses - it truly does keep us newbies fired up, motivated, energiezed, and feeling oh so loved & cared about.....

You are very welcome.  Those of us who have benefited so much from the BTD and been helped along so much by veterans just want to return the favor by helping newbies.  We were all newbies once.  So feel free to ask questions and share your triumphs and challenges.  Cafe BTD is always open.  And it is smoke-free, too!


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I was being generous when I said I eat every three hours....often it is every two hours...I don't eat much at a time....two weeks on the program....losing unwanted inches....need to get smaller size bra  .....feeling more energized....
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nameless and diffy, welcome!
Namelessfem, if you are used to smoothies for brkfst, get some egg white powder...I use a brand called Simply Whites, it is all protein, suitable for O's....makes a great smoothie with banana, etc.
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Nameless,

bladderwrack is an amazing treatment for constipation.
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Thank you Peppermint Twist~!  So sorry to hear about the drama at work.....but you know the Law of Rhythm - what goes up has to come down and vice versa - let's hope that the up part happens sooner than later....

I'm just so grateful today that Peppermint Twist is an O like meeeeeeeeeee - really thank you for everything.... the Law of Reciprosity - I'm sure the kindness you give out is right around the corner for YOU~!!       I know - I'm a big Nerd =D

oh and - yea you know us O's we tend to get excited a bit - a bit extreme at times....i'm sure I'll have neutrals alot more than i think ....=P

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Jayney-O~!!  You saved my morning regimen~!!!  

May the gods reward you handsomely~!!!  lol

Thank you Thank you Thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

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Constipation relief?  WHERE?  WHERE?!?!!?  BLADDERWRACK??  What the wrack is that???  (i'm a big corn-ball~!!)

Ooooooooooooh - the stuff in Jones Beach - greaaaaaaaaaaaate...

has any other backedup O have success with it?  powder?  pills?

Presently - I'm taking the Larch powder and flax seeds (soaked overnight) as suggested in LR4T

Thanks mUcho Ronagon~!!
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Oh Diffy I know - the [/b]tragedy [b]- that is my ONLY complaint about wt loss.....boob loss....

Um, I may be mistaken but eating every 2 hrs might be a bit stressful for your stomach and GI system.....but I guess if it works for you...it's great that your eating and enjoying and getting healthier and losing wt~!

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NAP also has a protein powder that you could use for your morning smoothies.  The O one is egg based or just have some eggs scrambled in ghee for breakfast - yum!  I have that several times a week with a tiny slice of carrot and raisin manna bread and a little almond butter.  Really holds me for a long time....or and this is something I learned to love from Peppermint Twist - a little nutritional yeast sprinkled on the eggs for energy>
Welcome and good luck.  I've been around for about 10 years now and it's really a way of life.
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Nutritional Yeast?  is that Brewers Yeast?  Where does an O find N. yeast?

Is this the closest I'll get to my beer?  =T

^_^ - it's ok b/c I FEEL GREAT~!!

P. Twist - I think today I felt the "high" you spoke of - oh my- it's like I've been drinking a gigantic cup of coffee all day long - without the jitters...is this it?  Is this how life if supposed to be?  This is the first time I've felt like this w/o coffee or pills - and IT'S ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

My hubby and I would actually fight b4 and after marriage b/c I slept so much - he just thought I was lazy!  

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a few brands
Lewis Labs Brewer's Yeast
Red Star nutritional yeast
KAL nutritional yeast flakes


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Ah - so it is the Brewers....Thank you Lola~!!  You're like a walking talking breathing LR4T Encyclopedia~!!

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