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Namelessfemm
Wednesday, May 2, 2007, 8:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Ooo Diffy Thank you so much for the info - I just ordered~!!

Hope you're a secretor....sounds a lil pervy, huh?

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Namelessfemm
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Becky, that's GREAT - I can't wait to get there toooooooo =)

today is my second day - and it's weirddddddddddddd - I'm hungry ALL the time...only made minor changes these two days but....I think my body's ready for drastic changes...

Did you notice anything right off the bat?

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Peppermint Twist~!!!!  Man you're like the sister I never had~!!   - and you would fit riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight in - and  yes, that is a TOTAL complemennt - New York being the coolest city that is  

Thank you so much for you detailed response - just what I needed today - I laughed the whole way thru  

I can't wait to feel the LR4T "high" you're talking about~!!!  

Ooo the Sami bread looks like REAL bread!!  The manna bread I like a lot - but it's not bread - it's more like sweet oatmeal -   - just got it yesterday - thank the Heaven's for that and sweet potato - that goat cheese, red wine, and this sacred forum will save me on this diet~!!

Thanks again Hunnie Bunnie~!!!  

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I found myself hungry at the start of the program....but quickly learned that I need to feed my body lots of filling proteins and veggies etc. I eat approx. every 3hours....almond butter is filling....nuts....baked wild salmon....meats.....all with veggie sides....
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Namelessfemm
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every 3hours?  Holy Camoly~!  And you didn't gain weight?

I'm having a hard time right now - I know it'll pass.....I usually have a whey protein shake for breakfast and would like to keep my regimen but a beef shake just doesn't sound tasty =T
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Regarding the wine question:
I like red wine. Never felt great with white. I read somewhere that both red and white are pressed from "red" grapes. The difference is that the skins are kept on for the press of Red wine . I'm no wine  expert but that's what I heard. Perhaps someone who knows will chime in on this to clear up your question. In the mean time I just keep the dark fruit color guide in mind. Plums, blueberies, red wine! (in moderation) etc. The skin in these fruits seems to have some great things to offer paricularly if organic. Don't give up the shlep!(?) As far as finding what you need and where to get it!
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Peppermint Twist
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Whoa, you shouldn't feel hungry all the time on the BTD.  Even at first, when you are transitioning onto the diet and some folks do experience some not-so-great effects during the transition itself (then again, many of us experience nothing but wonderful effects from the git-go), hunger is usually not one of them.  In fact, the O diet with all its nutrient-dense protein should quell your hunger almost instantaneously.  So, if you are feeling very hungry, let me ask ya:

1.  Are you eating enough protein?  You should really be eating beneficial meat/fish at every meal.  I mean, it doesn't have to be EVERY meal, but just about.  It doesn't have to be a lot of meat--just about the size of your fist, or about 6 to 8 oz--but you need to get it in there.

2.  Are you rounding out the diet with plenty of vegetables and fruits?  Load up on greens/salads, broccoli, beneficial berries/fruit smoothies, etc.

3.  Are you drinking enough water?

If you are hungry all the time, I tend to think you are either eating not enough protein, most likely, or it also could be that you are cutting too far back on the beneficial carbohydrates, the living ones, the grain-free ones, i.e., dark-leafy green veggies, other colorful veggies, and fruits.  You can also add some sweet potatos and other root veggies to give you that "carby full" feeling you might miss when transitioning off of nutritionally-empty starches like wheat flour.

I don't agree at all that you need to eat every three hours.  I think that the O diet is so nutrient-dense that about three meals per day should do ya.  It is the Type A diet and Type A's who tend, in general, to do better with smaller, more frequent meals.  They are "grazers", whereas us O's come from a long line of "feast or famine" genes.  We don't really usually (though this varies by individual) do best on 5 or 6 mini-meals per day, we usually do better on 2 or 3 regular-sized meals, maybe with a light snack (like whole fruit) here or there in between.

As for the bread sitch, the Sami's millet and flax is SO great for sandwiches.  I wish I had discovered this years ago, as the no sandwich thing was really a challenging part of the O nonnie diet.  There is one other bread for sale in the HFS that I LOVE, called "French Meadows 100% rye", but you must keep it frozen and you must toast it before eating it.  Therefore, even though that rye is far superior in terms of a truly delicious, artisan/peasant bread, I prefer the Sami's for CONVENIENCE!  I keep it in the fridge, but I think you don't even have to do that, I think it is shelf stable for a week or so anyway.  It adds a significant amount of convenience to my life, to be able to throw together a sandwich again...

...Where was I?  Between the end of that paragraph and this, a few hours have elapsed!  Work is wack today and Temptation Island (TI), this huge "work surface" that the QA Managers here fill to the brim with avoids periodically for birthdays, etc., is in full swing with a new twist today:  They now are suddenly huffy at other departments for always coming here and partaking, so they have decided that P-Twist here should simply tell everyone who tries to partake "NO, get away from there, no soup for you!"  Well, that is the last straw for moi.  I have sent an e-mail to my boss and, when she gets out of her meetings today, I'm TELLING her that she is moving me to a different cubicle.  PERIOD.  But meanwhile, back at the inn, where the flip was I with this post?

Basically:

1.  Eat protein to avoid hunger, rounded out with as many beneficial veggies and fruits as your heart desires, and you can throw some neutrals in there, too, if'n you get the notion.  Variety is the spice of life!

2.  Bread:  The French Meadows 100% rye w/flaxseed is ...(day-ummm, another herd of people just galumped over here and I'm supposed to tell them all they can't have any of this food?  This is INSANITY...but I digress...) delicious for toast.  For sandwiches, use the Sami's millet and flax.  Always read labels, especially on breads, because the French Meadows also makes a "Rice Bread" that is mostly made from whole wheat *rolling eyes*.

3.  Hope you are loving it so far, nameless!


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Namelessfemm
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Okay - let it be said~!!  You should be a blogger - reading you always make me lol at least once~!
You have a great go-with-the-flow but be on top of your game Attitude and I LOVE it~!!

Big high 5 to you P. twist - with many thanks...

I AM beginning to love it...i had a BM (bowel movem) today~!!  woo hoooooo partaaaaaaaay~!

I am adding more protein - was only doing 4 - 5 oz - oh and does the seltzer count as our water intake?  I do lemon/lime water and selzter....

soooo just to really really get it in my head....s. potato and manna bread without any alist like barley (i'm not gluten intol) is okay to eat everyday???  It's too good to be true~!!  Of course I will see  how I feel - but it's a Benf - so we O's can have it often, yesh?

I can't wait to get my sec test - I am going to DO this - once i get that determined - I plan to do all Beneficials and v. lil neut. and of course no a-list items....

I can't wait~!!  Thank you ALL so much for your time and responses - it truly does keep us newbies fired up, motivated, energiezed, and feeling oh so loved & cared about.....

hey if I can't have corn....
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Okay - let it be said~!!  You should be a blogger - reading you always make me lol at least once~!
You have a great go-with-the-flow but be on top of your game Attitude and I LOVE it~!!

Thank you *blushing*!  But you wouldn't say that I'm on the top of my game if you know how far off the rails I unceremoniously jumped today at work.  Long story, but oh dear, I will be paying for this for a long time...and it wasn't even worth it, AT ALL.  All the avoids I ate today were just total junk.  I prefer the pure, high-quality, nutrient-dense, chi-laden, whole, natural, type-friendly fare I normally dine upon to this tempting yet devoid-o-life SWILL.  ...Yet, I dove in today.  The stars were aligned just right...or wrong, and in I plunged.

 Don't let this happen to you!  Resist!

Meanwhile, this was the last straw and I talked to my boss.  She is looking into me moving to the next-door cube, which they can reconfigure so that the opening is on the other side from Temptation Island.  Oh joy, oh rapture!  I resent that I can't stay in my nice, big cubicle (this other one is littler) because of how idiotic the whole TI thing has gotten, but it is what it is.  Things ARE this idiotic, so am I going to subject myself to it or move?  MOVE!  It was bad enough being the hostess with the mostess, but now that they want me to be a bulldog, shoeing people away?  Fuggedaboutit.  As my boss said, oh no, that's not your job.

So, new cubicle for P-Twist (probably, the boss just has to check with her higher ups).  Big doings.  I won't have to contend with TI anymore.  Oh, happy day!

But I digress...sorry, where were we?  I'm full of wheat lectin now and very confused and disoriented.  Funny, a very close BTD bud who shall remain nameless (but it isn't "nameless" *lol*!!!!  It is someone else!) went off the rails earlier this week and I felt so bad for her, and I thought, whew, I'm so glad I'm in a solid place right now with the diet.  Not two days later, BOOM, I've jumped the rails.  Day-uuum, what a world.
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...oh and does the seltzer count as our water intake?  I do lemon/lime water and selzter....

Absolutely! seltzer counts as water and it is beneficial for O's!!!  Adding lemon/lime is excellent, good work, new pup!
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soooo just to really really get it in my head....s. potato and manna bread without any alist like barley (i'm not gluten intol) is okay to eat everyday???  It's too good to be true~!!  Of course I will see  how I feel - but it's a Benf - so we O's can have it often, yesh?

Surely!  btw, if you are not into gluten, disregard my recommendation for the 100% rye with flaxseed, it has gluten galore.
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I can't wait to get my sec test - I am going to DO this - once i get that determined - I plan to do all Beneficials and v. lil neut. and of course no a-list items....

Well, I don't want to curb your enthusiasm, but if you find that doing all beneficials and no neutrals is too challenging, do allow yourself some neutral items.  They can be very important to providing you with the variety that will make this sustainable over the long run.  That said, you have the right idea with emphasizing beneficials!
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I can't wait~!!  Thank you ALL so much for your time and responses - it truly does keep us newbies fired up, motivated, energiezed, and feeling oh so loved & cared about.....

You are very welcome.  Those of us who have benefited so much from the BTD and been helped along so much by veterans just want to return the favor by helping newbies.  We were all newbies once.  So feel free to ask questions and share your triumphs and challenges.  Cafe BTD is always open.  And it is smoke-free, too!


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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I was being generous when I said I eat every three hours....often it is every two hours...I don't eat much at a time....two weeks on the program....losing unwanted inches....need to get smaller size bra  .....feeling more energized....
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nameless and diffy, welcome!
Namelessfem, if you are used to smoothies for brkfst, get some egg white powder...I use a brand called Simply Whites, it is all protein, suitable for O's....makes a great smoothie with banana, etc.
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Nameless,

bladderwrack is an amazing treatment for constipation.
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Thank you Peppermint Twist~!  So sorry to hear about the drama at work.....but you know the Law of Rhythm - what goes up has to come down and vice versa - let's hope that the up part happens sooner than later....

I'm just so grateful today that Peppermint Twist is an O like meeeeeeeeeee - really thank you for everything.... the Law of Reciprosity - I'm sure the kindness you give out is right around the corner for YOU~!!       I know - I'm a big Nerd =D

oh and - yea you know us O's we tend to get excited a bit - a bit extreme at times....i'm sure I'll have neutrals alot more than i think ....=P

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Namelessfemm
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Jayney-O~!!  You saved my morning regimen~!!!  

May the gods reward you handsomely~!!!  lol

Thank you Thank you Thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

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Constipation relief?  WHERE?  WHERE?!?!!?  BLADDERWRACK??  What the wrack is that???  (i'm a big corn-ball~!!)

Ooooooooooooh - the stuff in Jones Beach - greaaaaaaaaaaaate...

has any other backedup O have success with it?  powder?  pills?

Presently - I'm taking the Larch powder and flax seeds (soaked overnight) as suggested in LR4T

Thanks mUcho Ronagon~!!
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Namelessfemm
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Oh Diffy I know - the [/b]tragedy [b]- that is my ONLY complaint about wt loss.....boob loss....

Um, I may be mistaken but eating every 2 hrs might be a bit stressful for your stomach and GI system.....but I guess if it works for you...it's great that your eating and enjoying and getting healthier and losing wt~!

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NAP also has a protein powder that you could use for your morning smoothies.  The O one is egg based or just have some eggs scrambled in ghee for breakfast - yum!  I have that several times a week with a tiny slice of carrot and raisin manna bread and a little almond butter.  Really holds me for a long time....or and this is something I learned to love from Peppermint Twist - a little nutritional yeast sprinkled on the eggs for energy>
Welcome and good luck.  I've been around for about 10 years now and it's really a way of life.
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Nutritional Yeast?  is that Brewers Yeast?  Where does an O find N. yeast?

Is this the closest I'll get to my beer?  =T

^_^ - it's ok b/c I FEEL GREAT~!!

P. Twist - I think today I felt the "high" you spoke of - oh my- it's like I've been drinking a gigantic cup of coffee all day long - without the jitters...is this it?  Is this how life if supposed to be?  This is the first time I've felt like this w/o coffee or pills - and IT'S ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

My hubby and I would actually fight b4 and after marriage b/c I slept so much - he just thought I was lazy!  

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a few brands
Lewis Labs Brewer's Yeast
Red Star nutritional yeast
KAL nutritional yeast flakes


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Ah - so it is the Brewers....Thank you Lola~!!  You're like a walking talking breathing LR4T Encyclopedia~!!

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