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Tarrenae
Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 10:55pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Have you found some of the advice in EAT RIGHT FOR YOUR TYPE to be off for you personally..

I am a blood type O and find The blood type theory to be 80%CORRECT and believe in almost everything because I find it to be true.But some things I do not agree with,like coconut oil not being beneficial to all,when it helps me increase my energy levels,and candida.Or that blood type O should never have any type of Whey,I have been so sick that the only thing I tolerated food wise has been a hydrolyzed pre-digested whey powder.

I joined this forum because I need support with ongoing health battles,and transitioning to a protein and vegetable centered diet,rather then the low fat vegetarian one.
I am here to break out of old mindsets as well,but I do not neccessarily agree with or want to apply everything strictly,I want to follow what works and scraps what does not,is that acceptable?

do you have to follow everything 100 percent to be welcome on these boards,i am following other programs and health protocols aided by some of the wisdom within these forums...

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you must try for yourself, of course. I believe there are people who make exceptions for themselves when they feel the need to. For myself, I find that the BTD addresses all my health challenges rather well (when I am following it closlely) but I would not hesitate to diverge if I felt it were in my interest.

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I recommend finding out your secretor status.


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I think you must take into consideration that people are still like snowflakes, no two are alike.  I haven't been on BDT for long enough to share much of my personal experience yet.  I will tell you even the first 10 days is simply AMAZING!!
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I think it is always wise to use your common sense- I never buy anything 100 % - but maybe 99.9 %
After more than 7 years -I wont say I disagree with any of Doc Dadamo research
-but I just think he has not told us ALL yet - or he doesn´t know himself all yet

It is true that no one is alike- not even the same bloodtype- like my sister and I shares the same parents, have the same bloodtype  and still we differ.
This is just the beginning of the journey- and make the fine tunings that work for you .


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the same view I do share with Henriette, my sister is also an AB (we have had the same parent...if I remember well ) but we are that different..................


as you might remember I am working with a special thingy called Vegatester, this works similar like bioresonance and is a computerized complete lab. of its own ......
whan I tested the different bloodtypes, so I was astonished how acurate Dr. D's researches are......but then here comes the very own genetic fingerprint from all of us into the game and that means also to look for the envirenement we live in and what's about our psyche pattern .......

and most of the people do have foodintolerances and no allergies ....a biiiig difference
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You know, Tarrenae, you've stumbled onto probably the only nutrition site on the internet where the people on it will agree with you about disagreeing with me. Sometimes I even disagree with me. That's the beauty of the whole thing. Everywhere else it seems to be 'our way or the highway'. On these sites, if you question, you get banned, slammed and scammed. Here we try to use skeptics and questioning minds to learn and teach more about the world: about what we know and what we don't. With this system (and as with anything else in the universe whose proponents are honest) 'your mileage may vary.' But that is OK. They are no dangers involved in finding out just how useful this is. From there it is just a simple matter of 'take the good, leave the rest.' The great part is that whatever 'good' you do take can become a very solid foundation for your further explorations.


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"Your mileage may vary."    Dr. D, that was pretty funny.  Just like your poem long ago about recycling---we get a kick out of the way you put things sometimes.

The BTD isn't a religion.  You aren't "in sin" if you eat an avoid.  Nobody is making you follow it, and nobody's saying it's the only way to eat--just the best that we've found.  Obviously in countries where some foods are hard to get, you can't follow it precisely (like, what's an AB to do in a country that doesn't know what turkey is?).  Dr. D is publishing his findings, and a whole lot of us are benefiting from it.  That's all.



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Quoted from Tarrenae
I am here to break out of old mindsets as well,but I do not neccessarily agree with or want to apply everything strictly,I want to follow what works and scraps what does not,is that acceptable?
do you have to follow everything 100 percent to be welcome on these boards,i am following other programs and health protocols aided by some of the wisdom within these forums...


As everyone else has said..........to each their own.     You must ultimately do what you feel is best for you, after all it is your body.  
Your question may sound a bit odd to some here (must you comply 100% to be welcome here), as no one here is of that mindset. Yet, I do absolutely understand your wonderings, as my brother is on a forum and they are most def like that and there is NO tolerance for your own opinion. I wouldn't continue if I were him, but I'm not.
So Tarrenae, your opinions are welcome just as much as anyone else. I think that the only thing that won't be tolerated here is being abusive to another member, but that is only fair. And that's not to imply you did that.  



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The BTD is like peeling the outer leaves off an artichoke till you find the (heart) real you....we're all about 99% the same genetically with the 1% left giving us our uniqueness but that 1% accounts for a myriad of differences and challenges and Dr D himself has said the diet does not work for everyone(10% ineffective) meaning it may need more fine tuning and I guess that's where the Genotype book comes in....it will become a truer nutrigenomic diet.


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If you read Dr. D's post, that pretty much says it all to my mind. And that is the strength and truth of the BTD, imo--to Dr. D we are all individuals, and treated as such. Yes, there's a framework for each blood type food plan-wise, but within that framework there's room to move around. I love that. It's liveable. It's doable. And it's great fun! I have NEVER said that about any other way of eating, ever.


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Quoted from Tarrenae
Have you found some of the advice in EAT RIGHT FOR YOUR TYPE to be off for you personally..
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I have found the personality part and exercise program to be dead on for me and has also answered some questions that I have had about myself for a long long time. IE sports and compitition.. I raced cars in my past {drag racing} while I was pretty good at it I found that the sport was taking a toll on my health and brought out things or weakness in my body that other wise I didn't know existed..

now as far as the comment about being flakey about religion   well I think theirs only one person who should comment {or make judgement} on that and we will all meet God in due time so I won't let that one bother me to much  

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This is a great thread topic!  And I've really loved all the posts I've read in here; right on, all!

We are indeed all as different (and as similar) as individual snowflakes are from (and to) each other.  The BTD is in a league if its own because it takes what we know so far about those differences in terms of nutrigenomics and uses it to customize each type's diet to a remarkable and very health bestowing/restoring degree.  Since our knowledge of the hard science is still very much evolving, so is the diet itself.  I look forward to "Eat Right for Your Genotype" because I think things will be even further customized.

In twelve step programs, they say at the close, "Take what you like and leave the rest."  I appreciated that when I was attending ACOA (adult children of alcoholics) meetings because sometimes I did NOT agree with everything and by that being said at the end, it let me know that that was okay.  I didn't have to agree with everything or everyone.  It wasn't all or nothing.  And certainly in a venue like that, everyone has their own opinions which are just that--their opinions and their experiences and they might differ from my own.  And also the way they interpret the hard text of the program itself could differ from how I interpret it, and that was okay, too.  If the 'tude had NOT been "take what you like and leave the rest", I think I might have left altogether.  That would have been a shame because ACOA greatly changed my life for the better.

Similarly, with the BTD, you can certainly take what you like and leave the rest.  For me, there is very little "rest", though.  I really have found over the years that Dr. D. got it right for my type.  Even when I wish a given aspect of the diet were wrong, dang it, it seems to be right *lol*!

I appreciate deeply that questioning, discussing, wondering aloud, etc. are all accepted dynamics of this BTD community.

As for moi, the only thing I've really wondered about over the years is if maybe, every so often, we should chug down some avoids in order to build up our antibodies, sort of along the conceptual lines of "vaccinating" ourselves.  However, the lucky thing is, we live in a society where it is pert near impossible or at least highly implausible that one could ever go their entire lives without ingesting a few avoids.  So, no worries.  But I do think that maybe very little 'uns in particular should get a few (whole food, NOT junk food) avoids in 'em in order to get their system producing antibodies...however, my knowledge and understanding of the science in regard to same is at such a layperson's rudimentary level that I could be quite wack on this issue.

Other than that, I'm pretty much in for a penny, in for a pound!  But I live in hope that sunflower seeds will make a legal comeback into my life with the advent of ER4YG!


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Hehe...it is funny that since you feel you do well on coconut oil, you think everyone should do well on coconut oil!  

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Tarrenae,

Coconut oil is a "neutral" (in other words, it's safe) for O's who are non-secretors.  

Since you don't post your secretor status on your little shield icon, I'm guessing that you haven't taken the secretor test yet.  

You might be a non-secretor, and that's why you can handle coconut oil.  

Finally, you read Dr. D's first book.  That book doesn't talk about secretor status; all the later ones do, though.  That's probably why you're describing discrepancies that would likely be explained by your secretor status.
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But there are lots avoids that I SEEM to handle..... so it is never easy to know
- I just know that they very likely will do me harm on the long run...
except if I´m a unusual unknown kind of danish B sec who do well with organic bacon and avocado


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What a great thread! Thanks for starting it, Tarrenae! Great posts all around!

Disagree with Dr.D.?! Hm, I'm not in a position to disagree with him really - I haven't done the research he has, and I don't have the knowledge he has.

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As for moi, the only thing I've really wondered about over the years is if maybe, every so often, we should chug down some avoids in order to build up our antibodies, sort of along the conceptual lines of "vaccinating" ourselves.  However, the lucky thing is, we live in a society where it is pert near impossible or at least highly implausible that one could ever go their entire lives without ingesting a few avoids.  So, no worries....


I've wondered the same thing, PT. Maybe not so much in my own case, but I've wondered about children on BTD - if they maybe needed avoids every now and then to build up their immune system...
I myself was raised on a lot of avoids and was never sick as a child - BUT I was raised on natural home-cooked food. My mother avoided "all that modern stuff" like the plague, and was an "organic-freak" long before "organic" was even a word - so even though I'm raised on wheat and dairy, it was pretty much unprocessed clean foods we had. Clever mom!

For me, BTD isn't a religion, so I take what I like and leave the rest alone. Besides, there's a big difference in living on avoids, and eating an avoid occassionally.
Like Henriette, I sometimes eat avoid-fruits and -vegetables, I love, when they're in season or served me when eating out. But I have stopped eating pork (except organic bacon), wheat, and most diary - former staple foods in my diet - when preparing our daily meals at home.

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I have found the personality part and exercise program to be dead on for me and has also answered some questions that I have had about myself for a long long time.


So funny, Rodney, because the ABO-personality-thing is a part of the BTD I just don't buy. I just don't see it, and it certainly doesn't fit me or anyone I know. Examples:
Me (O) am more like a B
Hubby (B) is more like an O
Dad (A) is more like an AB
Sister (O) is more like an A
See?!

Isn't it funny how different God created us - He certainly has a sense of humour!


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I've wondered the same thing, PT. Maybe not so much in my own case, but I've wondered about children on BTD - if they maybe needed avoids every now and then to build up their immune system...


I believe, but don't quote me, that Dr. D has said that we encounter enough avoids through environment, and that we really don't need them (in food) to build up our immune systems in childhood.  


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I believe, but don't quote me, that Dr. D has said that we encounter enough avoids through environment, and that we really don't need them (in food) to build up our immune systems in childhood.  

Interesting.  I think it was something I read a long while back on the Mayo Clinic's site, that I have never been able to find again, but it said (and obviously I'm paraphrasing here, big time!) something to the tune of that a baby's body builds up antibodies to the other blood types from eating foods that mimick the other type antigens.  I was so excited about reading that at the time because, to me, it kinda sorta proved that "Eat Right for Your Type" (the first book in the BTD series and the only one at that time) was based on sound science.  And there were so many flamers of the diet when it first came out that I was thrilled to find that so that I could say, SEE, the venerable Mayo Clinic says that our bodies react to blood-type-antigen-like markers in foods!

Then I got to thinking about it and thought, what IF you raised your baby on her/his ideal BTD from day one?  I mean, you prepared all the food at home, yada yada yada.  So the kid never ingested a speck of anything with a type-unfriendly lectin.  Essentially, what if someone followed the BTD to the ideal from Moment One of life?  Would the kid's antibodies not kick in and build in fiesty fashion to the levels they should get to?  And so, do kids need to start off with a wide, off-type variety of foods initially and then do we need to, every so often in life, get another off-type "infusion" to keep the levels up?

For virtually all of us, this is a non-issue.  In fact for all of us alive and reading this right now, as none of us were raised on our ideal diet for our type.  But if we were...?  Is it important to get some "off-type variety" into the mix from time to time, just to keep our antibodies cranking, but then of course for the majority of the time we would eat foods that work with our type and allow our immune systems to concentrate on other things?

That is just something I do ponder, and thought I would mention in the context of this thread.

I can't think of another thing I even question about the BTD theory.  It has proved a Godsend for me and so many others, and what I find so "proof is in the pudding" is when a Type A flourishes/does so well on basically grass and air, whereas I would DIE on same.  And the same Type A feels not so great after eating a steak, whereas I am RARING to go after same.  I observe things like this all the time.  I don't know many A's who feel great on an O-like diet (maybe some A2s--they are a conundrum), and I sure as heck don't know any O's who flourish on the Type A diet.  No sir.  Nosirree, bobtail.

Oh!  Thought of one thing I question:  I think us O nons...or at least, THIS O non, needs a TAD more fat that Dr. D feels we should add to foods in terms of added oils like olive.  His portion recommendations for same are so SPARTAN!  I'm not a monk, brutha!*  But, then again, we have such an abundance of red meats that we are encouraged to eat, and if you just sort of don't worry about choosing the leanest cuts of those, and you leave the fat on those, you will have enough fat.  ...Still, I do use WAY more olive oil/added fat than Dr. D says to *shrug*.

...Yet, I kinda sorta know he is right that I shouldn't.  So I guess that wouldn't qualify as questioning something, at least not too vigorously *lol*.  It would just qualify as ignoring something, yet knowing it is really right *tee hee*.

Yup, the only thing I do ponder is the whole should-we-vaccinate-ourselves-with-avoids-now-and-again thaaang.  Other than that, I'm a purist, BTD-theory-wise, all the way!

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DrD has done the research and put forth his views...and i must confess that i do not understand some of it cause I don't have the educational background.
However I do understand enough about what is an avoid and what is a beneficial.

I have been 100% compliant and almost compliant all depending on the circumstance.  His book on Aging has been a tremendous help to me.  I seem to be missing some of the complaints of the people in my age group.  For this i am thankful to him.
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ruthie,

You've tested for yourself what foods work and what don't?  Well, that's good enough.  You're a scientist!


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now as far as the comment about being flakey about religion   well I think theirs only one person who should comment {or make judgement} on that and we will all meet God in due time so I won't let that one bother me to much  ??



Rodney, are you referring to the silly notion that ABs are somewhat 'mixed up' both in blood and personality? A bit ambivalent, but not? Sort of spiritually confused and confusing, but not religious?

Thank God I'm an atheist.
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