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Mitchie
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Hi Everyone-

Has anyone had a less than beneficial reaction to spelt?  I ate some spelt cereal yesterday and I'm trying to decide whether some mucus stuff I have going on today is the result of the spelt cereal or maybe an outdoor allergy thing from bike riding yesterday.

I don't do any wheat and I know spelt is a distant relative.  Any thoughts?

I just thought of something else. For dinner, I did eat three eggs scrambled in ghee with spinach, broccoli and carrots.  I'm not normally too much of an egg eater.  Maybe they're the culprit?



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Morning Mitch- I would think it would be the spelt-I have the same reaction to it!
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Geminisue-  I just ate another bowl for breakfast this morning so I guess tomorrow will tell.  Not having eggs or bike riding today so that should narrow it down.

Thanks for your reply!


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Spelt might cause mucus problems if you are already higly sensitive to wheat as spelt is a related to wheat.  Some people who can not tolerate wheat find that they can consume spelt; while others can not eat spelt products at all.

I would encourage you to wait at least one week to determine if the spelt if causing the problems.

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Hi Alia - I did eat another bowl for breakfast on Sunday and it not only gave me gas but I got quite depressed a few hours later.  I gave the cereal away to a friend this morning.

Thanks for your reply.  


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What other ingredients were in the spelt cereal?  

Everyone seems to be quick to finger spelt as the culprit, but without knowing exactly what all of the ingredients that you consumed are.  Was it 100% spelt cereal?  Or made with spelt, and other ingredients?  And what did you use to eat it with?  Cow's milk, soy milk, almond milk, other?  

Let us know everything about the spelt cereal that you ate, and what you ate it with.  Spelt may be the culprit, but again, it may not be.

I do the full tiredness/depression bit after consuming wheat, but have none of the symptoms when consuming spelt.  


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Organic *wholemeal* spelt makes my gut sick 2 out of 3 times, painfully so sometimes. That includes the compliant pasta and also the compliant homemade bread. White refined spelt, however, is no problemo. Neither is white refined commercial wheat flour. (Whole Spelt is a tier two beneficial for ABs.)
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We began using spelt because I finally realized that the intestinal problems by type B son was experiencing was a reaction to wheat. Changing to spelt helped his problems tremendously. We buy organic spelt berries and grind our own flour. Spelt works fine for almost all baking and cooking applications but has less gluten than regular wheat so sometimes things like bread will not rise as much.

A month or two ago, I decided that some of my excess weight though might be due to some grains. I used to eat oatmeal almost everyday for breakfast. Good for cholesterol but I felt a little bloated a lot so figured after reading some posts, it might be from grains. So I stopped the breakfast oatmeal and limit any other grains I am eating. I did find a nice gluten free bread which I am using - it is made from brown rice and almond meal. So when I do have bread, have been trying to stick with that and have noticed I am feeling better. I am still fairly new to eliminating grains so might know more later.

At first I was concerned about not eating grains and missing the fiber and nutrients, but I am good about eating fruits and vegetables, some limited and select grains and take a multi vitamin, so I think my nutrional needs in this aspect are fine.

But to get back to spelt, I think it is a good alternative grain and one worth trying out. It does contain gluten so if you don't feel well after eating it, could be that you might have a gluten or grain intolerance.
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Also, missecop's question on the milk used is also a good one. Might be a reaction the milk used. I know a lot of O's are lactose intolerant. A lot of people also are noticing bad reactions to too much soy products, including soy milk. So maybe check that out as well.
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Thanks for your concern about the spelt.  For milk I used what I have every morning which is rice milk.  

The spelt cereal comes from Arrowhead Mills.  Here's the ingredient list.

Ingredients: organic whole grain spelt flakes, organic cranberries (organic cranberries, organic evaporated cane juice, organic sunflower oil), organic fruit juice concentrate (apple, pear or grape), sea salt, ascorbic acid (vitamin C) and natural vitamin E (to preserve freshness).

USDA Organic SealCertified Organic by the Texas Department of Agriculture (TDA)

I don't see anything in there that has given me problems in the past.  I have plenty of other grains I like and that like me so it's not a big deal to dump it.

I will try spelt again in the future but in a form other than this cereal and see what the results are.

Thanks again!


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Interesting, Mitchie.  That's the kind of cereal I used to eat (with a big glob of peanut butter with it for protein).  But I discovered that when I eat it for breakfast, I get a stomach ache afterwords.  When I eat it for an afternoon snack it doesn't bother me, nor does spelt in any other form.  Maybe having it on a very empty stomach is part of the problem.


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Interesting ingredients, as an A secretor you probably don't have to worry about the probable corn source for the ascorbic acid in the cereal, but its no good for ANYBODY else! lol

Lately this is the crying shame I've been discovering over and over.  A new product looks like it's going to be a wholesome food, then a closer examination reveals it is contaminated with "organic evaporated cane juice".  My understanding of the whys and hows of this particular raw sugar is incomplete, but I got the message that it's harmful.  Sure, there's not much of it in there compared to the rest of what's in the box, but where do you draw the line?

Colojd's method of grinding their own flour is admirable!
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I occasionally have spelt pasta and I've noticed I feel quite drowsy afterwards, like sometimes when I eat wheat.

At Easter I ate a few hot cross buns (made from wheat flour) and I was incredibly tired after!
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Have you looked at gluten in general?  While spelt has less than wheat, it still have quite a bit.


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"Out of your life..."   That's a good way to put it.

I know, the whole "organic evaporated cane juice" gets me too.  Like it's much better than white sugar!  It still makes me feel bad either way.  Why don't they all just start using agave nectar?  I guess prices would go up even more.  Good grief--$4 for a box of cereal that gives you 3 bowls.


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About the corn source for ascorbic acid.  Would that ascorbic acid necessarily be an avoid?  I mean, is the lectin in corn still there after all that processing?  Just like sprouting grains destroys the gluten, I wonder how much corn lectin is destroyed when processed.  I wonder if we're going overboard in avoiding some things because it's from corn (or whatever), when it wouldn't necessarily cause a problem.


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About the corn source for ascorbic acid. Would that ascorbic acid necessarily be an avoid? I mean, is the lectin in corn still there after all that processing? Just like sprouting grains destroys the gluten, I wonder how much corn lectin is destroyed when processed. I wonder if we're going overboard in avoiding some things because it's from corn (or whatever), when it wouldn't necessarily cause a problem.

Sprouting grain does not remove the gluten....  Sprouting wheat removes or lessens the Wheat Germ Agglutinin or WGA.

The testing hasn't been done on all parts or products derived from corn...

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Corn for O - AVOID: Contains lectin or other agglutinin. Metabolic inhibitor. Contains component which can modify known disease susceptibility.

The O's may be able to feel the metabolism changes if the reaction is great or the individuals are very sensitive...

B and AB  - AVOID: Contains lectin or other agglutinin.
This problem is very difficult to feel...  So it is a matter of taking your chances...



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Corn and its byproducts are downgraded to infrequent neutrals (0-2 times per month) in the Diabetes and Arthritis Health books for A secretors, FWIW.


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The corn problem isn't difficult to feel for the B and AB in our family.  Wow!  It's like they've been hit with a sledge hammer.  My husband turns into an ogre then crashes on the sofa and hyperventilates for 45 minutes, and my daughter cries for hours and hours.  I'm the one who doesn't react at all to corn, and it's avoid for me too.  I guess the reactions are individual to some extent.


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would def. go for nitricycle for your hubby....as quick as possible  and more magnesium and if he re-begins to hyperventilate, take a bag or sack and hold it infront of his face, he has to inhale there and also exhale, this is a need of NO !!!   good luck...dearle ......


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hyperventilation will stop immediately when you follog this advice .....
ok needs some seconds...but that's a feary state...so better to get it down at once

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What's nitricycle?

Magnesium.  Yes, that's one of the ingredients I give him.  I discovered after some experimentation that if I give him an electrolyte mix (Emergen-C), he can pull out of it really quick.  I've started giving it to them both when they're reacting to something.  Helps a lot.

And yes, it is scary to watch.  After we were first married and we didn't know about the corn, soy or sugar allergies yet, it would happen a couple of times a week.  There were a couple of times I actually got worried about him.  If I leave him alone, his system eventually works through it, usually after a coma-like nap for less than an hour.  The Emergen-C is amazing.  Is it really the magnesium doing it?


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Ribbitle, it's a super product from Dr. D. for nervehealth and more oxygen in the tissue, made with l'arginine to boost NO in our brains (B & AB ).....page 5 on the NAP onlinepresentation ......
Emergen-C is with a bunch of vit C...Vit. C is a natural antiallergic product in itself; it reduces enormly the histaminproduction ...good thingy and safe. Mg (magnesium) just get somebody calmer and more relax.stops musclespasme immediately, especially when you get it as a drink....so it can work much faster than a tablet or capsule.

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What's nitricycle?


It is from NAP as Isa mentions.  Formulated to support healthy Nitric Oxide function, which is cleared rapidly in B-Type people...  Out of balance conditions are manifested by overly emotional reactions to stressful situations. (According to LR4YT, pg. 28.


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 for the help dearest AB-confrre


btw.....since I take a product with a larger amount of l'arginine & dong quai, I just feel great and much relaxer and calmer

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Thanks, y'all.  I'll check in to it.


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