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Hello,

Italybound, if you reach someone at Madhava, maybe you could find out what the glycemic rating is for their agave. They might even be able to provide you with a copy of the chemical analysis of their product which could be telling.

Calorically speaking Madhava states on their label that 1 Tab. is 60 calories.
The other product I have in my cupboard is called "Sweet Cactus Agave" which states it is 15 calories perTeaspoon which equals 45 calories per Tablespoon.  Why the difference I wonder?

My bet is that Dr. D.  knows his oats regarding the agave that NAP uses in their bars. He's too aware of the dangers of corn syrup, etc. not to.

Think I'll check the web for any info on Madhava, etc.
Anybody check out the Volcanic Nectar website?

Cordially,
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The prompt reply from Madhava:
Hello Pat,
Thanks for your inquiry, I appreciate that you took the time to email. To answer you question, our agave nectar is 100% pure from the agave plant  with no additives whatsoever.
I am familiar with Volcanic Nectar's assertion, and all I can say is that they are incorrect. It amounts to a lie, as they certainly know the truth, but disregard it while continuing on with unsubstantiated negative self promotion.
Our agave nectar is organically certified. Part of the review process to maintain certification involves balancing organic product input  compared to sales of organic product. As this is closely monitored, there would be no way to hide additives. And, an analysis is done and provided for each batch produced. So, the quality and  purity of our agave nectar is guaranteed.
And, Madhava's 35 year reputation stands behind that guarantee.
So, I hope that answers your question, and please let me know if I can
be of further  service.

Best regards,
Craig Gerbore



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Pat, thanks for your followup on this.  I think Madhava had produced mostly honey products and the agave is a new thing to their line. But I am hoping as we all are, that their product truly is pure as they say. I will continue to use it.

It is too bad that some other companies are making statements that might not be true. You wonder why they would go to those lengths, unless it is very competitive and they feel that this is a way to get customers to their product, instead of people choosing it for its quality and purity.

It would be very interesting if a food chemist could look into each brand and do an independent test.
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Italybound, thank you for taking the time to contact that one agave nectar company and confirming what I already felt sure of and was about to say today after reading through the new additions to this thread since last I posted:  if a label just lists one ingredient, namely agave nectar, and especially if the product is also certified organic and just lists the one ingredient, there is no way that it also contains corn syrup.  That would be illegal.  You must list your ingredients on the label.  That said, as I understand it, there are exceptions if certain ingredients are less than a certain amount, or if fat content is less than a certain amount, they can still say "non-fat", or whatever, and I take issue with both of those things.  Yet if a product just lists one ingredient, it is pretty safe to believe it only contains that one ingredient, and if the product just lists one ingredient AND says "certified organic", it DEFINITELY only contains that one ingredient.

I think it is really outrageous that the company Volcanic Nectar is, as was said to you by the guy from Madhava, lying.  I mean, there is no other way to characterize it.  It is amazing that Volcanic can get away with that.  I am going to look at their site after I post this, to see how it is worded.  If they say that they are the ONLY source for pure agave nectar and that everyone else cuts theirs with corn syrup?  Well, that sounds like grounds for a lawsuit on the part of these other agave nectar companies about which the misstatement is being made, imho.


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http://www.volcanicnectar.com/blueagavefaq.html...

"So how can you tell what you are getting or what is in your agave? Science. Ask the Agave company for the Chemical Analysis for their Agave. Some companies won't share this information claiming it is proprietary information but it is required by The U.S. Nutritional Labeling and Education Act (NLEA). The easiest way to find out if the agave in question has been altered is to check the Sugars on the test. If the product has anything more than Fructose and Glucose something has been added. Another key indicator is an extremely high fructose level. Does High Fructose Corn Syrup sound about right? Some of you are asking about a cheap brand called Madhava."

There's a link that will take you to a discussion page on Amazon.com and there are some interesting things being said about Madhava...


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Again, all I know for sure is this:  if a product lists only one ingredient--agave nectar--and especially if that product is certified organic, there is no way that the product contains anything other than agave nectar!  Not unless they are breaking the law, and I don't think they are.  For example, on the Sweet Cactus Farms site, they clearly state that their agave nectar is 100%, certified organic agave nectar.  I have no doubt whatsoever that it is.  Anyone who knows me on this site for any length of time knows that I'm not the most trusting sort in the world, I am highly skeptical and cynical, actually.  But, I'm sorry, if the label says it contains one ingredient and the product is certified organic, then I have no doubt about it.  I think that the Volcanic Nectar company is either in, or getting dangerously close to, litigation territory with its claims about being the ONLY company that sells uncut agave nectar.


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I agree with you PT; I just think it's interesting how in the name of "marketing" the lengths people will go to make their point. Not that their point is true, mind you. It's marketing. This sort of reminds me of candidates running for office...but I digress.


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I did write the guy at Madhava back about the claims and wasn't there something they could do, unless it is that V/N isn't naming names. I think that's precisely what it is. Will wait for his response.  



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P.S.  From the Sweet Cactus Farms agave site and, maybe it is just me, but I don't know how much more crystal clear and unambiguous they could make their statements and I totally believe them:

"Certified Organic Agave Nectar, 100% Blue Weber Tequilana"

http://www.sweetcactusfarms.com/

As the letter Pat got from Madhava says, for a product to be certified organic, it goes through a very, very strict inspection process and very basic to that would be that the product only contains what it is labeled to contain.

I'm sorry, but I think this whole "issue" is a marketing tactic by one company, Volcanic Nectar.  While they may be accurate in stating that some agave nectars are cut by corn syrup (I don't doubt that at all), it is untrue to state that they ALL are!  I'm just sure that the ones that are certified organic, 100% agave nectar, are just that--100% agave nectar!

...*Whew*...I have to lie down *lol*.

This is taking it outta me.

I just can't stand sleezy companies, that's what it boils down to.  They are confusing consumers and very intelligent, discerning ones at that.  THAT bothers me.  I may even write to Sweet Cactus Farms to alert them to these claims.  Maybe if enough folks like Pat and I write to the decent companies producing a pure agave nectar product, they will up and sue this Volcanic Nectar outfit for messing with people's heads.


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Not only that, PT, but the link on the Volcanic Nectar's site that I linked in my post above is misleading because it's titled "Click here to read about an investigation into their [Madhava] product." It's not an official investigation, it's just some people on amazon talking about agave...


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Not only that, PT, but the link on the Volcanic Nectar's site that I linked in my post above is misleading because it's titled "Click here to read about an investigation into their [Madhava] product." It's not an official investigation, it's just some people on amazon talking about agave...

Oh, exactamundo, I noticed that.  I am really infuriated about this sitch, actually, and, following Pat's lead, I just wrote to my fave agave nectar company about it.  I really think all the GOOD, above-board companies need to be alerted to what Volcanic Nectar is claiming:

"to   agave@sweetcactusfarms.com  
date  Apr 27, 2007 11:49 AM  
subject  FYI from a happy customer, there is another company making false claims...  
mailed-by  gmail.com  

Hello!  I love your certified organic, dark agave nectar.  I follow a certain diet and there is currently a discussion on the internet forum for same regarding agave nectar, and it has come to my attention that a company called "Volcanic Nectar" is making claims on their site that they are the ONLY company that does not add corn syrup to their agave nectar.  I think that is outrageous because if a product is certified organic and only lists one ingredient on their label, then that is all that is in there!  Another person in the discussion uses a brand called "Madhava" and she wrote to them about this.  They wrote back and said that their product is pure and that they are aware of the false claims made by this "Volcanic Nectar" company.  I just wanted to write to you about it, because I appreciate and love your dark agave nectar a lot and what I appreciate is that it is certified organic and it is so pure.  It just makes me mad that another company is going around saying that theirs is the ONLY agave nectar that is 100% agave nectar, and I thought you should be aware of them making that claim.

I went to their site and among other things, they state:

"It's the only Blue Agave Nectar sold in the United States that doesn't contain any unnatural fillers. "

I believe that is a false claim, so I thought I would make you aware of it, if you aren't already.  I mean, I'm not the most trusting consumer in the world, in fact, I'm a very cynical, discerning one.  But I know that if a product says "USDA certified organic" and it only lists one ingredient, then that is the only ingredient in there.  Anyway, just wanted to alert you to this.  Keep up the great work making your wonderful agave nectar.  I certainly intend to keep buying it.  And myself and another person have set everyone straight on the diet site I mentioned regarding the claims made by the other company.


--
Shalom,

Edna W. "

btw, now that I re-read it, I hope it doesn't sound bad saying I "set everyone straight" here at Chez Us Guys!  I just meant that I set the record straight for anyone reading this thread, not that anyone already in the thread doesn't "get it" or something--cool?

One thing I'm wondering:  Maybe Volcanic can get away with their statements because they say they are the only company selling pure BLUE agave nectar.  Maybe the kind we're buying isn't "blue"?  Although I doubt that because the Sweet Cactus Farms says "100% BLUE Weber Tequilana".  But maybe "Blue Weber Tequilana" and "Blue" are two different varieties?  I just keep thinking there must be some loophole like that because otherwise this Volcanic outfit would be being sued out the yin-yang, no?



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aybe Volcanic can get away with their statements because they say they are the only company selling pure BLUE agave nectar.  Maybe the kind we're buying isn't "blue"?  Although I doubt that because the Sweet Cactus Farms says "100% BLUE Weber Tequilana".  But maybe "Blue Weber Tequilana" and "Blue" are two different varieties?


It could be that it's because it's a 'blue' variety, but as I said earlier, if they are not naming names (and from what I'm seeing here, they're not), there is not really anything the other companies can do,  I dont think. I think for Madhava or anyone else to sue, V/N  would have to specifically name the the other companies to be sued for liable or slander. Just my thoughts.



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It is amazing to me, after starting this discussion, that there would be so much controversy. The comments about agave from Mexico often being cut were found on a "raw foods" site that I can across when browsing the internet to find other sources of agave nectar.

I think that any company that would knowingly decieve a consumer is guilty of fraud. The damage that eating something with HFCS could do to someone who has health issues, not to mention those who have good health and want to preserve it, is a big concern.

We will continue to use the Madhava agave in our household but I think for all of us, we should keep a close watch for any information about agave nectar that needs to be passed on, both the positive and the negative. That is the best way we can be informed consumers. Take care everyone.
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It could be that it's because it's a 'blue' variety, but as I said earlier, if they are not naming names (and from what I'm seeing here, they're not), there is not really anything the other companies can do,  I dont think. I think for Madhava or anyone else to sue, V/N  would have to specifically name the the other companies to be sued for liable or slander. Just my thoughts.

Even if they are making the sweeping claim that they are the ONLY company in the US selling 100% pure agave nectar when that is not the case?  I would think that they could be legally forced to stop making that claim.  Truth in advertising and all.





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Even if they are making the sweeping claim that they are the ONLY company in the US selling 100% pure agave nectar when that is not the case?  I would think that they could be legally forced to stop making that claim.  Truth in advertising and all.


Don't get me wrong............I totally agree with you.............they should be stopped if it's not true............however, they must have found the loophole  

Adding, I just heard back from Madhava and it's just as I suspected...........a generalized statement w/ no specific names mentioned, lets VN 'get away' w/ what they say. Here is the response:
Hello Pat,
Well, thanks for passing along our information, I really appreciate it. Volcanic's claims are, I think, libelous, although generalized statements like that help them slip by  (my italics) . But, most consumers are intellgent enough to be inquisitive and I think in the long run Volcanic will suffer from a lack of credibility as they do not and cannot substantiate their wild claims.
And, while Volcanic states theirs is organic, they do not have an actual organic certification so this is another example of a false claim. I personally don't feel anyone can be successful with tactics such as these and that they will come back to haunt them in the future.
Best regards,
Craig




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Here is the response from Whole Foods. Not sure why she found the article "confusing". I told her that I had read an article from this site that said that all Mexican agave was cut with high fructose corn syrup. I wrote back to her and asked her if she could at least please notify us that these products had been tested and verified pure.

Anyway, here is her response:
Dear Joyce,



I am writing in response to the product question comment you wrote and sent to our Whole Foods Market Website.  Interesting question and I must say I may need to do a lot more research to properly answer your concerns.  What I can give you at this time are the brand names and contact information for the brands of agave nectars we carry.  In reading the article you attached I am confused by your question about high fructose corn syrup.  What I gathered from the article is that the make up of agave nectar is similar to but not actual high fructose corn syrup.  I am more than happy to do further research for you though it mya take me some time.  The list below contains the information I currently have on the products we carry:



Living Tree Community Foods

Raw organic agave nectar

P.O. Box 10082

Berkley, CA 94709

1-800-260-5534

info@livingtreecommunity.com

http://www.livingtreecommunity.com

(On the package it says that most raw agave nectars are cooked at 149-180 degrees but theirs is simply warmed by the sun)



Wholesome Sweeteners

Organic Raw Blue Agave Nectar & organic Blue Agave

Sugar Land, TX 77478

7-800-680-1896

(They say their raw is produced at a low temperature less than 118 degrees)





Madhava Honey

Raw Organic Agave Nectar, Light agave nectar, amber agave nectar

Box 756

Lyons, CO 80540

agave@madhavahoney.com



If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me directly.  My information is below.

Thank you for shopping with us!

Sincerely,

Sara Bradley

Grocery Team Leader

Whole Foods Market Tamarac

7400 E. Hampden Ave

Denver, CO 80231

(303)488-2000

sara.bradley@wholefoods.com


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Hello Everyone,

This is an interesting and important thread about agave nectar.

Did anyone check out the Chemical Analysis Comparison Chart on the Blur Cactus website?

http://www.blueagavenectar.com  

If it is accurate, it does indeed appear that the Blue Agave Nectar (which is the Volcanic Nectar from Frontier) has the lowest concentration of Fructose, which is good. It does have low glucose (good) but not 0%. And it does not have any of the other sugars listed except the supposedly good stuff called "inulin".

It would help to get the Agave Chemical Analysis from the other companies to verify the accuracy of the above website.

Well, I ordered some of Volcanic Nectar and I'll observe my reaction to it, which may provide a clue... or not. My family and I been eating the Madhava and Sweet Cactus. My DH says the Sweet Cactus brand acts like white sugar when he eats it and he doesn't like it.

Cordially,
Margaret


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