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Daniela
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Gnammm, seems to ba a slup recipe,  thank you Brighit, I'll made next week end with rice flour, never done a cake with, ....
I have already baked another cake for tomorrow : la Pastiera !!! but it's awfully full of avoids !

Ciao !

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Yes I am concerned too. The last thing I want to do is use something I think is good for me only to have hidden bad stuff!

We went to Wild Oats store this morning. My husband was about to get some agave from a bulk liquid dispenser when I told him about what I had read. He said that the label on the container said it was "a product of Mexico" but had a local distribution address.

I think the research on agave is correct - that it is low in GI and is OK for diabetics. Real agave is also supposed to help move the fat from the abdominals into the intestines so it can be moved away quicker, one reason why I went with it, because I have some belly fat to move.  But can you imagine what it would do to people who are diabetic and get the agave that is cut with corn syrup? I think this is alarming and we need some answers. I did write Whole Foods to see what they can tell me. If some of the agave is being cut before coming to the US, the companies here distributing it would be neglegent if they didn't test their product to be sure it was pure agave.  It is being talked about more in the media as a good sugar alternative so something needs to be checked very fast before we have another situation like the one with trans fats - where people were told to eat "low fat" foods that contained trans fats only to find out now that it made people's health worse.
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I am not up to testing any more agave for awhile.  I had some on my oatmeal about 3 weeks ago with no problems.   About 3 weeks before that, I made some marshmallow pudding with whipped gelatin.  I used agave to sweeten that with no problems I was aware of.  I think I'll wait awhile before trying again.

Off topic:  I'm making a clone recipe of T.G.I. Friday's Dragonfire Chicken for dinner tonight.  I'm using apple cider vinegar instead of rice vinegar.  I'm also using a miniscule amount of jalapeno as compared to the recipe, and wheat free tamari instead of soy sauce.  I'm also using fresh pineapple instead of canned in the Pineapple Pico de Gallo.  I am also not using any mandarin oranges.   I'll probably use red pepper flakes instead of red chili.  The recipe is posted at topsecretrecipes.com  and is free through tonight only.


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Lola, just wanted to comment that we always read the labels. I think the problem here is that if the person on the raw foods site is correct, agave coming from other countries can be cut with the high fructose corn syrup and maybe not revealed on their labels. There was a bulk foods container at Wild Oats (soon to be purchased by Whole Foods) that had the same brand label as the one that we had purchased a week ago. It said "product of Mexico" but didn't break down any information as to the contents. It did say it was distributed by a company here in Colorado but now I wonder if they are merely the ones who take the bulk product and package it into bottles and not the ones who gather and prepare the product. I am going to try to call them on Monday to get more information and will post what I find here.

I was very excited to find that agave is such a good product but very discouraged when I came across the information about corn syrup the other day. I found that site when doing an internet search because we wanted to buy larger quantities of agave online.
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I agree with you.
let us know what this company tells you, on behalf of adding fructose corn syrup from its source.

I wouldn t be one bit surprised, for Mexicans add HFCS to anything they can get their hands on!! lol

the question here is how on earth do they get away with it, without stating it during the export transaction.

baked sweet potato is sold here on the street, and people love to drizzle carnation and corn syrup on them!!!! how crazy is that???!!
frustrating to say the least!


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I guess the reason I made the reference to Mexico is that the label said that, and probably most of the agave currently is from there.

Lola you mentioned corn syrup and carnation. Does that mean they use evaportated milk or condensed milk on the potatoes? that certainly would add a lot to the sugar content. If I am understanding correctly, corn syrup comes directly from the corn plant and high fructose corn syrup is more of a synthetic process. I did read last year that it is very hard for humans to digest and can't even be processed by the upper GI tract. So that would explain why it has had such a bad effect on all of us.

To think that so much of our food had this in it, along with trans fats. It is no wonder so many people are walking around with major health issues. Very sad.

I will certainly let all of you know what I find. It could very well be that the companies here that are distributing it do not even know that it is being cut. Probably not many have labs that would test the products for purity or content. I did see in an earlier post here that the nutrition bars sold on this site have agave so hope that someone is checking this out!
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it sure is a lot of sugar!!

yeah, mexicans like it sweet!! lol


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Hi Everyone.

Thank you, Rodney, for pointing out that the brand of agave that is 100% agave is
"Volcanic Nectar". I had been buying and eating the Madhava and and Wholesome Foods agave.
What a bummer to find that they are cut with other sugar syrups. Live and learn. So I was all prepared to buy the Volcanic Agave with their free shipping offer but their website wasn't working properly to do that last night.  In the meantime I read........

Thank you, Colojd, for the website that speaks to the processing of all agave and that it is mostly fructose and that in concentrated quantities destroys your liver! More knowledge.... more grief.  The Volcanic Agave website states that this "...complex form of fructose called inulin or fructosan..." is good for you.  Who and what to believe. Oh, my.

Any thoughts on this out there. Appreciate any imput on this issue.

As an 0-nonnie there is little left for me to use to sweeten anything.
Oh, but there is: Molasses.  But not the 3rd boiling of the sugar cane...no..toooo bitter...the 1st boiling..maybe try that.  Has anyone tried that one?

Can you tell who has a sweet tooth?

Cordially,
Margaret



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Hi Margaret:
I have not yet heard back regarding the Madhava nectar. This was the brand we had purchased so I am very anxious to know more. Yes, it is disappointing because the last thing most of us do who come to the BTD is to go backwards in our nutrition.

It is entirely possible that some of the distributors here in the US don't even know the content, just assume it is pure and just bottle and send it along the way.

I don't know much about the volcanic agave, so not sure if it is the better form or not.

We all certainly need to have the pure form of agave available to us. I will let you know if and when I get a response.
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Hi Colojd,

Thank you for your timely reply. If anything of interest in the Agave field shows up on this end I'll post it too.

Cordially,
Margaret


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Hi everyone:

Here is the reply I got from Craig, at the customer service center for Madhavahoney.com. They now sell agave and this is the brand that we recently purchased:

"Hello,
Thank you for your inquiry, I appreciate your interest our agave nectar. I can assure you our organic agave nectar products are 100% pure, from agave with no additives of any kind. The organic review process and Quality Cert of Analysis, which are provided with each batch, ensure the purity of our agave.
I hope you enjoy it  and please let me know if I can be of service.
Best regards,
Craig Gerbore" (www.agavehoney.com)

I hope that this is accurate. Sure wish someone with connections to a food chemist could test out a couple of brands for us.

Until then, I plan to continue to use their product, sparingly, and trust that it is the pure form. I have not heard from Whole Foods Market yet, though.
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thanks for the info!


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Hi everyone:

Here is the reply I got from Craig, at the customer service center for Madhavahoney.com. They now sell agave and this is the brand that we recently purchased:

"Hello,
Thank you for your inquiry, I appreciate your interest our agave nectar. I can assure you our organic agave nectar products are 100% pure, from agave with no additives of any kind. The organic review process and Quality Cert of Analysis, which are provided with each batch, ensure the purity of our agave.
I hope you enjoy it  and please let me know if I can be of service.
Best regards,
Craig Gerbore" (www.agavehoney.com)

I hope that this is accurate. Sure wish someone with connections to a food chemist could test out a couple of brands for us.

Until then, I plan to continue to use their product, sparingly, and trust that it is the pure form. I have not heard from Whole Foods Market yet, though.
Joyce



I feel a little better ... I also use Madhava brand!!  I was beginning to panic until I got to this post!  


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I didn't want to make anyone panic, for sure, but right after I started this thread, then I read about some brands possibly being "cut" with the high fructose corn syrup. Then I began to get worried, too! It could be that this person made these statements without evidence or for some other negative reason. So I felt the least that I could do was to check with the brand we bought last to get their comments.

I felt better after I read his comments because we were planning to start substituting it as our preferred sweetener and plan to use it wisely.
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In first paragraph - I meant the person who made the statement about the agave being cut, and not the person from Madhava commenting about their product. Wanted to clarify that a bit!
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I prefer agave, too.  The vegetable glycerine and the molasses have a funny taste that I don't much care for.
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I don't mind molasses, but it is a strong, heavy flavor and I just don't use it that often. I do use it when I make gingerbread cookies at Christmas but not much at other times.
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I don't mind molasses, but it is a strong, heavy flavor and I just don't use it that often. I do use it when I make gingerbread cookies at Christmas but not much at other times.


Perhaps u can try to add molasses to a bowl of cooked oatmeal, apple and dried raisins; it really gives it pizzaz  


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I LOVE molasses, tho I don't use it much because of my hypoglycemia.  I do know when using it to bake, you really have to back off w/ it or it will just totally overpower everything else.  



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Thank you, Rodney, for pointing out that the brand of agave that is 100% agave is "Volcanic Nectar". I had been buying and eating the Madhava and and Wholesome Foods agave.  What a bummer to find that they are cut with other sugar syrups.

Are you going by what was said in this thread or are you reading the ingredients labels of the Madhava and the Wholesome Foods agave?  If the label says it is 100% agave nectar, then it does not contain corn syrup.  FYI, the brand of agave nectar that I buy is 100% pure, organic agave nectar.  It is called Sweet Cactus Farms and is certified organic.  The ingredients are listed as "Ingredients:  Organic agave nectar".  Their website is http://www.sweetcactusfarms.com.





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I have Madhava too..........bottle says it's 100% agave nectar.
I too would be surprised if WF knowingly carried agave cut w/ HFCS.



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Hello,

Thank you Peppermint Twist for the heads-up. Yes, I did check labels and yes, they do say 100% Agave Necter.

Then I checked out the Volcanic Necter website and in that website they said that they were the ONLY one of the three agave nectar producers that sell agave nectar that is not cut with other sugars. They also claim that they are the only agave producer who has recently been given the U.S. Glycemic Research Institute Seal gauranteeing it is Low Glycemic.
Valcanic Nectar has a glycemic Index of 27.

If you google "Volcanic Nectar" you will get their website and FAQ and a lot of info. It looks like they bottle their agave under the name "Blue Agave Nectar" also.

What do you think?

Cordially,
Margaret


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I just emailed Madhava re: this issue. If it turns out it IS cut, I'm going to give them a big piece of my mind, tho I really should keep it all for ME.  
I'm trying to call but all I get is a busy signal.  



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Italybound, please do let us know what you hear. Now I am very concerned. There seems to be conflicting information.

Since the nutrition bars sold through this site have agave, can someone please in this department have a lab check on some of the brands for us, please? Now it seems lots of conflicting information. I am worried some people who have blood sugar management issues might be using a product that has HFCS in it and that would be very bad for their health.

Hope anyone who hears something will please post here and let us know. I agree that Whole Foods would not knowingly sell agave that is cut, but I have not heard from them so possibly they are checking it out.
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as all products available, we need to check the ingredients and or ask the manufacturer directly.

the agave nectar used by NAP is certainly not cut!


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