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Lola
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shape,

I need to weigh in on this.

First of all, I agree enormously with the folks who have stressed the importance of secretor status.  I think it's at the heart of what you're suffering through.

Now, as far as your thinking that you can't determine your secretor status without great expense and all that, let me offer you an ingenious way to perhaps get it done:

One of the major uses for secretor status is in criminology... in forensic science.  Forensic scientists are able to blood type certain types of unknown criminals -- such as rapists -- by detecting the blood type antigen present in their semen.  However, it is also present in all manner of body fluids, particularly saliva.

With this in mind, why don't you try calling around to the criminology departments in Israel?  Surely they have forensics divisions in Tel Aviv or whereever, in either their police precincts or their universities, where someone could just have you drool in a dish or whatever, and just introduce the natural clumping agent (I can't remember what it is, but I do seem to recall that it comes from an ordinary plant) to the saliva, to see if it reacts with any present blood type antigen.

This is my understanding of how secretor status is performed.  I think you should be able to do this and, perhaps, just offer to pay them something for their troubles.  But it's really important to know, and I think it would be a fun little adventure for you, finding out who could do it for you.

Food for thought.
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Thanks so much for the links, Lola.

I do have a question though.  In the Fatigue Fighting Protocol listed in the link, the supplements differ from what I have in my BTD encyclopedia.  Is the link protocol more up-to-date and the one that should be followed?


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yes the online protocols are more up to date, since most supplements are Dr Ds from NAP, and you do not have to go out of your way, finding the sups listed.

on the use of the protocols
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000182.htm


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Lola - Thanks for providing that link - it was helpful for me too.
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Quoted from lola
yes the online protocols are more up to date, since most supplements are Dr Ds from NAP, and you do not have to go out of your way, finding the sups listed.

on the use of the protocols
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000182.htm


Excellent!  Thanks so much Lola.

Shape5 - I wish you the best!



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On page 1 Debra said: " That would be the lost 'bloody family.' "

Hey, remember back months and months ago when we had The Bloody Family Saga?  Somebody should continue that!  It was a riot!

I had the same problem others are having....When I began the BTD I felt amazing for about 2 or 3 weeks then my energy started plummeting again.  Now it's leveled out, but it's never been what it was when I first started.  Was my body just so happy to be rid of those avoids that it went overkill on the energy?  Since getting my secreter status tested, I've been even more careful about even the little avoids like xanthan gum that sneak in here and there.  I've cut out soy cheese again since none of them are completely safe.  But I still can't get that energy back (unless, of course, I drink coffee).  Although....I have it for a day here and there, which is better than in the past.


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I can only speak for me, but my body is removing junk from all the years of eating garbage.  the body stored this in fat, joints and in lyphomas, or hard fatty cysts just under the skin.  When the toxicity levels in the blood are higher, I feel worse.

How I manage it - I attempt to eat 100% compliant, usually successful.  Also eating and supplementing for better digestion, elimination, and gall bladder/liver support, since those are weak spots for me.  Exercise is the hardest because if I don't get enough I hurt more and if I get too much, I hurt more...  Special events come up where there is lots of exercise involved, so there is more waste in the bloodstream - makes me feel worse.  Need to get more rest too allow the elimination to catch up.  Unfortunately, I tend to get too sedentary other times...

The great human balancing act!!!


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Ribbit,
Could you have adrenal fatigue?  If so, you will need to make other changes besides eating compliantly.



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My oriental medical doctor told me that people whose mothers had adrenal fatigue at some point automatically have adrenal fatigue to some degree, from the pregnancy.  She does NAET on me and we decided to boost my adrenals today and she also gave me some herbs to take.  I already feel better somehow, so I would really recommend that anyone with those symptoms see some kind of nutritionist or herbalist about some herbs.  The herbs that she gave me are called Rosavin and the ingredients are: Siberian Rhodiola rosea to contain Rosavin, Rosin, Rosarin, and Salidroside.  Anyway, just my 2 cents.  
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I do believe I have adrenal fatigue, as does my mother.  I think she always has.  I read Dr. Lam's article a long time ago and decided that's what I had, to a T.  I'd been diagnosed with chronic fatigue/fibromyalgia in my early 20's and all the FMS pains are gone now thanks to the BTD, but I still think I have some of that ole chronic fatigue.  One thing that's tipped me off is how absolutely amazing I feel when I've had a cup of coffee.  I feel normal.  I can deal with the stresses of raising young children.  I feel happy when I've had coffee.  I'm now drinking decaf, which has just enough caffeine to still make me feel a tiny bit better, but evidently doesn't affect the baby.  I'm doing the 1 lemon/1 tsp. sea salt/1 c. water in the mornings and I like the results.  I don't have elimination results, but I do think I'm seeing a little bit of energy results.  Thanks for the herb suggestions, Lyrica.  Is Rosavin in capsule form, or a tea blend, or what?


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Quoted from Lyrica
The herbs that she gave me are called Rosavin and the ingredients are: Siberian Rhodiola rosea to contain Rosavin, Rosin, Rosarin, and Salidroside.  Anyway, just my 2 cents.  

That is what Dr. D recommends for type O.
CATECHOL: Rhodiola Formula
You can get Catechol from NAP.

As a type A you might try Cortiguard from NAP.


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A little update:

The day I posted the original post, my acupuncturist performed some fire cupping and Gua Sha. My energy levels plummeted before that, and continued until that evening. The next day, I was exhausted, but not fatigued, and continued taking things easy (like ditching class to have coffee with a friend). After that, I just felt totally revived.

I still can't believe it took me 3 months to actually call her once I had the number (and about 4 years to ask for the number)

Also, I've cut down a little on dried fruit and fruit juices, since they seemed to clean out my system a little too well.


And a not completely related issue, but recently, when going out with friends, some of them consult me before ordering. At least the A's do, anyway.
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the dried fruit and juices are also high in natural sugar, not tolerated by many, including me!

glad you cut down!


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Shape5.  Congrats!  Isn't it really  neat to give advice about food?  I have a few A friends who are interested enough to give it a try (most are still so stuck in the Atkins-mentality that they can't imagine anything "healthy" but an O diet), and will consult me as well.  It's fun!


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Also, I've cut down a little on dried fruit and fruit juices, since they seemed to clean out my system a little too well.


I believe sticking to whole fruit--in particular the 'A' beneficial fruits will not pose problems.  Limit neutral fruit choices.

Fruit juices and dried fruits are problematic for some people for a variety of reasons.  You will obtain valuable nutrients, fiber, and vitamins from beneficial fruits such as pineapple, blueberries, plums, grapefruit, et al.

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Quoted from ironwood55

That is what Dr. D recommends for type O.
CATECHOL: Rhodiola Formula
You can get Catechol from NAP.

As a type A you might try Cortiguard from NAP.



Okay, thanks!  I will definitely look into that.
The Rosavin are just in capsules.  I just got a free sample, so I haven't bought anything yet.  I think I am going to start a new thread now.
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I believe sticking to whole fruit--in particular the 'A' beneficial fruits will not pose problems.  Limit neutral fruit choices.

Fruit juices and dried fruits are problematic for some people for a variety of reasons.  You will obtain valuable nutrients, fiber, and vitamins from beneficial fruits such as pineapple, blueberries, plums, grapefruit, et al.

Alia


I totally agree with this. However, with pineapples at a whopping $8 per pineapple, and blueberries and plums out of season here (blueberries are ridiculously expensive when in season here too), I'm having problems. The only affordable, in season beneficial fruit available is grapefruit, which I don't really like. I still eat it, but that's definitely not enough, IMO. So I have dried pineapple (organic, sugarfree, yummy kind), prunes, dried apricots, pineapple juice and apple-cherry juice.
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Quoted from veggiegirl
If you have recently discontinued taking the birth control pills, your body will most likely go through an adjustment period as your hormones adjust to not having the pill.


Have you considered maca for balancing things out?  

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I must say that my sinus problems (pain) have really cleared up since I'm off dairy.


Even tho I'm an O, ALL of my sinus issue disappeared within a week when getting off dairy. Now if I ever wanted (and I can't imagine WHEN that would be ), I could make myself sick in about 4 or 5 days, simply by consuming dairy especially milk  

Quoted from Mitchie
As a fellow "A" girl, I can tell you based on my personal experience if I eat ANY wheat product (including those that are "allowed") I can pretty much count on feeling lethargic and rather depressed for the remainder of the day.  


Same for me, so that could perhaps be a real prob for most blood types. Given that it is genetically modified, it wouldn't surprise me.  

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I just realized that my doctor put me on Adrenotone or something like that and L-Tyrosene a while back.    I think this Adrenal Fatigue is right on.  But, how does it all fit in?  If I have adrenal fatigue, is that why I have hypoglycemic symptoms?  And do you think it would be good to stop the enzymes..


The Adrenotone doesnt look like a bad product, http://catalog.designsforhealth.com/s.nl/it.A/id.484/.f , but IMHO, the Adrenal Assist that Drea 'turned us on to'   is a better product for adrenal issues. Scroll to bottom of page: http://www.vitanica.com/supplements_01.htm
Yes, the hypoglycemia is a symptom of adrenal fatigue..........and it is amazing to me that doctors either dont know this or dont address it!  
Personally, if you're having trouble digesting protein, I'd stay on the enzymes. My protein levels were high in my last blood work and my NP put me on betaine hydrochloride.  Either way, it will help w/ digestion.  

Quoted from Mitchie
I drink the juice of one lemon mixed with about 10 ounces of water every morning and I can't tell you how wonderful it makes me feel.  It gives me a "clean, ready to take on the world" feeling.
Italybound, I noticed you suggested salt with the lemon water.  Would you please let us know what amount you suggest?


I use 1/2 teaspoon sea salt and juice of 1/2 lemon. I prob should up my salt as it helps w/ adrenal issues. There is a  little info on that at Dr. Lam's site.  
This 1/2 teaspoon salt is for your morning 'drink' and you will taste it. If you are going to drink salt in your water the rest of the day, which I personally dont but everyone is different, then I would only use a pinch.

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Shape5 - Re your enzymes you had mentioned-  I've been taking 500mg of bromelain with meals and that has been working wonderfully for me.  I tried two or three other enzymes that had combination ingredients but they all made me feel "draggy".


I believe I remember Cocky or Heidi suggesting a dif enzyme to me once. So there could be dif enzymes that are better for dif B/T, as is w/ the probiotics.

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And a not completely related issue, but recently, when going out with friends, some of them consult me before ordering. At least the A's do, anyway.


So cool, eh?  

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I believe sticking to whole fruit--in particular the 'A' beneficial fruits will not pose problems. Fruit juices and dried fruits are problematic for some people for a variety of reasons.  You will obtain valuable nutrients, fiber, and vitamins from beneficial fruits such as pineapple, blueberries, plums, grapefruit, et al.


Whole fruit is far superior to juice if you have sugar problems. The fiber slows down the absorption rate of the sugars. Also, I just learned the other day from my NP, that fiber also binds to excessive hormones and gets rid of them.       Be aware that if you have any kind of candida issues, fruit of any kind or fruit juices may cause further issues.  



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