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shape5
Tuesday, March 20, 2007, 8:30pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hello!

I've been on BTD for around 3 weeks. At first, even with all the withdrawal I felt great. All these medical issues seemed to almost disappear, and I lost a lot of weight in a very short amount of time. I felt more energetic and focused than I can remember.

Now, I don't know. I've had a few really low-energy days, some of my IBS seems to have come back, and I just don't even feel like going out at all. Oddly, though, I really haven't been tempted to stray so far.

In addition, I'm doing BTD along with acupuncture to try and deal both with my IBS and with PCOS (which is a fertility issue), so I stopped taking birth control pills, since it seemed silly to keep taking them while trying to revers their affects. Except that now all the PCO symptoms have come back, the zits, the hairiness, weight gain...

Anyway, so I guess my point is this:
1. I could use a pick me up.
2. Fellow As, any suggestions for energizing, pick-me up type of foods? Not in the sense of depression eating, but in the sense of something that will give me an energy boost. Also, some good, compliant source of vitamin C.

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how often do you exercise, or follow the lifestyle guidelines for your type?


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Yes Lola that's what I was thinking also.
following the diet has many folds: food, mental and physical all need to be worked into one's lifestyle.
I am now doing yoga everyday and feel a great benefit from doing this.  
hang in there and it will turn back around maybe some gentle changes will help you.
have you had a stress test for adrenals done?  
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I'd go for the intake of  B-vits as a complex, Vit. C from the acerolacherry, or just Vit. C as ascorbic acid in powderform, and then my dear....L'Arginine 500mg's 3 or 4 times a day ,zink minim.15 mg's daily......hope that's working for you, and then you might have an eye into the encyclppedia of Peter
and look for the nervehealthprotocol and metabolismebooster
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Hey Shape5...as said above...hang in there.  Keeping with the diet will help you...when you stray it leads to more straying.  I know...easier said than done.  The yoga, tai chi and meditation will help you greatly.  Even getting out for a walk.  Maybe you could find an O running around, a B out for a hike or an AB saying "Hey...this is cool man".  That would be the lost 'bloody family.'  

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Welcome to the forum, shape5.

If you have a copy of LR, I would suggest you include more tier two foods into your meals, or at least try to strive eating as many beneficial foods as possible.

Tier two foods are meant to assist with overcoming an illness, health challenge; to assist with fatigue; to assist with stress; and to assist with weight loss efforts.

Calming, centering exercises and practices such as tai chi, yoga, alternate nostril breathing, light aerobics will also assist you to keep your cortisol levels controlled.

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Quoted from shape5

So I stopped taking birth control pills, since it seemed silly to keep taking them while trying to revers their affects. Except that now all the PCO symptoms have come back, the zits, the hairiness, weight gain...


Hello Shape5 & Welcome!

First, you made an excellent decision in giving BTD a try.  I would encourage you to stick with it ... some people find that it takes their body a while to adjust to this new lifestyle.  Give it time.

If you have recently discontinued taking the birth control pills, your body will most likely go through an adjustment period as your hormones adjust to not having the pill.  Once you're back in balance you may see a positive change.  I would also recommend following the diet at a high compliance level, exercise & stress-reduction techniques that the others have mentioned above.

Good luck!  



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(didn't notice anyone mention this - sorry if I'm repeating)

IBS - Irritable Bowel Syndrom?
Have you done the test to see if you are a Secretor or nonSecretor. It makes a dif in the food list - esp for  us A types. Grains are more restricted; no corn, very sm amt of spelt or sprouted wheat, no gluten. I mention the grain issue bc very often it is involved in IBS problems. Also very little Dairy. I must say that my sinus problems (pain) have really cleared up since I'm off dairy.



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I so agree with purlgirl.  When you are dealing with a health issue of this severity, finding out your secretor status is the most thing you can do to improve your health challenge.

For Type A's over 25+ foods change value from allowed to avoid.

Get tested.


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.
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Thank you all.

Veggiegirl, you are very right, and I later realized that my low spirits are probably also due to raging hormones.

Just about everyone else: I don't have any books yet, and am only doing the food diet at this point. I will have the ER, LR and the A booklet in about a week. I have also decided not to get too much into other aspects at this point, because the change to my routine has been immense, and with school and work taking up a lot of time, I just don't have the extra energy. You know, As should drop one activity before adding another... (that was a sort of joke, I guess).

And finally, as far as I know, secretor status is hard to determine in Israel. By hard, I mean expensive and takes a long time, since no lab does the test and it needs to be sent abroad.

Also, for the record, I have been completely compliant in the "no avoids" aspect of things, and really am not tempted at all to stray. I am overall feeling better, eating better, and saving money on bought food in university.

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Hi Shape5,

I absolutely agree with your raging hormones theory.  Having just finished up an 8 year menopause-from-hell I can see why you are not feeling well.  

As a fellow "A" girl, I can tell you based on my personal experience if I eat ANY wheat product (including those that are "allowed") I can pretty much count on feeling lethargic and rather depressed for the remainder of the day.  Are the hormones and wheat related?  Probably not but it is knowledge I can use to keep depression at bay.

Just an observation from my viewpoint, not trying to say that would be either beneficial or bad when applied to your situation.

Out-of-whack hormones can be a real butt-kicker!  Just being aware of the source can give you a more optimistic outlook.  Good luck to you!


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Mitchie, I noticed that myself. I have not had a bite of wheat (knowingly) since I started. Also, hormones levels are closely related to sugar and insulin levels, so there has to be a connection. Specifically, PCOS is an insulin disorder which manifests itself hormonally (or the other way around ).

the little sore in my mouth seems to suggest that it might be, like my acupuncturist suggested, related to vitamin C. I can't seem to easily find a supplement that isn't at least partially based on oranges, which I am totally not touching since some (really stupid) heavy lifting left me with really sore muscles.

I guess I'll stick to half a grapefruit a day for now, and go to the health food store when I can manage it.
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I have not had a bite of wheat (knowingly) since I started.


Are you checking ingredient labels for "hidden" avoids such as wheat gluten?  Just a suggestion.  


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For blood type A's, eliminating dairy (cultured dairy is recommended if one is going to choose to consume dairy) from one's meals is one of the most important tools that one can implement to get rid of mucus and sinuses from their body.

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I have sort of had the same thing happen.  At first, I felt sooo great.  More energy, and I hardly felt hungry.  Now, fore some reason, my energy is really low and I just feel sort of yucky and bad.  I thought it might be not getting enough protein, so I just ate a bunch of peanuts, can't tell if it's helped yet.  Anyway, I'll be going to an (aparently) amazing nutritionist who is also A+, so hopefully that will help me get on the right supplements.  And I have also ordered the secretor test, so knowing that will really help.  And maybe I misunderstood the list...is yogurt okay for As?  I have been eating it periodically because the list says it's okay.  The only kind of wheat I have been eating is sprouted wheat.  And those are the only possible avoids I've eaten...and I have just rambled on about myself, when this is a post about you, shape!  Anyway, at least we're in sort of the same boat.
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when in doubt about a food value, try typebase.

the two you mentioned are not avoids.


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Yogurt in moderation. If I eat too much (which isn't much) I get itchy ears, excess mucus production & irritated sinuses. And strangely, I crave it more.


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Might I suggest the lemon/salt water in the mornings?  The lemon will clear out the yuk and also if you have any adrenal issues, the salt will help w/ that. All this hormone and blood sugar talk smacks of adrenal issues, IMHO  

Symptoms of Adrenal Fatigue  ( I had 27 of the 29)          When looking at these think back throughout your whole life..............


   *  Tendency to gain weight and unable to loose it, especially around the waist.
   * High frequency of getting the flu and other respiratory diseases and these
      symptoms  tend to last longer than usual.
   * Tendency to tremble when under pressure.
   * Reduced sex drive.
   * Lightheaded when rising from a laying down position.
   * Unable to remember things.
   * Lack of energy in the mornings and also in the afternoon between 3 to 5 pm.
   * Feel  better suddenly for a brief period after a meal.
   * Often feel tired  betweeen 9 - 10 pm, but resist going to bed.
   * Need coffee or stimulants to get going in the morning.
   * Crave for salty, fatty, and high protein food such as  meat and cheese.
   * Increase symptoms of PMS for women; period are heavy and then stop, or    
      almost stopped on the 4th day, only to start flow again on the 5th or 6th day.
   * Pain in the upper back or neck with no apparent reasons .
   * Feels better when stress is relieved, such as on a vacation.
   * Difficulties  in getting up in the morning
   * Lightheaded
   * Mild depression
   * Food and or inhalant allergies
   * Lethargy and lack of energy
   * Increased effort to perform daily  tasks
   * Decreased ability to handle stress
   * Dry and thin skin
   * Hypoglycemia
   * Low Body Temperature
   * Nervousness
   * Palpitation
   * Unexplained hair loss
   * Alternating constipation and diarrhea
   * Dyspepsia  



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Yes, that sounds just about right.  I have about 15 of those symptoms.  I was at my oboe lesson one day and started trembling really badly and could hardly play.  I went to my NAET practitioner and she muscle tested me and said that my body was having trouble digesting protein and so the effect was basically hypoglycemia.  She put me on digestive enzymes, which seemed to help a lot.  I had so much more energy.  But then I started to get mild heartburn, which I've never had before.  And thank you about the yogurt.  I might be eating too much (every other day or so), but I haven't had any in a while, so that wouldn't explain the weirdness.  My mom has suggested I stop taking the enzymes for a little while to see if I feel better.  
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I just realized that my doctor put me on Adrenotone or something like that and L-Tyrosene a while back.  Would those have anything to do with this?  I think this Adrenal Fatigue is right on.  But, how does it all fit in?  If I have adrenal fatigue, is that why I have hypoglycemic symptoms?  And do you think it would be good to stop the enzymes.  Gosh, I just keep blabbing, hehe.  I guess I get excited when things start to get figured out.
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Shape5 -

I totally agree with Zola and her yogurt suggestion.  I've also cut out all cow dairy (including yogurt).  Since doing so I no longer have a plugged up nose in the morning nor are my ears "gunked" up.  I tried replacing cow milk with soy milk but that made me bloated and gassy.  I've since settled on rice milk and have been fine with it.  I've been using Rice Dream but wish I could find one that didn't have quite so many additives.  Any suggestions for a better brand?

Also, Italybound's lemon water/salt suggestion is great.  I drink the juice of one lemon mixed with about 10 ounces of water every morning and I can't tell you how wonderful it makes me feel.  It gives me a "clean, ready to take on the world" feeling.

Italybound, I noticed you suggested salt with the lemon water.  Would you please let us know what amount you suggest?

Thanks everyone!


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This is the recipe I got off of here from Henriette Bsec for homemade Rice Milk.  It is soooo easy to make, but does not last long so you have to use it up quite quickly.

1 cup freshly made rice-cooled

Put into a blender with enough water to make a liquid.

Add some sweetner. (optional) agave nectar/veggie glycerine

Add some oil (optional) walnut or almond...I have used flax and olive

Can be made with almonds and rice giving it a fuller taste.  

Strain and keep cold...very important...rice can give you a horrible infection...so be careful.

Enjoy.

As for the sea salt in the water...just a wee pinch.  You shouldn't be able to taste it.

Debra

P.S.  Last time I made the rice milk I cooked it with some quinoa and it made a really nice nutty flavour.  


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Thanks twice Debra+ for your rice milk recipe and salt advice.  I'll give both a shot.

Did I ever imagine myself making rice milk?  No, but life is just a series of surprises!

Shape5 - Re your enzymes you had mentioned-  I've been taking 500mg of bromelain with meals and that has been working wonderfully for me.  I tried two or three other enzymes that had combination ingredients but they all made me feel "draggy".

I also have a serving a fresh pineapple every day for good measure.  And also because it's just plain heavenly!


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Ooh, that adrenal fatigue sounds right on. Since quite a few of the symptoms coincide with PCOS, I'm going to hazard a guess that they are somehow related.

I do check ingredients religiously. I meant that I might have unknowingly had a bit of wheat when eating things that someone else made, i.e. eating out and eating at other people's houses. But even then, it would only be small amounts in a sauce or some such.

Also, I have not had cow dairy since I started, and since I thought I was lactose intolerant (but it might just be the A thing), the only cow milk I had before was lactose free milk in my coffee once a day, and maybe yogurt once a week.

I guess my conclusion for now is to read the supplement part carefully when I get my books (whee, only 3 more days!), and getting on that. Also, avoiding doing idiotic things like carrying a 40 pound computer screen on my own, since now that the muscle pain is almost entirely gone, I do feel much better.
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Shape5 - Please let us know how the adrenal research plays out.  I would be interested in anything that works for you.  I've searched the boards and didn't really find anything specifically addressing A's, adrenal fatigue and a protocol.

Maybe someone could enlighten us?


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