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colojd
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Like many people, I have this problem - I am a type B, walking more, try to do aerboic type activity in addition to walking, and try to eat as close to the BTD diet as possible but my problem is that it seems all of my extra weight is on my lower abs.

My husband and I were in a very stressful work situation which we both left at the end of 2006, fortunately. But during that time, I admit I was not eating or exercising as much as I could and the stress probably compounded my problem.

Would like to hear from others as to what they did to help budge the belly fat off - any suggestions and words of encouragement will help. I also began about 2 weeks ago eating as few of grains as possible. My 15 yr old son is also a B, and he is very intolerant of wheat so he always avoids that. I feel that I am probably likewise either gluten or intolerant of some grains. We just began buying the brown rice gluten free bread to use. Had been using sprouted grain bread and I often ate oatmeal for breakfast - now I wonder since the oatmeal has gluten if that was not doing much to help my waistline.

Anyway, I would appreciate any tips and suggestions on what you did, especially if you are a B, to maybe eliminate the abdominal fat. I would love to finally get back to my slimmer self this spring or summer!

Thanks,
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Like many people, I have this problem - I am a type B, walking more, try to do aerboic type activity in addition to walking, and try to eat as close to the BTD diet as possible but my problem is that it seems all of my extra weight is on my lower abs.

My husband and I were in a very stressful work situation which we both left at the end of 2006, fortunately. But during that time, I admit I was not eating or exercising as much as I could and the stress probably compounded my problem.

Would like to hear from others as to what they did to help budge the belly fat off - any suggestions and words of encouragement will help. I also began about 2 weeks ago eating as few of grains as possible. My 15 yr old son is also a B, and he is very intolerant of wheat so he always avoids that. I feel that I am probably likewise either gluten or intolerant of some grains. We just began buying the brown rice gluten free bread to use. Had been using sprouted grain bread and I often ate oatmeal for breakfast - now I wonder since the oatmeal has gluten if that was not doing much to help my waistline.

Anyway, I would appreciate any tips and suggestions on what you did, especially if you are a B, to maybe eliminate the abdominal fat. I would love to finally get back to my slimmer self this spring or summer!

Thanks,
Joyce


Get your secretor status tested.  This, imho is key to solving your belly fat issue once and for all.



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Can you explain a little more about what you mean by this?
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While I do agree that getting one's secretor status tested so that we may be even more adherent to the diet that is best for our bodies is a good idea, I disagree that this will solve belly fat issue once and for all.

I have a similar problem, and I've been eating (for the most part) a very beneficial diet for the past four  or five months, and the belly fat is still there . All I'm saying is there is more to the story than just getting our secretor status tested - but that is definitely a good start.


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Drea, I agree with you. I do follow the diet and I still have this problem. I was curious as to what the KimonoKat meant when stating that you have to know your secretor status. If there was something I was missing, I wanted to know. Drea, do you know what your secretor status is?

I know my problem started some years back when my metabolism really got off whack. This was long before I knew about the BTD. All of the sudden, I gained some weight and my periods were really off. My doctor kept telling me "I don't know" when I tried to find out what he thought was going wrong. He just suggested weight watchers and that was about it. It took years of me being persistent and he finally gave me natural progresterone and the periods evened out. But I still was left with weight problems and my blood pressure was creeping up. I did some internet searching recently and saw that metabolic syndrome, which can begin with stress, can cause all of these problems. I am sure that was what I had been dealing with, but now how to fix it and make that fix permanent? As I said, it seems most of the excess weight is right on the lower abs.

Last time I saw my doctor, she wanted to give me some sort of diet pills. I told her no thanks, that I would just work on eating better and more exercise. If knowing the secretor status will truly get me in the right direction, I certainly will give that a try. But I think at this point I need to really get on the right track.
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By the way Drea, I am also in Colorado. We lived for almost 20 years in the Vail area, and now live in Wheat Ridge, a suburb of Denver. So we also have been at the higher elevations for a few years as well!
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I lived for one month in Lakewood, before I moved up here. I like it up here much better!


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Can you explain a little more about what you mean by this?


How compliant are you to the diet?  Do you avoid avoids completely, or do you eat some type of avoid once a week, once every two weeks?  Then again, how can you really know what avoids you are eating if you don't know your secretor status? Foods change value from secretor to non-secretor, and the frequency of certain food groups change from secretor to non-secretor.

Are you Rh-? Do you have any other sub types?  These sub types will affect your ability to use the tier system in LR, and in some cases, will influence a food's rating.

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Type B non-secretors should be wary of eating too much cheese.  They are more immunologically sensitive to many of the microbial strains in many aged cheeses.

MM subtype:  Decrease milk, cheese, and yogurt by 2 servings weekly.
MM subtype: (In the vegetable category=)  Try to use mostly Tier One Beneficials.

Rh- Decrease grains & starches by one serving weekly.

 

Your secretor status impacts what you can have in the dairy category significantly.

And, how compliant are you to portion sizes and frequency guidelines?  And, are there any other underlying health issues that might be impeding your goal?  Could you possibly be insulin resistant? Do you eat most of your meals early in the day or do you eat late at night?

And, how compliant are you to the exercise and stress reduction recommendation guidelines?

This is why I say you need to get your secretor status tested.


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Drea, I agree with you. I do follow the diet and I still have this problem. I was curious as to what the KimonoKat meant when stating that you have to know your secretor status. If there was something I was missing, I wanted to know. Drea, do you know what your secretor status is?


I am a secretor as is noted on my BTD shield. I follow the exercise, meditation, althernate nostril breathing recommendations, and have just recently been following the frequency guidelines more rigidly. I'm hoping between the fg will up me to the next level.

I agree that one cannot follow the BTD compliantly without knowing their secretor status, because in the case of As, there is a huge difference between what A secretors can eat and what A non-secretors can eat. I recommend that test highly.


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Thanks, I can see that I probably should first begin with getting the secretor test done.

To answer your questions, I am about 75% compliant on the diet. I have a type B son in the household and my husband is an O. I am sure that I am probably eating some avoids each week, but reading posts from other people, they likewise say it is very difficult to be 100% compliant. We eat out maybe once a week, otherwise prepare and eat our meals at home.

As far as stress reduction, the stress we were under subsided once we had left the company we were working for. It was owned by my husband's brother - he had his main operation in another state and opened a company hoping it would be a "cash cow" for him. He asked us to join the company to help it through some difficult times.  That was a mistake for us since the company was far worse off than we had imagined but we tried to hold in there and reverse things. So long story short, the owner decided to close the company by the end of 2006. We are still dealing with some unpleasant things, but overall are out of the main pressure.

I always have an annual physical, and last time (October 2006) it showed my blood sugar and lipids were somewhat elevated but not in the danger zone. But this was also right before we had left the company and my eating habits were compromised and exercise was regular but probably not enough to mitigate the stress.

I eat a fairly light breakfast, moderate lunch and dinner. We have been taking a 40 - 45 min walk before dinner each night now, because the weather has been great. Otherwise, I have a library of aerobic tapes so use those for exercise. Would like to get back into yoga as well.

I have read a lot of people posting that grains should be very limited or avoided. Since my type B son really has a hard time with wheat, we do not use this - have been using spelt but now wonder if that is a good idea, either. I bought some gluten free bread and he and I have been using that for about 3 weeks now.

Thanks for your input.
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If losing the belly fat is your goal, then you may have to look at those avoids differently.  What I believe will help you achieve your goal, is to strive for a higher level of compliance.  

Best of luck to you on your journey.  Please let us know how you are doing, and let us help you when you are struggling.  We are all here to help each other succeed on this new way of living and eating.


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Eat as compliant as possible, focusing on benefical foods.

Incororporaing cardio work, strength training, and streytching are important to one's overall exercise regim,e.

Controlling stress and not obsessing about weight/fat will assist, these factors raise cortisol levels which encourages burning muscle rather than fat.

Alia  


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Thanks to both of you. I can see that I should get the secretor test done and then this may point me in a different direction. I have followed the diet pretty closely but as pointed out, since I was assuming I was a secretor I might be a non and this could change things a lot.

I think people can work fairly well with the general concepts of the diet as long as you don't have some issues that need more work. People who have major health problems or situations like I have just have to try stepping to a different level.

Luckily I like most of the way the Type B diet works. One thing I don't like is that most of the beneficial meats are pretty exotic and can be costly if used on a regular basis. But otherwise I am sure I can manage using it without much problem.

I did want to ask about grains - do you feel better if you don't eat most grains?
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I think everyone is different when it comes to grains. I've been minimizing them because of my want to lose this body fat, but others say they do fine with the recommended servings of beneficial grains. I'm not convinced that giving them up is helping me, though.


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I agree that it is this kind of somewhat conflicting information that makes this diet a little hard to manage. I mentioned grains because we did find that the source of my son's intestinal problems was consumption of wheat. So we eat virtually no wheat in our household. I have not been tested, nor has my son, but I also had a hunch that some of the gluten bearing grains might be equally as bad. So we recently started using a gluten free bread. It is probably too early yet to observe a big change.

I will definitely keep in touch with this forum and do appreciate the sincere comments and suggestions. The bottom line is that the modern diet has become so problematic - too much salt, sugar, trans fats, etc - that it is a true challenge to even grocery shop these days.

There is a local holistic doctor who does a nutrional spot for one of our TV stations. He states "wellness is a choice, take charge of your health". I think are such wise words, really says it all as to the right attitude.
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Hi colojd,
It's good to see you, and thanks for posting!  I agree that getting your secretor status tested can make a world of difference in how much success a person has on the BTD diet.  If you are a non-secretor, you may find that you need more protein and less starches than a secretor.  Also nonnies don't do as well with avoids.  There are also other factors, such as age/hormone changes, genetic body type predisposition, stress, exercise or lack of it, quantity of food eaten and carbohydrate load.

I am not a person who eats avoids.  I would say that I am 99.9% compliant, and that's what it takes for me to stay very healthy and keep my weight at a normal level.  I also eat very little grain products.  All they do for me is increase my weight, pack on body fat, imbalance my cholesterol and insulin levels and mess with my digestion.  I have a rice cake every evening and plenty of carb-rich vegetables, but I don't eat bread, pasta or cereal.

I recommend eating more protein for breakfast and if you are going to eat grains, try eating them with your evening meal instead of in the morning.  Get in lots of vegetables.

In addition to walking and bouncing on my Rebounder, I also do some hatha yoga, and some abdominal crunches, which you can read about on Rodney's thread called "Yoga-exercise questions for a beginner", posts #12-#16.  I try and do some specific exercises for my abs everyday so that they stay toned, and that helps to hold the belly in.  I don't do an enormous amount of exercise, nor do I walk for long distances, so that's why I try and stay consistent.  That works for me.  



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I agree that it is this kind of somewhat conflicting information that makes this diet a little hard to manage.


Because we are all individuals, it can be hard to find that place where things work best for us, individually. I'm close, I know I am. In the beginning of my time on the BTD, I was able to lose (and keep off for over 4 years) 35 lbs, so I know it's possible. I just let myself get too complacent with the avoids over the last year. That, and the amount of stress I allowed myself to be under. Also, I didn't keep a journal of what worked back then, unfortunately.

I, and many people I would dare say, would like "the answer", but unfortunately what works for one A secretor, doesn't work for every A secretor. Drats!

I have a problem with most grains in that I can't seem to just have one portion, which is why I'm trying to minimize them in general. I've been known to eat half a loaf of beneficial rye bread in one day, given the chance. Not good.


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Hi Victoria. It is good to hear comments from another B.

I am looking forward to getting myself back into balance. I see you are a non secretor and now I am wondering if I am also. Even if I am not, I plan to focus on those beneficials as you said. I had been eating oatmeal for almost every breakfast, just because I heard it was good to manage your blood lipids but now I wonder if it did very little due to the gluten. My good cholesterol was in good shape, maybe because of that, but I am sure I could still have the same just with more protein.

I grew up on a farm in Kansas and never was overweight as a kid. We spent a lot of time playing outside, plus had a huge garden each summer and canned fruits and vegetables for the winter. All were organically grown. We also had cattle and they were all grass fed with some corn - we never fed them commerical fed with steriods. We had chickens so occasionally had chicken (yes, I know its an avoid for B's!) but basically had them for eggs. We were all really healthy as kids - the normal colds and flu and childhood diseases like chicken pox but none of us had chronic illnesses.

I was pretty healthy and maintained a regular weight but then I think as I entered perimenopause and my body was changing, all it took was some unusual stress at that time to probably tip me in the wrong direciton. I very much want to be healthy - being slimmer would also be a positive goal but now that I am in my 50's, I especially want to perserve what good health I have and gain back healthwise what I have lost.

I feel very encouraged by all of you and sincerely do appreciate your suggestions. Now I feel that I have a good start. I will be going out of town for a week starting on the 17th, so will probably do my secretor test once back in town.

Thanks!
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By the way, is there a way to sort the Typebase list by blood type and secretor status? If so, I would like to know. That would certainly help all of us. I have the original blood type diet book but this pretty much gave lists assuming that most people were secretors, I think and some of what is on the Typebase list isn't in the book. So downloading a list would be very nice, if that is possible.
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By the way, is there a way to sort the Typebase list by blood type and secretor status? If so, I would like to know. That would certainly help all of us. I have the original blood type diet book but this pretty much gave lists assuming that most people were secretors, I think and some of what is on the Typebase list isn't in the book. So downloading a list would be very nice, if that is possible.


Alas, no there is not.  Copyright infringement rules prevent this.  Most people compile their own lists for their specific needs.


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Thanks for your note on this. I will just do the same - compile my own lists. Too bad there is not an easier way. My problem is that sometimes the list loads very slow for me, or it begins loading and stops, other times I have no problem. But thanks for letting me know.
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I would ask among your fellow B's to see if they have compiled any lists that they might be willing to share with you.


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I would like to share a few helpful ideas on this subject.  I have been on the BTD  for about 6 months now. I have switched from all avoids to only heathly BTD foods, though the flour switch was difficult for me.  I do follow the diet on all food groups.  
When following the diet correctly you will find it easier, and you will not want or need to eat the nasty avoids...I totally lost the taste for them. I did notice that eating chicken put on several pounds in 2 days after consumption. So I said good bye to that avoid quickly.

On the exercise tips. I walk everyday on my treadmill. I started very slowly. I had asthma very badly. So Slowly was my only option 6  months ago. I now walk for 30 min. 2 times a day. I have lost 12 pounds, slowly also. Yes, that is only 2 pounds a month.  Still this is pounds loss forever, instead of the gaining on the bad foods out there.  I am a nonnie,  and  believe some of us B's may need to know our secretor status and follow Dr. D's supplemental program. Hope this helps.
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colojd, You really should buy the newer LR4YT book. It has both the secretor and non-secretor food lists. It also has blood type recommendations for dealing with stress and type B specific blood sugar/metabolism issues.


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I lost a certain amount of weight by being 70% or so compliant, but the last bit on the abdomen would come and go until I got more compliant...  Even though I haven't gotten the Secretor test, I avoid all avoids for both Secretor and Non - for my type...  I am also very cognizant of what I need to eat and stop when the body has had enough...  

Rest also plays a part...  It seems that I have some bloating, or bulky build-up on days afer I don't get adequate rest.  I know I am clearing toxins from the body, which requires more rest to do the healing that must accompany the detox...  I think much of the digestion and movement of the toxins is done while the body is resting.  If you exercise and move more garbage out of the muscles/joints/lymph glands, it may be stored temporarily in the gut fat until the body can move it out...  This seems to be the cycle of event for me anyway...

Hope some of this helps!


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